Police Abuse of Uber Driver in New York City

[Tort]

My points were:

1. That you shouldn't make wild generalizations, based on the example of few - as it is common in such threads about the evil police.

2. Trying to offer a little perspective for people who refuse to see past theory.

3. I haven't commented on this specific case once, since I didn't see both sides of the story. And I doubt that people like the OP would consider anything said by the police, or be accept anything less than a head on a pike.

 

 

Cops really have no excuse for ****ing up their job royally other than incompetence and if their Department allows it then it is a big problem.

Point 2 - maybe, although I am happy that there are review boards, that deal with such things in a non black and white manner.

 

Edit: btw in my experience, frontal service was by far easier..

Edited April 2, 2015 by Tort

[Orogun01]

My points were:

1. That you shouldn't make wild generalizations, based on the example of few - as it is common in such threads about the evil police.

2. Trying to offer a little perspective for people who refuse to see past theory.

3. I haven't commented on this specific case once, since I didn't see both sides of the story. And I doubt that people like the OP would consider anything said by the police, or be accept anything less than a head on a pike.

 

 

Cops really have no excuse for ****ing up their job royally other than incompetence and if their Department allows it then it is a big problem.

Point 2 - maybe, although I am happy that there are review boards, that deal with such things in a non black and white manner.

 

Edit: btw in my experience, frontal service was by far easier..

 

I'm not making generalizations, the lack of self policing and poor culture within police department is the main cause of brutality incidents. It is a problem with the Department not with every cop. The thing is that I don't believe that there is anything in place that passes as a consequence for cops, on the other hand there some clear predatory practices such as establishing quotas.

[Hurlshort]

There is a consistent theme on all these cop threads here that they get away with murder, but most of the cases we are talking about end up with repercussions for the officer involved.  

 

The Bart cop spent two years in prison.  The Ferguson cop, despite being cleared by the evidence, is off the force and is basically going to need to spend a few years in hiding.  

 

This angry cop from NY is going to spend the next year under intense scrutiny and will likely face some sort of probation.  

 

In reality, there is more accountability today then there was 20 years ago.  Everything may be recorded, the media is running 24/7, stories go viral, etc.  

[Malcador]

The BART cop, that's the moron that pulled his gun and shot a guy thinking it was his taser ? Two years seems kind of light.

Edited April 2, 2015 by Malcador

[Orogun01]

There is a consistent theme on all these cop threads here that they get away with murder, but most of the cases we are talking about end up with repercussions for the officer involved.  

 

The Bart cop spent two years in prison.  The Ferguson cop, despite being cleared by the evidence, is off the force and is basically going to need to spend a few years in hiding.  

 

This angry cop from NY is going to spend the next year under intense scrutiny and will likely face some sort of probation.  

 

In reality, there is more accountability today then there was 20 years ago.  Everything may be recorded, the media is running 24/7, stories go viral, etc.  

I agree but it seems like these consequences aren't enough to give them pause and think before they act.

[Hurlshort]

I'm all for reforming both training and oversight among police departments.  They are really all over the map when it comes to quality.  But it is a tough job, and it is hard to simulate high stress environments that many officers will end up faced with.

[Orogun01]

I'm all for reforming both training and oversight among police departments.  They are really all over the map when it comes to quality.  But it is a tough job, and it is hard to simulate high stress environments that many officers will end up faced with.

I recall some controversial training targets that had "unconventional" assailants, pregnant women, children, etc. etc. Unless you're policing a war zone where children carry grenades and commit suicide bombings I can't really understand the need to be prepared to shoot them.

I wonder how much of the stress is just anxiety over perceived dangers rather than real ones.

[Tort]

You don't need a grande or a bomb to kill, and just because someone isn't of legal age, doesn't mean he can't use a gun.. Also I assume this wasn't standard course for the police academy, but extra for units that likely to be involved in such cases.

 

I wonder how much of the stress is just anxiety over perceived dangers rather than real ones.

All i know is that training and experience help to push through, however, some people can't comprehend that, thinking that its just about being decent. That despite the well known fact that policing is high stress job with a lot of ambiguity in work encounters. And statics showing that cops have higher rate of mental and physical issues like: blood pressure and related problems, PTSD, depression, etc Edited April 2, 2015 by Tort

[Orogun01]

You don't need a grande or a bomb to kill, and just because someone isn't of legal age, doesn't mean he can't use a gun..

 

I wonder how much of the stress is just anxiety over perceived dangers rather than real ones.

All i know is that training and experience help to push through, however, some people can't comprehend that, thinking that its just about being decent. That despite the well known fact that policing is high stress job with a lot of ambiguity in work encounters. And statics showing that cops have higher rate of mental and physical issues like: blood pressure and related problems, PTSD, depression, etc

 

I might be optimistic but I doubt there are a lot of toddlers and pregnant women shooting cops. There are a lot of situations that don't require using your gun, quite frankly all you shown is that they need better training that doesn't focus on using guns.

[ktchong]

Michael Palladino, president of the Detective’s Endowment Association (i.e., the police union): "Detective Cherry is a person of good character and an excellent detective... He really should not be judged by one isolated incident."

 

The Wall Street Journal: "Over the course of his 14-1/2 years on the force, Det. Cherry has has received a total of 13 civilian complaints against him according to a person with knowledge of the latest complaint. That complaint alleges the officer was abusive, threatened the driver with arrest, was discourteous and used offensive language regarding the driver’s apparent ethnicity, ..."

 

The New York Times: "Detective Cherry has been the subject of 12 previous complaints to the review board, city officials said, dating to 2001. Some involved similar allegations. A spokeswoman for the board would not disclose the dispositions of those cases."

 

**** YOU, MICHEAL PALLADINO.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2015/04/01/nypd-officer-who-berated-taxi-driver-in-youtube-video-placed-on-desk-duty/

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/02/nyregion/new-york-detective-put-on-desk-duty-after-tirade-with-uber-driver.html

Edited April 2, 2015 by ktchong

[Hurlshort]

Hey, let's give the detective the benefit of the doubt.  He went through a lot on Breaking Bad.

[Tort]

@Orogun01, what I was pointing out, is the banal fact that "training and experience" are the making of any good professional. That include training on how to deal with trouble makers, diffuse hostile situations or react to lethal threat. Obviously traffic cop and gang unit member need different skills.. (and unlike customer service, those usually aren't controlled environments)

 

For example in the extreme, in Ukraine they gave kids uniforms and couple of magazines, those kids might be decent human beings, but in combat they likely to make a host of mistakes compared to "real" soldiers ( which usually spend hundreds of rounds a day training with a verity of weapons, maneuvers, situations, distraction etc )

Edited April 2, 2015 by Tort

[Volourn]

"But it is a tough job,"

 

WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

[Malcador]

"But it is a tough job,"

 

WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Hey, he was visiting some cop buddy that had a heart attack too, so the poor guy was upset. *snort*

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

"But it is a tough job," WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Hey, he was visiting some cop buddy that had a heart attack too, so the poor guy was upset. *snort*

I wish I could be abusive to the people I'm supposed to be serving when I'm "upset". Of course I don't know what it's like so I should give him a pat on the back for abuse of power.

[Hurlshort]

 

 

"But it is a tough job," WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Hey, he was visiting some cop buddy that had a heart attack too, so the poor guy was upset. *snort*

I wish I could be abusive to the people I'm supposed to be serving when I'm "upset". Of course I don't know what it's like so I should give him a pat on the back for abuse of power.

 

 

Who is Volo even quoting there?

[Malcador]

I think he's summing up some defenses of the cop.

[ShadySands]

He read the cop's soul

[Tort]

Who is Volo even quoting there?

He is the guy who posted the logic fail video about shooting cops. So who cares..

 

NM, my mistake, I was thinking off Valsuelm.

Edited April 2, 2015 by Tort

[Volourn]

Huh?

[Valsuelm]

Haha.

 

Volourn uses quotations correctly for once and confuses many people.

[Valsuelm]

 

Who is Volo even quoting there?

He is the guy who posted the logic fail video about shooting cops. So who cares..

 

NM, my mistake, I was thinking off Valsuelm.

 

Logic fail eh?

 

Please explain logically, where any fail is.

[Malcador]

The Volo's way are mighty, indeed.

[Hurlshort]

Just to show that there are some examples of accountability out there:

 

http://news.yahoo.com/3-san-francisco-officers-face-suspensions-over-racist-161326414.html

[Orogun01]

@Orogun01, what I was pointing out, is the banal fact that "training and experience" are the making of any good professional. That include training on how to deal with trouble makers, diffuse hostile situations or react to lethal threat. Obviously traffic cop and gang unit member need different skills.. (and unlike customer service, those usually aren't controlled environments)

 

For example in the extreme, in Ukraine they gave kids uniforms and couple of magazines, those kids might be decent human beings, but in combat they likely to make a host of mistakes compared to "real" soldiers ( which usually spend hundreds of rounds a day training with a verity of weapons, maneuvers, situations, distraction etc )

The point I tried to make was that their training seems less focused on diffusing situations rather than responding with full force.

There's a world of difference with making mistakes while doing your job and having been trained wrong. 

 

@Hurlshot: While I'm all for freedom of speech I can understand why a police department might not want to be associated with them, still the problem should be handled at a Federal level (which my conspiracy sense tells me that its the whole point of publicizing these transgressions)

 

Edit: I just realized that that last part could be misinterpreted to mean that the racist's cop case should be handled at a federal level. I meant to say that the police brutality and investigations into police corruption should be handled at a federal level rather than by IA.

Edited April 4, 2015 by Orogun01