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[Gorth]

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Titanium Dragon, one of the only pro-GG editors on the Wikipedia article on #GamerGate, has been banned.

http://i.imgur.com/gYvqWOA.jpg

 

Especially the gamergate article at wikipedia is really onesided. Almost everything anti-GG is stated as a fact and pro-GG stuff is always "alleged" if it's even mentioned.

[Blarghagh]

That's what bothers me most about this, all the censorship and not being able to have an opinion. And I don't mean that it'll get shouted down, I mean you become a target for more serious threats.

 

I am increasingly weary of GamerGate, especially because harassment is still being carried out in its name, and I have stopped "flying the colors" so to speak, but on a whole the hardline cultural marxists on the anti-gamergate side are by far the most terrible people I have ever encountered on the internet. I've seen some of the nonsense leveled at women in online games with my own eyes, hell I've been harassed because people made me out to be an "SJW" before, but that is practically benign compared to the stuff these people are doing. Sending random people envelopes filled with white powder and unsheathed syringes for tweeting in support of #GamerGate or #NotYourShield, calling their employers with false allegations and getting them fired? Publicly outing trans and homosexual people who identified with #NotYourShield to their families and friends? I kindof get it when people harass and theaten the forefront people, like the Breitbart guy or Sarkeesian. I condemn it, but I see why they would be targeted by hardline idiots on both sides. But random people who just made a couple of nonoffensive tweets with a hashtag? That's beyond reprehensible.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Sending random people envelopes filled with white powder and unsheathed syringes for tweeting in support of #GamerGate or #NotYourShield, calling their employers with false allegations and getting them fired? Publicly outing trans and homosexual people who identified with #NotYourShield to their families and friends? 

 

Wow, that's... beyond ****ty. Links please?

[Blarghagh]

Looking for them now. The #GamerGate tag is going so fast it's hard to find anything again.

 

Here's the first instance of a syringe, which was against the Breitbart guy, but the syringe has been reported more often:

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/513666683916255232

 

Trans person being threatened with getting outed (I verified that the tweets exist, this is just easier) over the phone:

https://twitter.com/FartToContinue/status/513180768752115712/photo/1

 

Jason Miller, the black man who claims to have started #NotYourShield and is not a member of 4chan, was fired after his employers received complaints of "misogynist behaviour". Can't find the source but he reported it personally. I just keep forgetting what his twitter feed is and when I google his name I just get some wrestler.

 

Wanting to get a journalist covering GamerGate positively to be arrested. (Could be the Breitbart guy again, don't know any others)

https://archive.today/N56fj

 

White powder was a friend of mine who shall remain unnamed. Sorry.

 

Can't find the source for Jason Miller getting fired. Sorry.

 

Did find this though: https://twitter.com/DoctorWatkins/status/514185951435046912/photo/1

Edited September 23, 2014 by TrueNeutral

[BruceVC]

Looking for them now. The #GamerGate tag is going so fast it's hard to find anything again.

 

Here's the first instance of a syringe, which was against the Breitbart guy, but the syringe has been reported more often:

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/513666683916255232

 

Trans person being threatened with getting outed (I verified that the tweets exist, this is just easier) over the phone:

https://twitter.com/FartToContinue/status/513180768752115712/photo/1

 

Jason Miller, the black man who claims to have started #NotYourShield and is not a member of 4chan, was fired after his employers received complaints of "misogynist behaviour". Can't find the source but he reported it personally. I just keep forgetting what his twitter feed is and when I google his name I just get some wrestler.

 

Wanting to get a journalist covering GamerGate positively to be arrested. (Could be the Breitbart guy again, don't know any others)

https://archive.today/N56fj

 

White powder was a friend of mine who shall remain unnamed. Sorry.

 

Can't find the source for Jason Miller getting fired. Sorry.

 

Did find this though: https://twitter.com/DoctorWatkins/status/514185951435046912/photo/1

 

No offense TN but is social media really irrefutable proof of anything? Like that photo of the syringe...how do you know its real?

 

Can you possibly post some credible links that can be verified?

[TrashMan]

That's what bothers me most about this, all the censorship and not being able to have an opinion. And I don't mean that it'll get shouted down, I mean you become a target for more serious threats.

 

I am increasingly weary of GamerGate, especially because harassment is still being carried out in its name, and I have stopped "flying the colors" so to speak, but on a whole the hardline cultural marxists on the anti-gamergate side are by far the most terrible people I have ever encountered on the internet. I've seen some of the nonsense leveled at women in online games with my own eyes, hell I've been harassed because people made me out to be an "SJW" before, but that is practically benign compared to the stuff these people are doing. Sending random people envelopes filled with white powder and unsheathed syringes for tweeting in support of #GamerGate or #NotYourShield, calling their employers with false allegations and getting them fired? Publicly outing trans and homosexual people who identified with #NotYourShield to their families and friends? I kindof get it when people harass and theaten the forefront people, like the Breitbart guy or Sarkeesian. I condemn it, but I see why they would be targeted by hardline idiots on both sides. But random people who just made a couple of nonoffensive tweets with a hashtag? That's beyond reprehensible.

 

I find that subjects like these on the internet tends to bring out the worst extremist ever. On both sides. And both are equally wrong..in different ways.

 

The worst is the totalitarian view of "you're either 100% with me or 100% against me".. and the dirty tactics both sides are more than willing to ignore. Both sides like to pressure whomever doesn't agree in any way they can. Both are very selective in their data. Both suck.

 

And trying to stay as neutral as possible gets you flamed by both sides. I can't even agree with 90% of what someone is saying.. not, it's has to be 100% or "GTFO you monster!"

 

Just recently I've been warned by the owner of another forum to case voicing my opinion as such opinions are not welcomed here. Even tough I agreed with the stupidity of attacks on female gamers, the disgusting lengths to which some would go to, fabrication of data, vitirol, etc..

What I didn't agree on was that anyone posting death threats is a monster - childish boys will act like stupid boys and threatening to kill someone isn't uncommon and such impotent threats - as distasteful and stupid as they are - are not really a cause for alarm.

As soon as I posted that I was subject by the "holier than thou" speech of how defending such filth has no place in a civilized world and that I must case and desist spreading such hertical thoughts.

 

Internet is a d*** farm. You can't go two paces without running into d***.

[Blarghagh]

 

Looking for them now. The #GamerGate tag is going so fast it's hard to find anything again.

 

Here's the first instance of a syringe, which was against the Breitbart guy, but the syringe has been reported more often:

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/513666683916255232

 

Trans person being threatened with getting outed (I verified that the tweets exist, this is just easier) over the phone:

https://twitter.com/FartToContinue/status/513180768752115712/photo/1

 

Jason Miller, the black man who claims to have started #NotYourShield and is not a member of 4chan, was fired after his employers received complaints of "misogynist behaviour". Can't find the source but he reported it personally. I just keep forgetting what his twitter feed is and when I google his name I just get some wrestler.

 

Wanting to get a journalist covering GamerGate positively to be arrested. (Could be the Breitbart guy again, don't know any others)

https://archive.today/N56fj

 

White powder was a friend of mine who shall remain unnamed. Sorry.

 

Can't find the source for Jason Miller getting fired. Sorry.

 

Did find this though: https://twitter.com/DoctorWatkins/status/514185951435046912/photo/1

 

No offense TN but is social media really irrefutable proof of anything? Like that photo of the syringe...how do you know its real?

 

Can you possibly post some credible links that can be verified?

 

 

The person who posted that particular claim of getting the syringe is the Breitbart journalist who wrote the articles regarding the GameJournoPros list. He is a verifiable person and not some anonymous internet user. Just because it's a social media link doesn't mean it's not a reputable person.

 

I suppose there is a possibility that he faked it but thus far he's been, though transparently politically right wing, as truthful as possible. It's mentioned again in this article:

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/22/They-re-on-to-us-gaming-journalists-respond-to-their-critics-in-series-of-new-GameJournoPros-emails/

 

The thing is, there is a possibility that everything is faked or misrepresented. We cannot verify claims of people on the internet at all.

 

However, what I can verify is the people close to me who have been victims of abuse by this group, such as an instance of a powder letter or my girlfriend being consistently belittled and referred to as a "sockpuppet" for criticizing games journalists and as such being my personal experience I am inclined to take other reports of this happening more seriously.

 

To be completely fair, I would be remiss to not include that people on the other side are also being harassed. Openly, GamerGate has condemned these actions but they still keep being carried out in GamerGate's name and therefore I cannot in good conscience keep supporting them as a movement. Swatting attempts on members of the GameJournoPros list, especially the ones that don't seem to have even been involved in the controversy, are beyond disturbing. I would still say, however, that GamerGate, by openly condemning those actions, still morally has the high ground over the anti-GamerGate people who by and large have refused to even acknowledge that GamerGate people are being harassed (or in fact, in some cases, even acknowledge that some GamerGate people exist at all judging by the continued marginalisation of #NotYourShield as "sockpuppets" and "weaponized minorities").

Edited September 23, 2014 by TrueNeutral

[Malcador]

No offense TN but is social media really irrefutable proof of anything? Like that photo of the syringe...how do you know its real?

 

Can you possibly post some credible links that can be verified?

Why are you victim blaming, Bruce ?

 

Listen and believe!

[Blarghagh]

My question is what more credible links could I provide in the first place? Discussion of this is being censored almost everywhere and the people this is about are also the people making the news in the first place. All we have to go on is social media.

[Nonek]

Yes looking at this from a moderate stance it's utterly damning, if anything the social justice fascists have shown themselves to be far worse than the anarchists making threats, as they haven't actually done anything. The fascists however are complicit in corruption, censorships, threats and conspiracy, they have proven themselves to be immoral, unethical and childish fanatics. Colluding to halt any discussions or opposing viewpoints, which have been largely well behaved and reasoned. They seem to positively despise logic and detail, such as Thunderfoot or Ms Sommers display in there entirely reasonable videos.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Looking for them now. The #GamerGate tag is going so fast it's hard to find anything again.

 

Here's the first instance of a syringe, which was against the Breitbart guy, but the syringe has been reported more often:

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/513666683916255232

 

Trans person being threatened with getting outed (I verified that the tweets exist, this is just easier) over the phone:

https://twitter.com/FartToContinue/status/513180768752115712/photo/1

 

Jason Miller, the black man who claims to have started #NotYourShield and is not a member of 4chan, was fired after his employers received complaints of "misogynist behaviour". Can't find the source but he reported it personally. I just keep forgetting what his twitter feed is and when I google his name I just get some wrestler.

 

Wanting to get a journalist covering GamerGate positively to be arrested. (Could be the Breitbart guy again, don't know any others)

https://archive.today/N56fj

 

White powder was a friend of mine who shall remain unnamed. Sorry.

 

Can't find the source for Jason Miller getting fired. Sorry.

 

Did find this though: https://twitter.com/DoctorWatkins/status/514185951435046912/photo/1

What a bunch of ****. I think staying off Twitter was a good move on my part.

[BruceVC]

 

No offense TN but is social media really irrefutable proof of anything? Like that photo of the syringe...how do you know its real?

 

Can you possibly post some credible links that can be verified?

Why are you victim blaming, Bruce ?

 

Listen and believe!

 

 

 

My question is what more credible links could I provide in the first place? Discussion of this is being censored almost everywhere and the people this is about are also the people making the news in the first place. All we have to go on is social media.

 

Guys seriously, all I'm going to say is if you endeavour to partake in truthful and interesting debates where you make a point from a position of intellectualism ( and I assume this applies to all of us ) and when asked to substantiate your point all you can produce is Twitter comments.....you are in big trouble of people questioning the validity and credibility of that information

 

 " Do you guys want to know something the USA is building prisons on the moon and will be sending all Islamic extremists there to serve there sentence. Its true, I read it on Twitter"

 

You see my point

[BruceVC]

Yes looking at this from a moderate stance it's utterly damning, if anything the social justice fascists have shown themselves to be far worse than the anarchists making threats, as they haven't actually done anything. The fascists however are complicit in corruption, censorships, threats and conspiracy, they have proven themselves to be immoral, unethical and childish fanatics. Colluding to halt any discussions or opposing viewpoints, which have been largely well behaved and reasoned. They seem to positively despise logic and detail, such as Thunderfoot or Ms Sommers display in there entirely reasonable videos.

 

Nonek the word " fascists" is a naughty word, we don't like to call people that. Its like playing the Hitler card, its just hyperbole and theatrics  It should be below you

[Malcador]

Guys seriously, all I'm going to say is if you endeavour to partake in truthful and interesting debates where you make a point from a position of intellectualism ( and I assume this applies to all of us ) and when asked to substantiate your point all you can produce is Twitter comments.....you are in big trouble of people questioning the validity and credibility of that information

 

 " Do you guys want to know something the USA is building prisons on the moon and will be sending all Islamic extremists there to serve there sentence. Its true, I read it on Twitter"

 

You see my point

So, when Quinn posts stuff on Twitter about her abuse or Sarkeesian 'quotes' stuff there as well, you're ok with doubting that, correct ? I was told that was a big no no.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Guys seriously, all I'm going to say is if you endeavour to partake in truthful and interesting debates where you make a point from a position of intellectualism ( and I assume this applies to all of us ) and when asked to substantiate your point all you can produce is Twitter comments.....you are in big trouble of people questioning the validity and credibility of that information

 

" Do you guys want to know something the USA is building prisons on the moon and will be sending all Islamic extremists there to serve there sentence. Its true, I read it on Twitter"

 

You see my point

So, when Quinn posts stuff on Twitter about her abuse or Sarkeesian 'quotes' stuff there as well, you're ok with doubting that, correct ? I was told that was a big no no.

That's different Malc, they're SJWs so they would never lie.

[JadedWolf]

 

Yes looking at this from a moderate stance it's utterly damning, if anything the social justice fascists have shown themselves to be far worse than the anarchists making threats, as they haven't actually done anything. The fascists however are complicit in corruption, censorships, threats and conspiracy, they have proven themselves to be immoral, unethical and childish fanatics. Colluding to halt any discussions or opposing viewpoints, which have been largely well behaved and reasoned. They seem to positively despise logic and detail, such as Thunderfoot or Ms Sommers display in there entirely reasonable videos.

 

Nonek the word " fascists" is a naughty word, we don't like to call people that. Its like playing the Hitler card, its just hyperbole and theatrics  It should be below you

 

 

He probably just forgot to put a winkie emoticon after it.

 

[Blarghagh]

Bruce

 

Despite the fact that I did supply a link as you said as well as that I consider people I am very close to, personally to be pretty damn credible sources, there is no credible source in the term of objective journalistic reports as nobody with credibility is reporting on this on either side. There is no such thing as a trustworthy journalism in this case as they are building a different narrative than what is actually happening. Also, you equate fascism with Hitler to evoke Godwin's law but fascism is not defined by Nazism. It's a false equivelancy and evoking Godwin's law on it is intellectually dishonest.

 

Not to mention that I don't think mentioning Hitler should invalidate a discussion in the first place. Godwin's law has made a very real threat of history repeating itself taboo to speak about and that is never good.

 

If anything, the entire censorship of the discussion has me recalling this quote: "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."

 

Not to say that I equate this stuff with the plight of black people in America or that GamerGate has Malcolm X on it's side, but censorship is an incredibly scary tool and any side that uses it should be condemned wholeheartedly by anyone who believes in equal treatment and freedom of speech.

[BruceVC]

 

 

Yes looking at this from a moderate stance it's utterly damning, if anything the social justice fascists have shown themselves to be far worse than the anarchists making threats, as they haven't actually done anything. The fascists however are complicit in corruption, censorships, threats and conspiracy, they have proven themselves to be immoral, unethical and childish fanatics. Colluding to halt any discussions or opposing viewpoints, which have been largely well behaved and reasoned. They seem to positively despise logic and detail, such as Thunderfoot or Ms Sommers display in there entirely reasonable videos.

 

Nonek the word " fascists" is a naughty word, we don't like to call people that. Its like playing the Hitler card, its just hyperbole and theatrics  It should be below you

 

 

He probably just forgot to put a winkie emoticon after it.

 

You not still annoyed with me about that Neo-Nazi comment are you, you know I was teasing you

[Nonek]

 

 

Nonek the word " fascists" is a naughty word, we don't like to call people that. Its like playing the Hitler card, its just hyperbole and theatrics  It should be below you

 

 

Then they should stop acting like fascists Bruce, the term is very fitting considering what they are preaching and their censorship of any dissenting opinion. I realise they're young self righteous people, who want to fit in with a fashionable demographic, but that doesn't make their actions any less repulsive to anybody with ethical values. See what we see, say what we say, think as we think and do as we command was an absolutely evil mantra, and should not be excused by anyone with an interest in not seeing such horrors occur again.

 

And I for one am against the steady deconstruction of free speech that the social justice fascists are championing.

[BruceVC]

 

Guys seriously, all I'm going to say is if you endeavour to partake in truthful and interesting debates where you make a point from a position of intellectualism ( and I assume this applies to all of us ) and when asked to substantiate your point all you can produce is Twitter comments.....you are in big trouble of people questioning the validity and credibility of that information

 

 " Do you guys want to know something the USA is building prisons on the moon and will be sending all Islamic extremists there to serve there sentence. Its true, I read it on Twitter"

 

You see my point

So, when Quinn posts stuff on Twitter about her abuse or Sarkeesian 'quotes' stuff there as well, you're ok with doubting that, correct ? I was told that was a big no no.

 

 

 

 

 

Guys seriously, all I'm going to say is if you endeavour to partake in truthful and interesting debates where you make a point from a position of intellectualism ( and I assume this applies to all of us ) and when asked to substantiate your point all you can produce is Twitter comments.....you are in big trouble of people questioning the validity and credibility of that information

 

" Do you guys want to know something the USA is building prisons on the moon and will be sending all Islamic extremists there to serve there sentence. Its true, I read it on Twitter"

 

You see my point

So, when Quinn posts stuff on Twitter about her abuse or Sarkeesian 'quotes' stuff there as well, you're ok with doubting that, correct ? I was told that was a big no no.

That's different Malc, they're SJWs so they would never lie.

 

There is a propaganda war going on from both sides and people like you are falling for it. They use the easily influenced to spread the misinformation, not all information is false but don't think for a second there isn't an orchestrated campaign to align people to either side. Stop being manipulated

 

No I don't believe Twitter comments, I need real links that I can verify. Have you ever known me to post Twitter links

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

 

Guys seriously, all I'm going to say is if you endeavour to partake in truthful and interesting debates where you make a point from a position of intellectualism ( and I assume this applies to all of us ) and when asked to substantiate your point all you can produce is Twitter comments.....you are in big trouble of people questioning the validity and credibility of that information

 

" Do you guys want to know something the USA is building prisons on the moon and will be sending all Islamic extremists there to serve there sentence. Its true, I read it on Twitter"

 

You see my point

So, when Quinn posts stuff on Twitter about her abuse or Sarkeesian 'quotes' stuff there as well, you're ok with doubting that, correct ? I was told that was a big no no.

 

 

Guys seriously, all I'm going to say is if you endeavour to partake in truthful and interesting debates where you make a point from a position of intellectualism ( and I assume this applies to all of us ) and when asked to substantiate your point all you can produce is Twitter comments.....you are in big trouble of people questioning the validity and credibility of that information

 

" Do you guys want to know something the USA is building prisons on the moon and will be sending all Islamic extremists there to serve there sentence. Its true, I read it on Twitter"

 

You see my point

So, when Quinn posts stuff on Twitter about her abuse or Sarkeesian 'quotes' stuff there as well, you're ok with doubting that, correct ? I was told that was a big no no.

That's different Malc, they're SJWs so they would never lie.

There is a propaganda war going on from both sides and people like you are falling for it. They use the easily influenced to spread the misinformation, not all information is false but don't think for a second there isn't an orchestrated campaign to align people to either side. Stop being manipulated

 

No I don't believe Twitter comments, I need real links that I can verify. Have you ever known me to post Twitter links

So you aren't convinced Quinn in being harassed. Good to know.

[Malcador]

There is a propaganda war going on from both sides and people like you are falling for it. They use the easily influenced to spread the misinformation, not all information is false but don't think for a second there isn't an orchestrated campaign to align people to either side. Stop being manipulated

 

No I don't believe Twitter comments, I need real links that I can verify. Have you ever known me to post Twitter links

Bruce stating there are campaigns behind the scenes, who would have foreseen this ? Okay then, you answered my question then.

[Nonek]

Electronic media is a fantastic method of gathering facts, checking what people have said and disseminating their views, that is why private investigators love it. It should not be discounted because the fascists have been caught spouting their toxic hate mongering on private chat rooms, and it is far more durable and hard to eradicate than pen and ink. Also we all know that the social justice fascists like to preach and sermonise, so they are all too easily caught in their own webs of lies and doublespeak.

 

With the traditional press mainly representing the biased views of the social justice fascists, electronic media as used in the Arab spring is a fantastic way to spread truth and the message they are desperately censoring. When free speech is threatened by censorhip, as these people are attempting, any weapon is useful in the fight against such detestable practises.

 

Edit: 4chan are foisting a conspiracy upon the world by discussing gamergate in a public chat room, but game journalists coordinating strategy in a private chat room is of course utterly innocent. The IQ's and two facedness of the SJF's and their patsys really cannot be underestimated.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Nonek

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Electronic media is a fantastic method of gathering facts, checking what people have said and disseminating their views, that is why private investigators love it. It should not be discounted because the fascists have been caught spouting their toxic hate mongering on private chat rooms, and it is far more durable and hard to eradicate than pen and ink. Also we all know that the social justice fascists like to preach and sermonise, so they are all too easily caught in their own webs of lies and doublespeak.

 

With the traditional press mainly representing the biased views of the social justice fascists, electronic media as used in the Arab spring is a fantastic way to spread truth and the message they are desperately censoring. When free speech is threatened by censorhip, as these people are attempting, any weapon is useful in the fight against such detestable practises.

How dare you impugn their honor, churl. I'm going to send you envelopes and harass your family over Twitter.

[Nonek]

I'm short of envelopes lately, much obliged. It's my job to harass my family however.