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Darcozzi had the undisputed best order talent in POE 1, imo (a +10 ACC buff to Liberating Exhortation that stacked with all ACC buffs) so Obsidian had to give them the worse order talent in POE 2? What comes around goes around I guess lol! Has anyone made anything good out of Fires of the Darcozzi Palace?

Very true, something to be said between dex and agi. And the movement limit on your armor really is range of motion. Gloves do mess with fine motor skills. Still I think at least Might/CON requirement for heavy armor should be a thing. Someone with a dumped 3 CON is going to get exhausted moving around in body armor after a minute or less sometimes lol Runs in armor were shorter due to the fact that they are trying to simulate how long you will be running in combat with armor. You are never going to run or jog for 3 miles straight in a firefight. So Ya definitely. We did run for miles with it on but it was just punishment for doing something stupid or bad performance. I know I ran my guys for very long periods in armor for that reason but the training value is limited. I still think armor is an equalizer to a point. I knew a guy who was a semi pro body builder and trained with him on machine gun ranges, he was quite a bit stronger than me but he could not run with a MG either. The extent of how much armor reduces your speed/movement I don’t know but it does. And ya this could be different than dex but even fine motor skills suffer to a point.

I'd like to hear more about this)It's not an easy task to figure out a model that feels natural but still can be easily described. And I am curious what cap (your experience tells you) feels right. E.g. you have 3 guys: a). 10 MIG, 12 DEX b). 10 MIG, 14 DEX c). 10 MIG, 24 DEX If they wear the same heavy armor: v1. should their [DEX] be capped at the same 12 spot? v2. their [DEX BONUS] should be lowered multiplicatively, let's say by 50%, so their DEX becomes: 11, 12, 17 v3. their [DEX] gets lowered by a fixed value (and if gets to zero - they can't wear it) v4. other, or combination of the above And another question, with other 3 guys: a). 10 MIG, 12 DEX b). 14 MIG, 12 DEX c). 24 MIG, 12 DEX Does wearing the same heavy armor impacts them the same? Plus, can we say that there can be heavy armor and there can be clumsy armor? The first one limits your agility mainly due to it's weight. And this can be partially mediated by having high strength. While clumsy armor limits the agility of your movement nevertheless? @max My experience was that Marines who were significantly more agile and athletic than me without armor on we’re A LOT less agile and athletic than me once the armor went on. For example in a physical fitness test that is done without armor on those that were more athletic than me would run around a 18 to 19 minute 3 mile run beating me by about 1 minute, when a combat fitness test would be conducted in body armor a 800 meter sprint conducted for the run portion those same individuals would only beat me by about 10 seconds. The same thing would happen on the obstacle courses, without armor the more athletic guys would beat me by a good a good margin, once the armor came on the gap would close significantly. Another example with modern body armor on unbuttoning your pants to pee is a chore lol, at least what was issued to me. Lastly the weapon system you are using is a big deal. I was a forward observer so if we went on a small 5 man insertion we did not have room for a machine gunner so I doubled as our machine gunner, once you are carrying a medium machine gun (M240B, a debatable tactical decision IMO but wasn’t my call) and body armor there is no more running. Just shuffling and walking. On normal 30 man platoon sized patrols I had a rifle, things are more manageable at this point but still difficult, you can run but At a slower rate. Things like trying to scratch the small of your back get difficult etc

This has been a really good thread. Thanks guys I appreciate the input. I also think if might added some PEN it would be attractive. That said since I like Paladin front line types I like to add some fort to my already good fort on PoTD so I manage a way to sneak in might. I make up for the flat 10 PER on PoTD by going single handed and gaining + 12 ACC adding to my already +10 ACC with FoD and ring of Flame which adds another +10 ACC to my FoD. I’ve got swashbuckler DW DPS Eder best by 1k damage so far at level 8, maybe that’s not saying much since he isn’t built optimally. This build in the early game reliably downs tough enemies like young drakes and pulverized the Woedican Crusaders (large shield fronliners of the group) even with their mid 70s deflection I rolled hits and crits even before debuffs landed. Lots of graze to hit and hit to crit so far works well. Unsure about the late game. PS the might def still worse than having the PER but I feel that the + 32 on FODs makes up for it. Plus my LOH, recovery and white flames benefit from might

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Well that’s partly my fault I skipped the beta to be surprised so I had no voice but no zero recovery I feel is just bad design. All these 20 DEX ninjas is dumb, take it from someone who wore modern body armor for a living and in combat..it severely reduces your DEX...I’m one of those guys that feel that the heavier your armor the more your DEX should be capped at like 12.

Don’t you think that’s crappy? It’s an rpg different attributes should matter. If it’s the same attributes over and over you aren’t building a character might as well play Doom. Plug and play fight.

Is it me or is every single DPS build Max DEX, PER and INT? What happened to Might?

Does the healing portion of exalted endurance stack with 2 Paladins? I know the DR won’t.

Ya it’s happened to me too this patch with rotghasts and xaurip priests

Increasing ACC is the main idea behind the build so I guess that is covered. FoD +10, Ring that adds +10 to fire attacks (works wth FoD), one handed style +12 ACC. Fighting one handed is indeed a good way to increase your crit chance but for what? Using 2 weapons or a 2 handed weapon gives more dps anyway...FoD and the ring on the other hand is just gimmicky because how many times are you using FoD over a fight and what difference it will make? The ring makes sense on an evoker who has lots of AoE fire spells to spam or maybe for someone using firebrand. First, thanks for the all the advice this has helped a ton! So the previous question:Well, hitting stuff, critting is nice but I find that on PoTD is hard to consistently hit stuff in the early game. One handed helps a lot with that. Maybe one handed has diminishing return, late game when i will have less of an issue hitting things. PS I don’t think the fire ring is gimmicky for a Paladin FoD is a cheap source of good damage and you are just going to hit more with it. Maybe that’s flawed logic I don’t know. Can an evoker use more fire spells than a Paladin FoDs over the course of a fight?

I can’t find it in the patch notes what are the differences now between the styles? I know DW got bedded a little, what did they do to 2 handed and one handed?

Increasing ACC is the main idea behind the build so I guess that is covered. FoD +10, Ring that adds +10 to fire attacks (works wth FoD), one handed style +12 ACC.

So is it worth stacking hit to crit? With my non math mind I’m thinking well if you get the roll once it could be useful to roll again even if it’s less of a chance. Thoughts?

I will say that I came on the forums for confirmation of the build from more experienced players as even though i was a huge player and had high skill with POE 1 I am not very good at POE 2...getting there , I did try this build once on PoTD/ironman that run that ended midway and he led in crits and was a close second in damage. So I know it works I just wanted confirmation and ideas from better players. Ya, that was my thought process and experience with a Crusader Crit build, +10 ACC with FoD, +10 ACC ring of flame, and +12 ACC with one handed style. You do no miss and very rarely graze. Even the Young Drake at the ruins on Maje was brought down easily due to high ACC and PEN. I thought Devoted with Sword would be good for more crit damage but maybe I am off on this. So crit stacking chance is confusing me now lol Is it still worth for this type of build, taking say one handed style and tactical barrage? Since you do not get 55% hit to crit what would the % be?

right so I made a Crusader (unbroken) and he did garner good enough attention, but one fight it just did not matter, the mob ate the disengagement attack (I was level 7) it was naga warrior on PoTD and went to the back line, that said maybe it isnt the Crusader and its the way I fought the fight. What do you think of the talent that prones targets if you hit with disengagement, guardian stance? Mob stance is good for a tank crusader too just because your recovery becomes really fast, meaning you do not that much DEX to have good recovery for actions like Lay on Hands etc in heavy armor..so many decisions lmao

I think I’d rather bring a straight Paladin just because he gets access to support faster if I am going for a tank. PS I know the convo switched but now that I know you can’t stay crit miltiplivtibely I’m wondering what the Crusader is good at in a game where I can’t force the AI to attack him.

So you think the Crusader as his main role of engagement sponge is fine? I just feel that in a game with no aggro his great defense is waisted with a shield, he’s always the last guy alive which makes sense but is useless. I don’t mean as the offtank but as the main defense guy. I think the Crusader doesn’t bring enough to the party to warrant a slot for his crap offense. Just brings more personal survivability, A herald with crap offense is fine because it’s unlimited powerful healing for the party plus just as good survivability. A Crusader just brings exalted endurance plus exhortations. Is he better used as on OT that does consistent damage?

Paladin because I like the flavor of the class lol but aside I think it brings a lot. Great defenses with f and c and deep faith, making you untouchable without a shield once you get vigorous defense. +10 ACC to FOD + ACC fire ring and single handed specialization, improved disciplined barrage nets you 55% hit to crit while it’s up. But ya you guys showed me there are other classes that do it better. I just think a crusader doesn’t bring much as a “tank” you are just the last one alive when you lose and then can’t kill anything fast enough once you are the only one left. Trying to make use for him. One thing I did not know about was diminishing returns on stacking hit to crit. How does it work?

What do you guys think of an off tank crusader single weapon duelist who stacks hit to Crit? Could go devoted for even more Crit damage

I have not, crappy performance (I have a really good rig), and bugs just turned me off. I want to finish it. Crazy that I put in 2k hours into the 1st one.

Any official acknowledgement on this? This is a crap bug.

Nah I just started a new character and had Eder DWing, only his offhand swings when he is carrying St. Droga's Skull. What a mess lol The offhand issue makes one of my characters really crappy.. I guess I am not playing again until this is fixed *grumbles*

Schin, Attached is the output log, I was able to reproduce the bug somewhat. When the game starts up I click to skip the Obsidian logo and it will hang with the windows pointer becoming a circle, this time it recovered and went to the main menu, other times it crashes. In game its totally playable I am getting no crashes. So for now my workaround is go get something to drink when the opening sequence fires up lol output_log.txt