Hi,

quick question:

Does envenomed strike work with fists (unarmed)?

 

Thanks.

Good question. Never tried that, but it should. I never read about an issue with that. I will fire up the game and test it with the console and report back in a few minutes.

Yes, it works. And it also uses the accuracy bonus of Transcendent Suffering, which is not always the case with special attacks.

I hope you didn't mean Enervating Blows. In case you did: those also work with fists.

Edited February 24, 20178 yr by Boeroer

Don't try to use it on crush-immune targets through. Envenom deals raw damage... but it will just not get applied.

Maxquest, are you sure that the envenomed strike won't apply when attacking a crush immune enemy? Just yesterday my party was fighting a bunch of ice blights in WM1, and I was surprised to see that my monk killed a crush immune enemy with an unarmed strike; he scored a crit for 0 crush damage, but lightning strikes was activated and he dealt 10 lightning damage. So the lightning damage was applied even though the base attack damage was zero. I have no idea if this would be the case with envenomed strike since I've never taken it, but I thought I would ask given this experience.

Don't try to use it on crush-immune targets through. Envenom deals raw damage... but it will just not get applied.

Are you sure?

Yeap. But re-tested it just a minute ago anyway.

 

If you try to apply Envenomed Strike with your fists on a crush-immune enemy, combat log will show that you have missed with the second effect (no matter how high your accuracy is).

 

Maxquest, are you sure that the envenomed strike won't apply when attacking a crush immune enemy? Just yesterday my party was fighting a bunch of ice blights in WM1, and I was surprised to see that my monk killed a crush immune enemy with an unarmed strike; he scored a crit for 0 crush damage, but lightning strikes was activated and he dealt 10 lightning damage. So the lightning damage was applied even though the base attack damage was zero. I have no idea if this would be the case with envenomed strike since I've never taken it, but I thought I would ask given this experience.

I know that lightning strikes do still go through) They are treated like a lash, and it doesn't matter if main attack dealt 0 damage due to DR or immunity.

 

Envenomed Strike through just wastes a charge.

I've even tested if you could apply Envenom with fists WHILE lightning strikes are on (as theoretically there was a chance that it wasn't applied because of 0 damage) and with accuracy high enough to 100% guarantee a hit. But nope, it still doesn't work. You can check these screenshots, and this combat log entry:

 

 

It even shows Fort:Immune, despite of the fact that Greater Ice Blights have 107 fortitude.

 

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Edit: (!) it actually gets applied via fists to crush immune enemies. Just noticed that ice blights which I used as target dummies are actually immune to poison

Edited March 4, 20178 yr by MaxQuest

Cool. Thanks for testing, that's good to know.

Thanks for checking this, Maxquest. I thought to ask since lightning strikes, at least, does apply to crush immune enemies.

Thanks everyone, much appreciated.  

Khm, I've just noticed that Ice Blights are immune to poison.

I've just checked. The problem was not in the fact that I was trying to apply Envenomed Strike with fists vs crush immune enemy; but in that that the enemy was immune to poison itself. Fort:Imm notice in combat log could be a little more descriptive. But yeah, should check my target for all immunities)

Khm, I've just noticed that Ice Blights are immune to poison.

I've just checked. The problem was not in the fact that I was trying to apply Envenomed Strike with fists vs crush immune enemy; but in that that the enemy was immune to poison itself. Fort:Imm notice in combat log could be a little more descriptive. But yeah, should check my target for all immunities)

 

So in general crush immunity won't provide envenomed strike immunity?

No. Just tried to apply it with fists upon Alpine Dragon (who is immune to crush, but not to poison). And envenom was applied.

My bad for that false positive.

Man, where is the dislike button when I need it.

Man, where is the dislike button when I need it.

 

Why dislike? If I am understanding Max's post - "And envenom was applied." -  it works. 

It would be nice to have a list of spells/abilities that are considered poisons and diseases...

Why dislike? If I am understanding Max's post - "And envenom was applied." -  it works.

Hah, probably because I confused him

 

 

P.S. It's not the first time, the question about poison list appears...

Imho such stuff should be included in spells' tooltips.

A while back someone wrote a list of all enemy attacks that count as poison or disease (the point being to determine how good the Mountain Dwarf racial is) but annoyingly I can't find it now. The list was surprisingly long.

A while back someone wrote a list of all enemy attacks that count as poison or disease (the point being to determine how good the Mountain Dwarf racial is) but annoyingly I can't find it now. The list was surprisingly long.

 

 

Tada!

 

https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/90437-is-there-a-comprehensive-list-of-poisondisease-attacks/?p=1864176

 

Why dislike? If I am understanding Max's post - "And envenom was applied." -  it works.

Hah, probably because I confused him

Yes - your test totally convinced me although I was doubtful at first. But of course I was only teasing.