No Arrows Good thing or bad?

[Gromnir]

that would be interesting to see.

 

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity/posts/691086

 

given that the kickstarter had ~74,000 backers, and we is aware o' some paypal-only contributors, we would be fascinated to see a poll or somesuch similar device generate +37,000 arrow proponents. am actual doubting we could get +37,0000 backers to agree that the ie games were worthy of reproducing and improving with current (2013/14) tech, in spite o' the fact that such were the espoused goal o' the kisckstarter.

 

is not a big deal to us either way, but am always fascinated by messageboard feedback that reveals the majority will.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[DigitalCrack]

Yeah no arrows. Would rather have it be apart of talents.

[Ink Blot]

Not in favor.

[Marceror]

Favor.

[Shevek]

 

 

I was not a fan of arrows. They just seemed unnecessary. In BG2, I just went for Firetooth on my Archer even though it sucked compared to Tuigan because I didnt want to deal with arrow foolishness. They took up way too much inventory space and I did not feel compelled to swap arrow types often. If anything, I ended up hoarding a bunch of special arrows and never actually doing anything with them.

Which would mean that the firetooth wouldn't be an awesome reward anymore, because it wouldn't be as special anymore. It would just be another bow that doesn't require any arrows just like the rest of the bows in the game.

How do you know? Maybe different bows can have different elemental effects. You can still have a unique fire crossbow but what makes an item desirable shouldnt be it subverting poor game design.

[Helm]

The idea is very good, but I like how it was done in BG2. You have regular and special arrows and can find very special bows that don't require arrows.

 

How do you make a poll?

No idea my friend.

 

I dunno. I kinda dont. Arrows suck in the ie games. I was happy to get firetooth just to not have to micromanage that stuff in bg2.

Which would mean that the firetooth wouldn't be an as awesome reward anymore, because it wouldn't be as special anymore. It would just be another bow that doesn't require any arrows just like the rest of the bows in the game. It would still be powerful but less special.

 

I really liked stuff like this in BG2.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Helm

[ctn2003]

In the last post people called (no arrows) a dumbing down of the rpg elements and if their a second game POE 2 people are scarred itl be like Dragon age 2 D: 

[Shevek]

Helm:

So, the devs should make bows crappy by design and then make players happy when they find 1 special bow isnt completely crappy?

Edited August 29, 2014 by Shevek

[ctn2003]

No they should make it like BG wher when you found a good bow + 3 you get arrows or peiring + 7 to Th0co then you have a great chance to kill something tough for a wile.   Not dumb down the bows to do so.

[Helm]

Helm:

So, the devs should make bows crappy by design and then make players happy when they find 1 special bow isnt completely crappy?

No, the player should be able to replace that very good bow that uses arrows with an awesome one that doesn't use arrows. There should also be a tradeoff in certain cases, not every arrowless bow needs to be super powerful.

 

This is what I consider to be good itemization. BG2 had the best itemization in any RPG to date because of stuff like this.

[Helm]

No they should make it like BG wher when you found a good bow + 3 you get arrows or peiring + 7 to Th0co then you have a great chance to kill something tough for a wile.   Not dumb down the bows to do so.

That is also a very good point. You can use special arrows to take down tough foes. You can't really do that if every bow in the game doesn't use any arrows at all.

[Shevek]

Bg2 has terrible itemization. It full of ridiculously op items that marginalized character development, enemy enchantment to hit requirements that trivialized items (or even weapon types) often before they were acquired and extremely poor item balance whereby party composition was often dictated by players metagaming and planning their party around item drops. I am very happy Obsidian is taking a long hard look at this stuff and making some changes.

[ctn2003]

Exactly its makes the game more fun when theirs more than 1 way to make a bow strong.

[ctn2003]

It makes bows more uslfull.  otherwise you just throw it out for a crossbow OR a flippen GUN~!

[Gromnir]

we got no problem with arrows. that being said, depending how magic items work, magic ammo can be... troubling. bg arrows o' detonation and arrows o' piercing were silly powerful... am suspecting qa were out to lunch when those items were being tested. 'course we doubt obsidian developers would make such obvious balancing mistakes. nevertheless, using ie game parlance, if you stack a +3 arrow with a +3 bow, you end up with a functional +6 weapon... which in d&d, were epic stuff like the Sword of Kas and various artifacts o' Epic Power. nevertheless, magic ammo and launcher made the +6 powha almost too common. heck, you were required to have +1 or +3 weapons to hit some critters,  so such magic ammo were a virtual necessity... 'course that meant any magic launcher were functional overkill.

 

we don't mind arrows, but we suspect it were simple easier to abandon for purposes o' balance... and 'cause we got such small inventory anyway in PoE, arrows (particularly specialized arrows) would create even more space-saving concerns.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[ctn2003]

Why use a bow at this point if theirs guns?..with arrows itl make the bow more usfull

[Helm]

 

 

I was not a fan of arrows. They just seemed unnecessary. In BG2, I just went for Firetooth on my Archer even though it sucked compared to Tuigan because I didnt want to deal with arrow foolishness. They took up way too much inventory space and I did not feel compelled to swap arrow types often. If anything, I ended up hoarding a bunch of special arrows and never actually doing anything with them.

Which would mean that the firetooth wouldn't be an awesome reward anymore, because it wouldn't be as special anymore. It would just be another bow that doesn't require any arrows just like the rest of the bows in the game.

How do you know? Maybe different bows can have different elemental effects. You can still have a unique fire crossbow but what makes an item desirable shouldnt be it subverting poor game design.

 

Having bows with arrows and (more or less powerful) bows without arrows is poor game design? Wat. xD

 

Anyway, I know because I played BG2 and that game has the best itemization to date. You don't need different types of bows, just different types of arrows.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Helm

[ctn2003]

space. true lol at the moment their barley any space all all

[Helm]

Bg2 has terrible itemization. It full of ridiculously op items that marginalized character development

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

I am very happy Obsidian is taking a long hard look at this stuff and making some changes.

They are dumbing quite a bit down as it seems. I think you'll like it.

[Seari]

Bg2 has terrible itemization. It full of ridiculously op items that marginalized character development, enemy enchantment to hit requirements that trivialized items (or even weapon types) often before they were acquired and extremely poor item balance whereby party composition was often dictated by players metagaming and planning their party around item drops. I am very happy Obsidian is taking a long hard look at this stuff and making some changes.

Some of your posts really make me rage inside.

[Leferd]

Why use a bow at this point if theirs guns?..with arrows itl make the bow more usfull

I'd take a matchlock over a bow any day. As would most armies. Even Nobunaga's.

[Shevek]

 

 

Bg2 has terrible itemization. It full of ridiculously op items that marginalized character development, enemy enchantment to hit requirements that trivialized items (or even weapon types) often before they were acquired and extremely poor item balance whereby party composition was often dictated by players metagaming and planning their party around item drops. I am very happy Obsidian is taking a long hard look at this stuff and making some changes.

Some of your posts really make me rage inside.

Truth hurts

[Shevek]

You know because you say so? I bet you were the leader of your high school debate team.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Shevek

[wanderon]

 

 

 

I was not a fan of arrows. They just seemed unnecessary. In BG2, I just went for Firetooth on my Archer even though it sucked compared to Tuigan because I didnt want to deal with arrow foolishness. They took up way too much inventory space and I did not feel compelled to swap arrow types often. If anything, I ended up hoarding a bunch of special arrows and never actually doing anything with them.

Which would mean that the firetooth wouldn't be an awesome reward anymore, because it wouldn't be as special anymore. It would just be another bow that doesn't require any arrows just like the rest of the bows in the game.

How do you know? Maybe different bows can have different elemental effects. You can still have a unique fire crossbow but what makes an item desirable shouldnt be it subverting poor game design.

 

Having bows with arrows and (more or less powerful) bows without arrows is poor game design? Wat. xD

 

Anyway, I know because I played BG2 and that game has the best itemization to date. You don't need different types of bows, just different types of arrows.

 

 Yet both games in the BG series did in fact have different bows along with crossbows slings and darts or are we to ignore that part of the best itemization to date? 

[Corivar]

No

This

Edited August 29, 2014 by Corivar