Germany Decides !

[Chilloutman]

  On 9/26/2017 at 3:49 PM, Lexx said:

According to some folks, Germany is pretty much Africa now.

not yet, you need to try harder my friend

[ShadySands]

I've never seen Germany and Wakanda in the same place at the same time

 

Just saying

[213374U]

  On 9/26/2017 at 2:47 PM, Chilloutman said:

Diaz and Trujillo are not from Europe...

Right, right. So:

 

- "commies": Enver Hoxha, Tito, Todor Zhivkov, János Kádár, Stalin* -- rest don't count because you shifted the goalposts to admit only European countries

 

- non-commies: Éamon de Valera, Salazar, Franco, Urho Kekkonen

 

So, 4 (5 if you count the Soviet Union as being in Europe) commies vs... 4 non-commies.

 

Still your original statement that "almost all are [...] commies" is bull.

 

Care to try again?

Edited September 26, 2017 by 213374U

[Chilloutman]

  On 9/26/2017 at 4:46 PM, 213374U said:

 

  On 9/26/2017 at 2:47 PM, Chilloutman said:

Diaz and Trujillo are not from Europe...

Right, right. So:

 

- "commies": Enver Hoxha, Tito, Todor Zhivkov, János Kádár, Stalin* -- rest don't count because you shifted the goalposts to admit only European countries

 

- non-commies: Éamon de Valera, Salazar, Franco, Urho Kekkonen

 

So, 4 (5 if you count the Soviet Union as being in Europe) commies vs... 4 non-commies.

 

Still your original statement that "almost all are [...] commies" is bull.

 

Care to try again?

 

try what, what is bull? Seems like you are trying to be edgy where there is no need for it 

[213374U]

  On 9/26/2017 at 4:56 PM, Chilloutman said:

try what, what is bull? Seems like you are trying to be edgy where there is no need for it 

So calling people on their bs is now "being edgy". Okie dokie. Looks like I need to get with the times.

 

 

[Malcador]

  On 9/26/2017 at 3:35 PM, Chilloutman said:

 

  On 9/26/2017 at 3:30 PM, Malcador said:

 

  On 9/26/2017 at 2:35 PM, Chilloutman said:

 

  On 9/26/2017 at 2:22 PM, Malcador said:

 

  On 9/26/2017 at 1:17 PM, Gfted1 said:

I wonder what the record is (non-monarch) for length of ruling a modern European country. Putin and Merkel have to be close, if not haviing set the record already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-ruling_non-royal_national_leaders_since_1900

 

almost all are from Africa, rest from commies ruled states

 

And?

 

well he asked about EUROPEAN ones, thats why I pointed that our, don't be touchy

 

I just assumed he wasn't so stupid as to not be able to find the first European going down the list. Silly me. Edited September 26, 2017 by Malcador

[Gfted1]

  On 9/26/2017 at 5:01 PM, Malcador said:

I just assumed he wasn't so stupid as to not be able to find the first European going down the list. Silly me.

HAHA! Theres your problem! Wait, that's me...

[Blarghagh]

To be fair, my elite numbers man, Gfted1 did say European. So your objections are partially correct but accusing chilloutman of moving the goalpost to only include European isn't right.

[Malcador]

  On 9/26/2017 at 5:17 PM, TrueNeutral said:

To be fair, my elite numbers man, Gfted1 did say European. So your objections are partially correct but accusing chilloutman of moving the goalpost to only include European isn't right.

Well, the initial objection is pointless, a superset of the data asked for was given and was a problem...for some reason.

[213374U]

  On 9/26/2017 at 5:17 PM, TrueNeutral said:

To be fair, my elite numbers man, Gfted1 did say European. So your objections are partially correct but accusing chilloutman of moving the goalpost to only include European isn't right.

 

Yep. And that makes sense, except that Chilloutman's objection to the larger list was that Africans in the list don't count (even though Africa isn't in Europe and Europe isn't Africa despite what some would have you believe). Which is why I added some non-European, non-African examples to the reply. The African reference only makes sense if Chilloutman was expanding the scope to the whole world... except Africa.

 

Anyway, let's see if I can fix up a statement we can all agree on to get this trainwreck back on track:

 

"almost all are commies, except those who aren't"

 

Right?

[Chilloutman]

well, since its really not clear to you will try to explain.

 

1) First there was this 'question':

 

I wonder what the record is (non-monarch) for length of ruling a modern European country. Putin and Merkel have to be close, if not haviing set the record already.

 

2) Where Malcador send list of List of longest-ruling non-royal national leaders since 1900 of whole world\

 

to which I pointed that:

 

almost all are from Africa, rest from commies ruled states

 

3) to which 213374U replied (and I must say I chukled as he again provided examples of non-europeans)

 

Sure. Except from Franco, Salazar, Díaz, Trujillo...

 

and I am the called bull?

 

if you want to be the clever one, point out those which are on list and actually are relevant:

 

Éamon de Valera

Urho Kekkonen

 

nah, whatever

Edited September 26, 2017 by Chilloutman

[majestic]

  On 9/26/2017 at 2:55 PM, Gfted1 said:

 

  On 9/26/2017 at 2:22 PM, Malcador said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-ruling_non-royal_national_leaders_since_1900

 

Whoa! I guess Merkel's 20 years (at the end of this term) are nothing in comparison.

 

 

Not to rain on your parade there but Merkel's chancellor since 2005. She might get 16 years at best, assuming Jamaica works out (and that'll be fun with the FDP and the Greens in the same government). Kohl also had 16 years, so that's not even a record for Germany.

 

And I suppose Tage Erlander qualifies as the longest continously serving, democratically elected leader in Europe post-WW2.

[Gfted1]

My bad, my Google-fu must have failed me. I though I read that she was starting her fourth term and each term was 5 years.

[majestic]

  On 9/26/2017 at 6:30 PM, Gfted1 said:

My bad, my Google-fu failed me. I though I read that she was starting her fourth term and each term was 5 years.

 

She is, terms in Germany are 4 years.

[Malcador]

  On 9/26/2017 at 6:23 PM, Chilloutman said:

well, since its really not clear to you will try to explain.

 

1) First there was this 'question':

 

I wonder what the record is (non-monarch) for length of ruling a modern European country. Putin and Merkel have to be close, if not haviing set the record already.

 

2) Where Malcador send list of List of longest-ruling non-royal national leaders since 1900 of whole world\

 

to which I pointed that:

 

almost all are from Africa, rest from commies ruled states

 

3) to which 213374U replied (and I must say I chukled as he again provided examples of non-europeans)

 

Sure. Except from Franco, Salazar, Díaz, Trujillo...

 

and I am the called bull?

 

if you want to be the clever one, point out those which are on list and actually are relevant:

 

Éamon de Valera

Urho Kekkonen

 

nah, whatever

Why is Franco not relevant ?

[Chilloutman]

  On 9/26/2017 at 6:52 PM, Malcador said:

 

  On 9/26/2017 at 6:23 PM, Chilloutman said:

well, since its really not clear to you will try to explain.

 

1) First there was this 'question':

 

I wonder what the record is (non-monarch) for length of ruling a modern European country. Putin and Merkel have to be close, if not haviing set the record already.

 

2) Where Malcador send list of List of longest-ruling non-royal national leaders since 1900 of whole world\

 

to which I pointed that:

 

almost all are from Africa, rest from commies ruled states

 

3) to which 213374U replied (and I must say I chukled as he again provided examples of non-europeans)

 

Sure. Except from Franco, Salazar, Díaz, Trujillo...

 

and I am the called bull?

 

if you want to be the clever one, point out those which are on list and actually are relevant:

 

Éamon de Valera

Urho Kekkonen

 

nah, whatever

Why is Franco not relevant ?

 

 

Well since he was kinda dictator as his opposed commies I mentioned previously he doesn't sound that relevant to me when compared to democratically elected leaders but I never stated he si not from Europe. Count him in if you want, no problem for me

[Malcador]

Well Gfted1 didn't restrict it to elected leaders of countries.

[Chilloutman]

I know but as he mentioned non-monarch I kinda pud that connection in, he didn't say he don't want commie dictators either. Pardon me if it was far fetched expectation

[Malcador]

Not far fetched, but seeing you had a conniption over not meeting the exact request, just thought it'd be funny to point out.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Malcador

[Blarghagh]

In fact he mentioned Putin. That takes that restriction off the list unless you want to be 'technically correct'.

[Chilloutman]

  On 9/26/2017 at 7:33 PM, TrueNeutral said:

In fact he mentioned Putin. That takes that restriction off the list unless you want to be 'technically correct'.

 

well, he is still elected and Russia is more like oligarchy? Not sure, not expert on Russia

[ShadySands]

Well he alternated being President and Prime Minister for a time but was never not the guy in charge. Still that's only what, 18 years or so?

[213374U]

  On 9/26/2017 at 7:19 PM, Chilloutman said:

Well since he was kinda dictator as his opposed commies I mentioned previously he doesn't sound that relevant to me when compared to democratically elected leaders but I never stated he si not from Europe. Count him in if you want, no problem for me

LOL

 

So, commies are relevant enough for you to note that almost all of them are (even though not really), but Franco isn't because... "he was kinda dictator as his opposed commies" (?). And Salazar neither because, uh...

 

Of course, I forget: pointing out commie dictatorships is always relevant.

Edited September 26, 2017 by 213374U

[majestic]

  On 9/26/2017 at 7:56 PM, ShadySands said:

Well he alternated being President and Prime Minister for a time but was never not the guy in charge. Still that's only what, 18 years or so?

 

18 years and a couple of days, yeah - and no real end in sight.

[Chilloutman]

  On 9/26/2017 at 8:24 PM, 213374U said:

 

  On 9/26/2017 at 7:19 PM, Chilloutman said:

Well since he was kinda dictator as his opposed commies I mentioned previously he doesn't sound that relevant to me when compared to democratically elected leaders but I never stated he si not from Europe. Count him in if you want, no problem for me

LOL

 

So, commies are relevant enough for you to note that almost all of them are (even though not really), but Franco isn't because... "he was kinda dictator as his opposed commies" (?). And Salazar neither because, uh...

 

Of course, I forget: pointing out commie dictatorships is always relevant.

 

 

what? I pointed them about because they are irelevant as Africa leaders which I noted, seriously, do you need to be still the smartass? I even can't probably decypher that sentence properly