KingVoodoo Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Hi, quick question: Does envenomed strike work with fists (unarmed)? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Good question. Never tried that, but it should. I never read about an issue with that. I will fire up the game and test it with the console and report back in a few minutes. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) Yes, it works. And it also uses the accuracy bonus of Transcendent Suffering, which is not always the case with special attacks. I hope you didn't mean Enervating Blows. In case you did: those also work with fists. Edited February 24, 2017 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxQuest Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Don't try to use it on crush-immune targets through. Envenom deals raw damage... but it will just not get applied. PoE1 useful stuff: attack speed calculator, unofficial patch mod, attack speed mechanics, dot mechanics, modals exclusivity rules PoE2 useful stuff: community patch, attack speed mechanics, enemy AR and defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgray62 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Maxquest, are you sure that the envenomed strike won't apply when attacking a crush immune enemy? Just yesterday my party was fighting a bunch of ice blights in WM1, and I was surprised to see that my monk killed a crush immune enemy with an unarmed strike; he scored a crit for 0 crush damage, but lightning strikes was activated and he dealt 10 lightning damage. So the lightning damage was applied even though the base attack damage was zero. I have no idea if this would be the case with envenomed strike since I've never taken it, but I thought I would ask given this experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Don't try to use it on crush-immune targets through. Envenom deals raw damage... but it will just not get applied.Are you sure? Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxQuest Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) Yeap. But re-tested it just a minute ago anyway. If you try to apply Envenomed Strike with your fists on a crush-immune enemy, combat log will show that you have missed with the second effect (no matter how high your accuracy is). Maxquest, are you sure that the envenomed strike won't apply when attacking a crush immune enemy? Just yesterday my party was fighting a bunch of ice blights in WM1, and I was surprised to see that my monk killed a crush immune enemy with an unarmed strike; he scored a crit for 0 crush damage, but lightning strikes was activated and he dealt 10 lightning damage. So the lightning damage was applied even though the base attack damage was zero. I have no idea if this would be the case with envenomed strike since I've never taken it, but I thought I would ask given this experience.I know that lightning strikes do still go through) They are treated like a lash, and it doesn't matter if main attack dealt 0 damage due to DR or immunity. Envenomed Strike through just wastes a charge. I've even tested if you could apply Envenom with fists WHILE lightning strikes are on (as theoretically there was a chance that it wasn't applied because of 0 damage) and with accuracy high enough to 100% guarantee a hit. But nope, it still doesn't work. You can check these screenshots, and this combat log entry: It even shows Fort:Immune, despite of the fact that Greater Ice Blights have 107 fortitude. Edit: (!) it actually gets applied via fists to crush immune enemies. Just noticed that ice blights which I used as target dummies are actually immune to poison Edited March 4, 2017 by MaxQuest 1 PoE1 useful stuff: attack speed calculator, unofficial patch mod, attack speed mechanics, dot mechanics, modals exclusivity rules PoE2 useful stuff: community patch, attack speed mechanics, enemy AR and defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Cool. Thanks for testing, that's good to know. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgray62 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Thanks for checking this, Maxquest. I thought to ask since lightning strikes, at least, does apply to crush immune enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingVoodoo Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 Thanks everyone, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxQuest Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Khm, I've just noticed that Ice Blights are immune to poison. I've just checked. The problem was not in the fact that I was trying to apply Envenomed Strike with fists vs crush immune enemy; but in that that the enemy was immune to poison itself. Fort:Imm notice in combat log could be a little more descriptive. But yeah, should check my target for all immunities) PoE1 useful stuff: attack speed calculator, unofficial patch mod, attack speed mechanics, dot mechanics, modals exclusivity rules PoE2 useful stuff: community patch, attack speed mechanics, enemy AR and defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Khm, I've just noticed that Ice Blights are immune to poison. I've just checked. The problem was not in the fact that I was trying to apply Envenomed Strike with fists vs crush immune enemy; but in that that the enemy was immune to poison itself. Fort:Imm notice in combat log could be a little more descriptive. But yeah, should check my target for all immunities) So in general crush immunity won't provide envenomed strike immunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxQuest Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 No. Just tried to apply it with fists upon Alpine Dragon (who is immune to crush, but not to poison). And envenom was applied. My bad for that false positive. PoE1 useful stuff: attack speed calculator, unofficial patch mod, attack speed mechanics, dot mechanics, modals exclusivity rules PoE2 useful stuff: community patch, attack speed mechanics, enemy AR and defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Man, where is the dislike button when I need it. 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Man, where is the dislike button when I need it. Why dislike? If I am understanding Max's post - "And envenom was applied." - it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaylon Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 It would be nice to have a list of spells/abilities that are considered poisons and diseases... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxQuest Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Why dislike? If I am understanding Max's post - "And envenom was applied." - it works.Hah, probably because I confused him P.S. It's not the first time, the question about poison list appears... Imho such stuff should be included in spells' tooltips. 1 PoE1 useful stuff: attack speed calculator, unofficial patch mod, attack speed mechanics, dot mechanics, modals exclusivity rules PoE2 useful stuff: community patch, attack speed mechanics, enemy AR and defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 A while back someone wrote a list of all enemy attacks that count as poison or disease (the point being to determine how good the Mountain Dwarf racial is) but annoyingly I can't find it now. The list was surprisingly long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livegood118 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 A while back someone wrote a list of all enemy attacks that count as poison or disease (the point being to determine how good the Mountain Dwarf racial is) but annoyingly I can't find it now. The list was surprisingly long. Tada! https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/90437-is-there-a-comprehensive-list-of-poisondisease-attacks/?p=1864176 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Why dislike? If I am understanding Max's post - "And envenom was applied." - it works.Hah, probably because I confused him Yes - your test totally convinced me although I was doubtful at first. But of course I was only teasing. 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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