obyknven Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I am acutely aware of that, but whenever such a creature makes it into a position of power, I am shocked. This shouldn't become the norm. Position of power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 The only shocking revelation here is that this guy is actually flaunting his beliefs, and at the same time is not articulate enough—in English—to assemble anything but a paper-thin defense of his stance ("scientific figures published by, uh... scientists!" LOL). Most elected officials are simply a tad smarter—just about enough to make nice and pretend they care about the peasants they tread on. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Google says it's Esperanto for 'hysteria'. In the accusative, as it were. This is ancient Roman name for actors, dancers, singers. Romans consider this profession as very pathetic, job for slaves and degradated plebs, jobs don't different from prostitution or gladiator fights. In later times status of this profession is not better. European word "Minstrel" originated from latin word "ministerialis" = servant. They do nothing real or useful, they just make rude pleasure to crowd ( or master ), as prostitutes do also, nobody don't have respect for them... And such people is idols of modern western society, it's looks really strange for me ( I yet can remeber time when we have cult of scientists/explorers (cosmonauts)/medics/writers/warriors instead of this ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 ... Did.... did obyknven just make sense? * YOU ARE A WRONGULARITY FROM WHICH NO RIGHT CAN ESCAPE! *Chuck Norris was wrong once - He thought HE made a mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Looks that way. I'd say calling Fry an idol is a bit of a stretch, though—but there are other examples. There's an interesting book by Vargas Llosa, "La civilización del espectáculo" ("The showbiz civilization") that goes at length about this. Not sure it's been translated, though. I wonder, however. Why is Fry going to Russia when there's plenty of fun to be had at home, with, for instance, the anti-gay segregation bill in Kansas? 1 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 "Progressive" people that in the end, are just as much a slave of dogma (of a different kind) as the people they are "tearing down" Very true, but generally I think we'd be better off with the kind of slave dogma that demands tolerance and social stigmatize those that disagree than one that aggressively coerces and segregates. 2 Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Very true, but generally I think we'd be better off with the kind of slave dogma that demands tolerance and social stigmatize those that disagree than one that aggressively coerces and segregates. Both of those options seem the same. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cultist Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Sometimes even religious idiots have their use. You can have no more of a cat but her skin. This law will serve its purpose even if proposed by a fundie. He is a useful candidate for a scapegoat - make him a laughing stock for press yet the law have passed. Fundie will suffer the consequences and others could execute the law. It's a win-win situation. It took me approx three posts for previous topic to be closed by the mods. Telling your opinion when being forbidden to actually express your opinion is a funny experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Fry is a smug, irritating **** but even a broken clock is right twice a day. The guy is wonderful in QI. Especially when Alan's wisecracking drives him nuts Speaking of being a wiseguy, the only way to troll Oby is to convince him that Stephen is more russian than the other guy. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 omThe only shocking revelation here is that this guy is actually flaunting his beliefs, and at the same time is not articulate enough—in English—to assemble anything but a paper-thin defense of his stance ("scientific figures published by, uh... scientists!" LOL). Most elected officials are simply a tad smarter—just about enough to make nice and pretend they care about the peasants they tread on. No there is a lot more at stake here than this guy just flaunting his opinion. He was the primary contributor towards the homophobic legislation that is law in Russia. He bigotry has been echoed by many other Russian ministers and we are seeing that filter down to people on the street who can perpetuate hate crimes against gay people without fear of any real prosecution. We now see comments from the major of Sochi like "there are no gays in Sochi" and that example of corrective rape of that women that Fry mentions. But there are many other cases of violence and discrimination against gay people in Russia. I watched a documentary on CNN recently that discusses the rise of this type of violence. That's the problem where you have a law that legalizes bigotry. The consequences for the people being targeted are extreme and serious and go far beyond what the actual law pretends to protect or address "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Very true, but generally I think we'd be better off with the kind of slave dogma that demands tolerance and social stigmatize those that disagree than one that aggressively coerces and segregates. Both of those options seem the same. You really need to post more. @BruceVC: Not sure how that relates to what I said. Homeboy is a homophobic douche and doesn't mind being vocal about it. That's the only difference between him and other politicians at home and abroad that are also homophobic/xenophobic/elitist capitalist douches but simply coat their words (and their legislative initiatives) with a layer of politically correct vaseline before ramming them up society's ass. Case in point, the Kansas bill I linked in the other post. Fun times, man. Edited February 18, 2014 by 213374U 1 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 n Very true, but generally I think we'd be better off with the kind of slave dogma that demands tolerance and social stigmatize those that disagree than one that aggressively coerces and segregates. Both of those options seem the same. You really need to post more. @BruceVC: Not sure how that relates to what I said. Homeboy is a homophobic douche and doesn't mind being vocal about it. That's the only difference between him and other politicians at home and abroad that are also homophobic/xenophobic/elitist capitalist douches but simply coat their words (and their legislative initiatives) with a layer of politically correct vaseline before ramming them up society's ass. Case in point, the Kansas bill I linked in the other post. Fun times, man. Okay I see what you mean, I did misunderstand you. Valid point, but in Western countries you generally don't see new legislation that promotes homophobia. In fact most Western countries are moving more and more away from laws that discriminate against gay people. Russia seems to be going backwards with this new legislation "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Also that Kansas bill you linked is very concerning, is this something that a state can really do and can the federal government intervene For those who haven't read it I suggest you do, the depths of its homophobia can't be legal in the USA...surly? I would like our American members to comment to see what they think about the legitimacy of this bill? http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/13/kansas_anti_gay_segregation_bill_is_an_abomination.html "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 It didn't pass and if it did I'm sure it would have quickly been repealed I'm always amused by the argument that we have to be tolerant of religious intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance 2 Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 It didn't pass and if it did I'm sure it would have quickly been repealed I'm always amused by the argument that we have to be tolerant of religious intolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance That's really good news and you've just made my "best good news" post of the week. I thought the bill seemed completely incongruous to the general movement we are seeing in the USA throughout most of the states where gay rights are becoming legalised in several areas like the acceptance of same sex marriage "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I'm always amused by the argument that we have to be tolerant of religious intolerance There's a difference between being tolerant and kowtowing to every viewpoint. You can allow people to worship in whatever manner they want/ say what they want, without agreeing with them or allowing them to inflict their views on anyone else- indeed, tolerance does not mean you have to keep your mouth shut when you disagree, just that you accept you don't have the right to force others to your viewpoint. The worst sort of intolerance is the sort that is dressed up in the vestments of tolerance, which claims to be doing stuff 'for the greater good' (the greater good), whether it be someone trying to save your eternal soul from damnation or something else. Oddly enough, Stephen Fry himself has one of the more widely quoted quotes on the matter and subject of people being 'offended'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagaziel Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 (the greater good) Shut it. 1 HMIC for: [ The Wasteland Wiki ] [ Pillars of Eternity Wiki ] [ Tyranny Wiki ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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