Continued from here:

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/74461-controversial-limerick-discussion/

 

Please keep the discussion to one thread and try to be charitable with one another. No eye gouging!

;_; but I was going to give the eye gouges for free!

I have the highest respect for the moderators on these forums. You guys are ten times better than the north korean moderators on the Bioware forum.

[Kveldulf puts down the piano string]

 

 

I sense another Firedorn coming to this thread. HOLD ON!

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by Kveldulf

Oh just lock them all immediately for a day. I don't think we're losing anything while the main inquiry is if an an effeminate dev is a sign of a homosexual conspiracy.

 

I'm going to bed, and tomorrow I'll decide if I want to continue Xenogears or restart with a new char on PoE. You guys have fun. So long as nobody figures out we're using fluoridation to sap and impurify all of your precious bodily fluids, it's all good.

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by Arouet

Funny how you decide to leave right after you let slip that you know Eric enough to know his real name. Did you mention this when you spent the past several threads arguing for his position?

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by deuxhero

"I don't think we're losing anything while the main inquiry is if an an effeminate dev is a sign of a homosexual conspiracy."

 

wut u tlkn' 'bout matey?

 

 

You're right, Kia is totally full of sane people.

 

...that post is only 18% upvoted(meaning it was downvoted through the floor) and every reply with a score higher than 1 is negative towards the OP.

 

That's not even touching on how one poster = 32K+ subreddit.

How many people have seen The Hangover 2.  In that movie, Andy from The Office has sex with a trans.  And is upset about it after the fact.  The HORROR!

 

Is that 'transphobic'?  I say no, but If so, should the film be censored because of that?  I say **** NO!

 

The limerick that got censored here is more nebulous than that and yet it was cut because a small minority were offended.  Sad.  The offended have a choice.  Don't play.  Don't watch. Don't listen.  Spend your money elsewhere.  I do not have problem with the criticism, I have a problem with Obsidian's knee jerk reaction to it.

Oh just lock them all immediately for a day. I don't think we're losing anything while the main inquiry is if an an effeminate dev is a sign of a homosexual conspiracy.

 

I'm going to bed, and tomorrow I'll decide if I want to continue Xenogears or restart with a new char on PoE. You guys have fun. So long as nobody figures out we're using fluoridation to sap and impurify all of your precious bodily fluids, it's all good.

 

this xenogears?

 

 

Funny how you decide to leave right after you let slip that you know Eric enough to know his real name. Did you mention this when you spent the past several threads arguing for his position?

Her, bigot.

 

And she posted it. On twitter.

 

Someday I'm going to meet a slightly intelligent bigot. It has to happen eventually, right?

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by Arouet

I'm not going to be nice to a man who preeches Kill All Men.

Arouet linked to a post on KiA. The post in question was pretty crazy but was downvoted pretty heavily and criticized on KiA

http://puu.sh/h0PkB/937e888a70.png

 

Arouettes argument was that KiA isn't full of sane people. The response to that thread tells me otherwise though.

 

But honestly, can we please stop talking about KiA?

I think the act of removing it is likely to bring more attention through the Streisand Effect.

 

As for the note itself: I know a few trans people and they would have probably snickered at that because it wasn't mean spirited as presented. More than likely the people making the most stink aren't the victims of the perceived offense.

Are you saying the game has zero known issues currently?

No, I'm saying the critical stuff like crashes seems to have been fixed. Not sure however, as I have not launched the game post-patch.

 

Funny how you decide to leave right after you let slip that you know Eric enough to know his real name. Did you mention this when you spent the past several threads arguing for his position?

Her, bigot.

 

And she posted it. On twitter.

 

Someday I'm going to meet a slightly intelligent bigot. It has to happen eventually, right?

 

 

You could try looking in a mirror, but you might be dissapointed. 

 

Sorry, I don't normally resort to jibes like that... 

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by ChipMHazard

I'm not going to be nice to a man who preeches Kill All Men.

Could have saved us a lot of trouble just saying that you were a transphobe instead of dressing it up in that whole freedom of speech cloak.

 

Funny how you decide to leave right after you let slip that you know Eric enough to know his real name. Did you mention this when you spent the past several threads arguing for his position?

Her, bigot.

 

And she posted it. On twitter.

 

Someday I'm going to meet a slightly intelligent bigot. It has to happen eventually, right?

 

 

 

Maybe if you try putting the tiara of social grace +2 on.

 

Just because someone rolls out a conspiracy thoery doesn't mean you should merely honk with disgust.... can't u just have an open mind? or at least dismiss things politely?

 

I mean, did I hurt your feelings? it sounds like it.

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by Kveldulf

I think the act of removing it is likely to bring more attention through the Streisand Effect.

 

As for the note itself: I know a few trans people and they would have probably snickered at that because it wasn't mean spirited as presented. More than likely the people making the most stink aren't the victims of the perceived offense.

 

Especially because I've seen the Kill All men dude's picture. If you just showed that to someone there's no way they'd think he was female.

 

Not even in a "can't pass" way, there's no sign he's even trying to look female.

I think the act of removing it is likely to bring more attention through the Streisand Effect.

 

As for the note itself: I know a few trans people and they would have probably snickered at that because it wasn't mean spirited as presented. More than likely the people making the most stink aren't the victims of the perceived offense.

Here's some context: http://www.themarysue.com/pillars-of-eternity-joke-removal/

 

I'm not going to be nice to a man who preeches Kill All Men.

Could have saved us a lot of trouble just saying that you were a transphobe instead of dressing it up in that whole freedom of speech cloak.

 

 

 

 

 

Funny how you decide to leave right after you let slip that you know Eric enough to know his real name. Did you mention this when you spent the past several threads arguing for his position?

Her, bigot.

 

And she posted it. On twitter.

 

Someday I'm going to meet a slightly intelligent bigot. It has to happen eventually, right?

 

 

You could try looking in a mirror, but you might be dissapointed. 

 

Sorry, I don't normally resort to jibes like that... 

 

 

 

 

Funny how you decide to leave right after you let slip that you know Eric enough to know his real name. Did you mention this when you spent the past several threads arguing for his position?

Her, bigot.

 

And she posted it. On twitter.

 

Someday I'm going to meet a slightly intelligent bigot. It has to happen eventually, right?

 

Well that turned into ****flinging pretty quickly. How about you both take a nap?

I especially love how the "reasonable" anti-censorship folks aren't even trying to call any of this out. No, this was never about freedom of speech.

 

I'm not going to be nice to a man who preeches Kill All Men.

Could have saved us a lot of trouble just saying that you were a transphobe instead of dressing it up in that whole freedom of speech cloak.

 

 

Throughout every single thread I never saw you condemn the repeated and serious use of kill all men. At best you merely deflected from it.

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by deuxhero

 

Funny how you decide to leave right after you let slip that you know Eric enough to know his real name. Did you mention this when you spent the past several threads arguing for his position?

Her, bigot.

 

And she posted it. On twitter.

 

Someday I'm going to meet a slightly intelligent bigot. It has to happen eventually, right?

Some people just classify others' gender according to their genitalia. What's wrong with that? Seems the most reasonable way to do it.

 

On a side note, why haven't the mods closed the thread yet? This is going to turn into another ****ing argument about what trannies should be classified as, instead of talking about videogames.

Brief rundown of events

 

1) Someone posted on Twitter that a particular poem in the game was "transmisogynistic". It was then retweeted by a journalist (?), and Obsidian responded to both that they would look into it.

 

Now, the person who originally tweeted that complaint consistently comes across as a sociopathic monster in her tweets. So maybe Obsidian should not have treated a tweet from a person like that seriously. On the other hand, Obsidian couldn't necessarily know that this person was like that. 

 

2) A poll was run on the boards showing that 98% of something like 100 participants wanted to keep this in game.

 

Now, maybe Obsidian should have paid greater attention to that poll and the scarcity of people who found this offensive, or maybe it was OK that they didn't.

 

3) Obsidian then changes the limeric, and posts an update saying that the content 'failed their vetting process' and that they have 'worked with many other backers to change ("itinerate") content that didn't fit with the tone of the game', and that they have been supplied with new content by the backer, Firedorn. This is interpreted as that they forced a change, and caved to pressure from a crazy person / a tiny minority with no sense of humor. 

 

4) The person who originally wrote the poem, Firedorn, says that Obsidian contacted them by email and gave them free choice as to whether to change it. Whilst this is hard to reconcile with Obsidian's update, there's some theories that allow it (their message was meant as marketing to defuse criticism from SJWs).

 

5) Overall there's nothing really to follow up on - the backer has said he had a free choice, and the replacement poem isn't too bad and pokes fun at the whole deal. Questions that remain aren't large enough to cause a lot of noise over. 

 

IMO this can be closed. We aren't really getting anywhere new after this.