KDubya Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 The only changes are that weapons with recovery all gained one second. This affects bows and implements, firearms are the same. Two Handed Ranged ArbalestBlunted criticals - no extra damage from critical hits but the extra penetration still helps Unfit for melee - enemies have +10 to hit you in melee 23 - 28 pierce damage Avg = 25.5 penetration = 9 Range = 12 Attack time 0.7 seconds Reload time 6.0 seconds (not affected by armor) DPS = 3.81 ArquebusBlunted criticals - no extra damage from critical hits but the extra penetration still helps Unfit for melee - enemies have +10 to hit you in melee an unmarked -5 accuracy 24 - 32 pierce damage, Avg = 28 Penetration = 9 Range = 12 Attack time 0.7 sec Reload time = 6.8 sec (Not affected by armor) DPS = 4.12 3.73 DPS w/-5 accuracy = 3.79 3.43 CrossbowBonus crits - 10% hit >crit conversion, roughly = +2% damage w/o considering penetration effects Unfit for melee - enemies have +10 to hit you in melee 19 - 24 pierce damage, Avg = 21.5 Penetration = 7 Range = 12 Attack time 0.7 Reload 5.0 (not affected by armor) DPS = 3.77 DPS with hit>crit = 3.85 Hunting Bow+5 accuracy Unfit for melee - enemies have +10 to hit you in melee 12 - 17 slash pierce, Avg = 14.5 Penetration = 5 Range = 12 Attack 0.9 Recovery 3.0 4.0 DPS = 3.72 2.96 DPS with +5 accuracy = 4.10 3.26 War Bowunfit for melee - enemies have +10 to hit you in melee 14 - 18 damage slash pierce, Avg = 16 Penetration = 7 Range = 12 Attack 1.1 Recovery 3.0 4.0 DPS = 3.90 3.14 Rod13 - 19 slash pierce, Avg = 16 Penetration = 5 Range = 8 Attack 1.1 Recovery 3.0 4.0 DPS = 3.90 3.14 One handed Ranged BlunderbussBlunted Criticals - no extra damage from critical hits but the extra penetration still helps unmarked -10 accuracy 5 -8 pierce with 5 projectiles, Avg = 6.5 Penetration = 5 Range = 4 Attack = 1.1 Reload = 6.0 (not affected by armor) DPS with shield in off hand = 4.58 (3.84 w/accuracy malus) DPS with single wielding for the +12 accuracy = 5.46 (4.59 w/accuracy malus) Dual wielding lets you fire one then fire the other before reloading, or you can have a melee in other hand and it benefits from dual wielding for -50% recovery Pistol Blunted Criticals - no extra damage from critical hits but the extra penetration still helps 19 - 26 pierce damage, Avg = 22.5 Penetration = 5 Range = 8 Attack = 1.1 Reload = 5.0 (not affected by armor) DPS with shield in off hand = 3.69 DPS with single wielding for the +12 accuracy = 4.40 Dual wielding lets you fire one then fire the other before reloading, or you can have a melee in other hand and it benefits from dual wielding for -50% recovery Sceptre10 - 14 crush slash, avg = 12 Penetration = 7 Range = 4 Attack = 0.7 Recovery = 3.0 4.0 DPS with shield in off hand = 3.24 (3.89 w/modal) 2.55 (3.06 with modal) DPS with single wielding = 4.02 (4.82 w/modal) 3.17 (3.80 with modal) DPS with dual wielding = 5.45 (6.54 w/modal) 3.43 (4.11 w/modal) WandUnfit for melee - enemies have +10 +5 to hit you in melee 7 - 11 pierce, avg = 9 Penetration = 5 Range = 8 Attack = 0.7 Recovery = 2.0 3.0 DPS with shield in off hand = 3.33 2.43 DPS with single wielding = 4.13 3.02 DPS with dual wielding = 5.29 3.21 Analysis Best Alpha Striker is Arquebus for range or dual Blunderbuss Best Alpha Striker with a Full Attack is dual pistol for range or dual blunderbuss (dual scepters when criticals are plentiful) Best sustained DPS in heavy armor single wielded pistol or single wielded blunderbuss Best sustained DPS when penetration is needed Dual Sceptres Best sustained DPS when in melee Dual Sceptres Ranked DPS Single wield blunderbuss 4.59 dps Single wield pistol 4.40 dps dual wield scepter with modal 4.11 dps crossbow 3.85 dps blunderbuss with shield 3.84 dps Arbalest 3.81 dps single wield scepter with modal 3.80 dps pistol with shield 3.69 dps Arquebus 3.43 dps hunting bow 3.26 dps dual wield wands 3.21 dps warbow 3.14 dps rod 3.14 dps scepter with shield with modal 3.06 single wield wand 3.02 dps wand with shield 2.43 dps Analysis Firearms are quite good as they are not affected by heavy armor. Bows which were not great before are now worse with the slower recovery 3
dunehunter Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 I still didn’t get why sword + firearm get dual wielding recovery time bonus. Such a weird design... 1
Dr. Hieronymous Alloy Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 Is there a reason why you're doing ranged and melee in separate threads?
AndreaColombo Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 @dunehunter: getting the bonus to recovery with Kalakoth’s Minor Blights is one of the few fun things left in the game. Why remove it? "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
dunehunter Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) @dunehunter: getting the bonus to recovery with Kalakoth’s Minor Blights is one of the few fun things left in the game. Why remove it? Just feel it’s weird that pistol with a free offhand is slower than pistol with a sword in offhand when reloading bullet..... Magic?? Edited February 4, 2018 by dunehunter
Boeroer Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Yeah it's totally bonkers. However, when getting no bonus whatsoever nobody would ever use something like melee + ranged dual wielding like the piratesque sabre + pistol. Which would be a shame as well. Maybe one could come up with a seperate and interesting style for that. 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
drchocapic Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 @dunehunter: getting the bonus to recovery with Kalakoth’s Minor Blights is one of the few fun things left in the game. Why remove it? Just feel it’s weird that pistol with a free offhand is slower than pistol with a sword in offhand when reloading bullet..... Magic?? It's also weird that the Gunner talent from the Ranger class, which is supposed to make you reload faster, actually makes you reload 25% slower. 1
Boeroer Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) They have problems with it since Deadfire is in the making. I guess at some point they changed the term from "reload time" ot "reload speed" and the guy responsilbe for implementing the numbers got really confused (maybe he's a berserker whose frenzy got triggered): The hat in Deadfire did extend reloading time as well as the soulbound arbalest in the PoE Deadfire Pack. Some weapon modals also did the opposite from what they are supposed to do, so is Gunner in Deadfire. With reloading time (or is it speed? ) it's all a big mess atm. Edited February 20, 2018 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
divx Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 Does Two Weapon Style from the Fighter tree apply to dual wielding range weapons or only melee?
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