JFSOCC Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 1 Remember: Argue the point, not the person. Remain polite and constructive. Friendly forums have friendly debate. There's no shame in being wrong. If you don't have something to add, don't post for the sake of it. And don't be afraid to post thoughts you are uncertain about, that's what discussion is for.---Pet threads, everyone has them. I love imagining Gods, Monsters, Factions and Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Ironically, since it's on Youtube, you are going to be monitored and logged as having accessed that video, helping both Google and whoever can gain access to their data, to profile you “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I'm not going to watch an hour long thing, but isn't this data fairly useless without a clear targeting system? It is a bulldozer method, based on the pure volume of information coming in we are individually just part of the data mulch. You probably stand out more by being off the grid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSOCC Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 I'm not going to watch an hour long thing, but isn't this data fairly useless without a clear targeting system? It is a bulldozer method, based on the pure volume of information coming in we are individually just part of the data mulch. You probably stand out more by being off the grid.Well no, because with data retention your personal data will remain on their servers until one day it's felt it might be needed. Then if you ever become an undesirable in any way, it's nice and handy. But lets have this discussion when you have watched it. There's another documentary which is about much the same things, called Terms and Conditions may apply. I think that's also a worthwhile watch, especially for laymen. Remember: Argue the point, not the person. Remain polite and constructive. Friendly forums have friendly debate. There's no shame in being wrong. If you don't have something to add, don't post for the sake of it. And don't be afraid to post thoughts you are uncertain about, that's what discussion is for.---Pet threads, everyone has them. I love imagining Gods, Monsters, Factions and Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I'm not going to watch an hour long thing, but isn't this data fairly useless without a clear targeting system? It is a bulldozer method, based on the pure volume of information coming in we are individually just part of the data mulch. You probably stand out more by being off the grid. I've been told as much by academic researchers. And I've heard from recruiters that having no social media trace makes some employers nervous. The bulldozer method is how it currently works. But private companies are swarming like piranhas around tech and research that can make sense of big data. As you all know, I'm very relaxed about State intrusion into my life. Because by and large I trust my state to be inept, not malevolent, and certainly not greedy. I trust private companies about as far as I can spit. I know them far too well. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I'm not going to watch an hour long thing, but isn't this data fairly useless without a clear targeting system? It is a bulldozer method, based on the pure volume of information coming in we are individually just part of the data mulch. You probably stand out more by being off the grid.Well no, because with data retention your personal data will remain on their servers until one day it's felt it might be needed. Then if you ever become an undesirable in any way, it's nice and handy. But lets have this discussion when you have watched it. There's another documentary which is about much the same things, called Terms and Conditions may apply. I think that's also a worthwhile watch, especially for laymen. But what are the odds of you becoming an undesirable? And if you do, is a lack of a facebook page really going to stop an agency from gathering information about you? Obviously you need to use common sense. Putting up naked pictures and doing drugs is a dumb idea, but swearing off all social media sounds more like paranoia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Who knows what the odds of one becoming an undesirable is, all it needs is some wacky lawmaker or some intelligence agency pushing the boundaries. As for social networking sites, lie heavily on them, it's a decent compromise. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 The fact is that by accepting a free at delivery service you are commoditising <spelling?> yourself to pay for it. I have no social media presence at all, and categorically won't*. Because I refuse to be a commodity in that way. I don't think that's weird. I find it weird that so many people are comfortable playing that role! *No one mention Steam. 1 "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I do not even see a point of having a debate about this. It is simply ethically wrong to have indiscriminate surveillance. Instead of increased safety, this should be the mantra for all governments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9buEI8SgwU "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I do not even see a point of having a debate about this. It is simply ethically wrong to have indiscriminate surveillance. Instead of increased safety, this should be the mantra for all governments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9buEI8SgwU That rather implies that there is a good argument against surveillance. In which case why not have a debate? "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) I didn't watch the whole thing but as a native dutch speaker I have to say that these subtitles are woefully inaccurate at points. Edited December 2, 2013 by TrueNeutral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I started to watch it. Holy moly, there are a lot of cameras in the Netherlands. Honestly it simply isn't feasible to do that alcohol checking camera in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSOCC Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 I didn't watch the whole thing but as a native dutch speaker I have to say that these subtitles are woefully inaccurate at points.yeah I didn't pay attention to them, being a dutch speaker myself. @hurlshot, glad you're watching. @walsingham, the benefits of mass surveillance have not been proven. Compared to the cost of blanket surveillance, there hasn't been a significant downturn in terrorism. Remember: Argue the point, not the person. Remain polite and constructive. Friendly forums have friendly debate. There's no shame in being wrong. If you don't have something to add, don't post for the sake of it. And don't be afraid to post thoughts you are uncertain about, that's what discussion is for.---Pet threads, everyone has them. I love imagining Gods, Monsters, Factions and Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I didn't watch the whole thing but as a native dutch speaker I have to say that these subtitles are woefully inaccurate at points.yeah I didn't pay attention to them, being a dutch speaker myself. @hurlshot, glad you're watching. @walsingham, the benefits of mass surveillance have not been proven. Compared to the cost of blanket surveillance, there hasn't been a significant downturn in terrorism. Well, to take Queen's advocate (heh) I would point out two things: 1) Prosecution of terrorism cases has become a lot better since we could trace suspects to multiple points, carrying (for example) backpacks and so on. 2) We only have the security services' word for it, but apparently there are thousands of wannabe jihadists wandering around the UK. Virtually none of them try anything. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I'm not going to watch an hour long thing, but isn't this data fairly useless without a clear targeting system? It is a bulldozer method, based on the pure volume of information coming in we are individually just part of the data mulch. You probably stand out more by being off the grid.Well no, because with data retention your personal data will remain on their servers until one day it's felt it might be needed. Then if you ever become an undesirable in any way, it's nice and handy. I thought most developed countries has laws which stipulates what kind of information can be stores and for how long(as well as bunch of other related issues) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 @hurlshot, glad you're watching. I can squeeze in about 5 minutes a day, so it will take me awhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Sort of apropos... Apple buys Topsy Yeah, they got more than just a bunch of twits... "Apple has bought social media data analytics firm, Topsy Labs, which specialises in using data from Twitter to track customer sentiment. Topsy is one of the few firms to have access to Twitter's entire data stream. It has recently created a searchable database of all tweets sent - more than 400 billion - since Twitter's launch." Retention is better than some people seem to think. 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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