Resting bonus for having sex with a prostitute

[Sedrefilos]

Games are both fantasy and reality.

Killing monsters and casting spells, for example, is fantasy.

Prostitution (rest bonus for sleeping with prostitute) and nationalism (Dozens), for example, is reality.

No matter how much fiction is in a game, when it deals with reality stuff, how the game takes it, matters.

[CaptainMace]

Games are both fantasy and reality.

Killing monsters and casting spells, for example, is fantasy.

Prostitution (rest bonus for sleeping with prostitute) and nationalism (Dozens), for example, is reality.

No matter how much fiction is in a game, when it deals with reality stuff, how the game takes it, matters.

 

Killing bandits is fantasy ?

Wolves and bears are fantastic creatures !

Edited March 31, 2015 by CaptainMace

[Sacred_Path]

 

Right. It's the people who don't have a problem with prostitution in-game who are hyper touchy.

Uh... yes?

 

 

Uhm... no.

 

But you're right, let there be a thread people can dump all their various SJ objections into.

 

"Prostitutes in this game don't earn fair wages!"

 

"You can steal things in this game, which gives you items for free!"

 

"I got rewarded for hitting things with weapons!"

 

 

I'm actually looking forward to it right now. Promise I won't even post in it.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Sacred_Path

[PrimeJunta]

About fifty pages worth of two locked threads says "yes," @Sacred_Path.

 

I mean sure, there are people who take the SJ thing a bit too far maybe,* but that's peanuts compared to the sheer amount of venom the GamerGate side of the fence can muster up.

 

*F.ex. P:E should be commended for having such diverse and interesting companions as Kana Rua, Sagani, and Pallegina, all backed up with fully fleshed-out cultures based on precedents rarely used in fantasy cRPG's, rather than admonished for having too many white males.

[Namutree]

 

Prostitution (rest bonus for sleeping with prostitute) and nationalism (Dozens), for example, is reality.

 

I remember hearing once about how sleeping with prostitutes grants an athletic and CON bonus in real life.

 

 

 

No matter how much fiction is in a game, when it deals with reality stuff, how the game takes it, matters.

Because reasons!

[Monte Carlo]

About fifty pages worth of two locked threads says "yes," @Sacred_Path.

 

I mean sure, there are people who take the SJ thing a bit too far maybe,* but that's peanuts compared to the sheer amount of venom the GamerGate side of the fence can muster up.

 

*F.ex. P:E should be commended for having such diverse and interesting companions as Kana Rua, Sagani, and Pallegina, all backed up with fully fleshed-out cultures based on precedents rarely used in fantasy cRPG's, rather than admonished for having too many white males.

 

FFS PJ you're a smart guy with lots of interesting thing to say, but your constant partisan sniping is getting old. Finding the SJW thing boring doesn't immediately put you in the GamersGate side of the fence. Stop straw-manning.

[PrimeJunta]

 

About fifty pages worth of two locked threads says "yes," @Sacred_Path.

 

I mean sure, there are people who take the SJ thing a bit too far maybe,* but that's peanuts compared to the sheer amount of venom the GamerGate side of the fence can muster up.

 

*F.ex. P:E should be commended for having such diverse and interesting companions as Kana Rua, Sagani, and Pallegina, all backed up with fully fleshed-out cultures based on precedents rarely used in fantasy cRPG's, rather than admonished for having too many white males.

 

FFS PJ you're a smart guy with lots of interesting thing to say, but your constant partisan sniping is getting old. Finding the SJW thing boring doesn't immediately put you in the GamersGate side of the fence. Stop straw-manning.

 

I know, 'cuz I'm finding it boring also.

 

Regrettably it's still necessary.

 

I'm not ashamed of my allegiance though. Proud Communist, feminist ally, and social justice warrior here.

[DCParry]

The OP is clearly an infantile idiot. 

 

Using SJW as an insult is just as infantile. Head back to the Codex or the Escapist with that ****. 

 

PSA: This game was made a group of people who believe in what characterize as a SJW agenda.

[CaptainMace]

 

 feminist ally

 

 

Hehe. C wut u did ther m8.

[Namutree]

I know, 'cuz I'm finding it boring also.

Regrettably it's still necessary.

 

Very necessary; all that fun isn't going to inexplicably erase it's self.

[PrimeJunta]

Yeah I know. Damn girls demanding we take down that sign from the treehouse door.

[Monte Carlo]

Ah, so PJ outs himself as a Gramscian long-marcher after all. A shame really.

[Namutree]

Yeah I know. Damn girls demanding we take down that sign from the treehouse door.

It's mostly dudes who've decided that the tree house is bad because some of the girls they speak for don't want in, and thus the tree house must be torn down. There is no sign, nor ever was.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Namutree

[Zwiebelchen]

 

Wow. You do not know it, but you are very wrong.

Germany has since 2002 legalized brothers, and the *workers* there are as you say, in control of their own lives - to the extent that they can chose between poverty in former Soviet Bloc countries or relative poverty, but then they have to let **** into them on a regular basis. 

 

Anyway there is an article about this very thing in the OP, go check it.

 

 

Seriously, do you even know what you are talking about? Germany legalized prostitution because that makes it easier for legislative and executive to control and get the workers (the only real losers in the sex industry gamble) out of illegality. It's the same reason why weed is legal in the netherlands.

[Sacred_Path]

 

 

I'm not ashamed of my allegiance though. Proud Communist, feminist ally, and social justice warrior here.

 

For every self declared feminist you bring who campaigns against prostitution I'll raise you one who hails prostitution and porn as a symbol of female empowerment and autonomy.

 

Which is why his point is simply silly. Prostitution is controversial, far from being a one-sided affair. And since Obsidian probably doesn't want to and definitely can't resolve the matter, the only PC thing this would bring about is simply omittance. And omitting things for fear of controversy is detrimental to the idea of art.

[Monte Carlo]

Yeah I know. Damn girls demanding we take down that sign from the treehouse door.

 

There goes that strawman again! Careful, you'll run out of them soon.

[Emc2]

So is this basically the Hatred-debate on a smaller scale? And then there's GTA, Binding of Isaac etc...

 

I honestly sometimes wonder what these people get from these debates. You are worried about niche game set in fictional world with PEGI 16 rating giving bonuses for sleeping with prostitutes while the game encourages you to kill people and sometimes the peaceful solution benefits you the least. Also 50SoG, Game of Thrones... they are even more accessible than this game and have way more questionable representation of this subject.

 

TBH I don't really mind these debates as long as they won't stray into the territory of personal insults and pitchforking.

[PrimeJunta]

 

I'm not ashamed of my allegiance though. Proud Communist, feminist ally, and social justice warrior here.

 

For every self declared feminist you bring who campaigns against prostitution I'll raise you one who hails prostitution and porn as a symbol of female empowerment and autonomy.

 

Which is why his point is simply silly. Prostitution is controversial, far from being a one-sided affair. And since Obsidian probably doesn't want to and definitely can't resolve the matter, the only PC thing this would bring about is simply omittance. And omitting things for fear of controversy is detrimental to the idea of art.

 

I actually don't object to prostitution, in the game or IRL. Many things related to it, for sure, but there are plenty of sex workers who enjoy their jobs and I think it would be silly for me to tell them what they should think. But that's a tangent.

 

I'm just pointing out the nerd rage produced by someone objecting to it... and then them calling the other side touchy.

[DCParry]

 

I'm not ashamed of my allegiance though. Proud Communist, feminist ally, and social justice warrior here.

 

For every self declared feminist you bring who campaigns against prostitution I'll raise you one who hails prostitution and porn as a symbol of female empowerment and autonomy.

 

Which is why his point is simply silly. Prostitution is controversial, far from being a one-sided affair. And since Obsidian probably doesn't want to and definitely can't resolve the matter, the only PC thing this would bring about is simply omittance. And omitting things for fear of controversy is detrimental to the idea of art.

 

 

You missed the point. PJ wasn't agreeing with the OP. The OP is an idiot. He was commenting on the people in the tread using SJW (in this case, incorrectly, since the OP seems to speaking from a, let's say, more conservative view point) as an insult.

[Sacred_Path]

 

 

I actually don't object to prostitution, in the game or IRL. Many things related to it, for sure, but there are plenty of sex workers who enjoy their jobs and I think it would be silly for me to tell them what they should think. But that's a tangent.

I'm just pointing out the nerd rage produced by someone objecting to it... and then them calling the other side touchy.

 

 

The OP was making a fool of himself. He could just as well have objected to killable characters/ monsters in the game. The reason why he also got some 'rage' and not only ridicule is that such ridiculous complaints are, sadly, not going to go unheard nowadays.

[Mlatimudan]

I am a supporter on the side of social justice(if that was even a term offline, more like rights and social security) for everyone but complaints like these are truly silly.

 

Pretending that a resting bonus has anything to do with the perception of prostitution in real life has nothing to do with any kind of justice or any kind of society. It is just dumb.

 

(although getting an STD and a resting malus instead would have been hilarious and it is a missed comedic moment).

[Namutree]

 

 

You missed the point. PJ wasn't agreeing with the OP. The OP is an idiot. He was commenting on the people in the tread using SJW (in this case, incorrectly, since the OP seems to speaking from a, let's say, more conservative view point) as an insult.

 

Did you read his first link? It's social workers, not traditionalists. This is SJW work.

[Chilloutman]

 

 

I'm not ashamed of my allegiance though. Proud Communist, feminist ally, and social justice warrior here.

 

For every self declared feminist you bring who campaigns against prostitution I'll raise you one who hails prostitution and porn as a symbol of female empowerment and autonomy.

 

Which is why his point is simply silly. Prostitution is controversial, far from being a one-sided affair. And since Obsidian probably doesn't want to and definitely can't resolve the matter, the only PC thing this would bring about is simply omittance. And omitting things for fear of controversy is detrimental to the idea of art.

 

I actually don't object to prostitution, in the game or IRL. Many things related to it, for sure, but there are plenty of sex workers who enjoy their jobs and I think it would be silly for me to tell them what they should think. But that's a tangent.

 

I'm just pointing out the nerd rage produced by someone objecting to it... and then them calling the other side touchy.

 

 

I would gladly enjoy those guys, problem is that if we dont get 'nerd rage' they are actually winning in pushing those crazy ideas upton us. Look on Obs, they are considering removing that memorial joke. Yeah if they would not I would gladly ignore it

[Zwiebelchen]

(although getting an STD and a resting malus instead would have been hilarious and it is a missed comedic moment).

 

I wouldn't bet on it. I'm pretty sure if we had that, then some internet activists would come out of their rabbitholes to set the boards on fire about how Obsidian is accusing all prostitutes of not using physical contraception.

[Namutree]

 

(although getting an STD and a resting malus instead would have been hilarious and it is a missed comedic moment).

 

I wouldn't bet on it. I'm pretty sure if we had that, then some internet activists would come out of their rabbitholes to set the boards on fire about how Obsidian is accusing all prostitutes of not using physical contraception.

 

It still would've been funny. Obviously SJW's would be upset as it's a thing, and if it exists it can be offensive. If it offends; it must be removed!