Norway appoints Muslim woman Minister of Culture

[Farbautisonn]

Its a matter of statistics at this point.

 

No nation in the world has successfully integrated vast amounts of middle eastern / northafrican immigrants. They are index 2 to 600 in crime and social statistics Europe wide. They leave public schools that are free of charge, and significantly better than anything that their parents ever dreamed of as functional analfabets. In Oslo 100% of aggrivated assult rapes on women during the last 5 years were of "Third world origin".

 

Want to turn the tide in Europe? Find a way to successfully integrate the middle eastern / north african immigrants, and patten the modus operandi. You'll win a Nobel prize and likely have consultants from all over the world lined up to throw money at you to teach you how .

 

More of the same doesnt help. Europe is a testament to that.

[AGX-17]

As an aside, how is there a picture of her sitting right next to Breivik? Is that a photoshop or something?

 

....Of course it's a photoshop.

[Farbautisonn]

Rubbish. Go back and read the thread and learn something.

 

German multiculturalism: Dead.

British multiculturalism: Dead.

French multiculturalism: Dead.

 

You were saying?

 

EDIT:

Youre an aussie? How are those lebanese gangs and youth groups doing.... :D

 

EDIT2:

Sad bit is... The majority of the muslim community in europe actually want the best for their kids, want to be a part of their new nations, want to contribute. But because of a minority of ****tards and the unwillingness of state players to place both responsibility, reward and blame plus consequenses on those few idiots, the idiots and tards paint the larger picture of Islam and muslims. Thats wrong. But unfortunately this particular demographic group has some pretty nasty statistics attributed to them because repeat offenders tend to repeat offend... ALOT. Morrocan immigrants in my nation of Denmark for instance are index 600 in "violent crime causing convictions in excess of 6 months".That means that after corrections have been made to make up for socio economic status etc, a morrocan is still 6 times more likely to get charged and convicted of aggrivated assult. And to you yanks, thats pretty much offenses that in the US would give between 6 years non probation to life. We are talking "putting a guy in a box or chair" esque crimes.

 

Now. If we could get rid of the rotten apples then that would rob the tabloids and the sensationalists of their ammo. However we cant. So the sensationalists and populists will get increasingly more influence in politics and governance. I dont have to spell out where that ends if you have an inkling of European history for the last one thousand years.

Edited October 19, 2012 by Farbautisonn

[AGX-17]

Rubbish. Go back and read the thread and learn something.

 

German multiculturalism: Dead.

British multiculturalism: Dead.

French multiculturalism: Dead.

 

You were saying?

 

EDIT:

Youre an aussie? How are those lebanese gangs and youth groups doing.... :D

 

Don't worry, they have roving Justice Teams of Australian youth patrolling the streets for pakis to beat.

[Farbautisonn]

 

 

Don't worry, they have roving Justice Teams of Australian youth patrolling the streets for pakis to beat.

 

They cant be that effective. Or perhaps the patrolling is cut short by shrimps on the barbie and Vics bitter.... :D

[BruceVC]

There is one thing I would like to say about multiculturalism

 

I consider myself a liberal, I am a white South African and due to growing up during Apartheid I am opposed to any forms of bigotry and discrimination. But it does seem in many respects to be one sided in certain countries.

 

 

For example I travel to the Middle East for work a lot. When you work or travel in those countries you have to accept there rules unequivocally . There include points like

• there are no Christian churches( I am not religious but its the principle)
  
• you cannot drink alcohol in many places or seen to be rowdy. Even in the UAE where alcohol is allowed in certain bars if you get into a taxi and you are drunk you can be arrested
  
• you have to abide by there cultural rules ( women have to wear Burka's in many places for example )
  
• You have no legal rights compared to a citizen of that country. For example if you are driving on a road and Saudi citizen jumps in front of your car, so its his fault, and you hit him with your car you will be held responsible and have to pay reparations
  

Now we as Westerners accept these conditions as we are living and working in there countries. We don't complain. But when it comes to people coming to Western countries there are many demands that foreigners make when they chose to live outside there own countries. I have no issue with people keeping there own cultural identify but they need to learn to assimilate, for example learn to speak the local language and not to follow practices that are illegal in the country they are living in, like forced marriage.

In summary my point is that multiculturalism seems to be one sided at times. Western countries must really accommodate everyone but other countries don't seem to care.

[alanschu]

That means that after corrections have been made to make up for socio economic status etc, a morrocan is still 6 times more likely to get charged and convicted of aggrivated assult.

 

Just curious, but do you fully understand what this stat is saying?

[Farbautisonn]

That means that after corrections have been made to make up for socio economic status etc, a morrocan is still 6 times more likely to get charged and convicted of aggrivated assult.

 

Just curious, but do you fully understand what this stat is saying?

 

Very much so. But perhaps you would like to elaborate?

[obyknven]

I continue my posts about multiculturalism, while "liberal" North-Americans trying explain why Nations of World must reject own rights on self-determination and self-governance.

 

Most symptomatic reaction on multiculturalism we can see from side Native Americans. They have long history of resistance against oppression and genocide. Because their rich experience, they easily recognize jesuitic trick of exploiters.

 

Since 1994, the EZLN (Zapatista Army of National Liberation) has been in a declared war "against the Mexican state", though this war has been primarily nonviolent and defensive against military, paramilitary, culturally, and corporate incursions into Chiapas.

 

It was the world's first armed uprising against globalization and multiculturalism.

their point of view on multiculturalism:

This Fourth World War uses what we call "destruction." Territories are destroyed and depopulated. At the point at which war is waged, land must be destroyed, turned into desert. Not out of a zeal for destruction, but in order to rebuild and reorder it. What is the primary problem confronted by this unipolar world in globalizing itself? Nation States, resistances, cultures, each nation's means of relating, that which makes them different. How is it possible for the village to be global and for everyone to be equal if there are so many differences? When we say that it is necessary to destroy Nation States and to turn them into deserts, it does not mean doing away with the people, but with the peoples' ways of being. After destroying, one must rebuild. Rebuild the territories and give them another place. The place which the laws of the market determine. This is what is driving globalization.

 

The first obstacle is the Nation States: they must be attacked and destroyed. Everything which makes a State "national" must be destroyed: language, culture, economy, its political life and its social fabric. If national languages are no longer of use, they must be destroyed, and a new language must be promoted. Contrary to what one might think, it is not English, but computers. All languages must be made the same, translated into computer language, even English. All cultural aspects that make a French person French, an Italian Italian, a Dane Danish, a Mexican Mexican, must be destroyed, because they are barriers which prevent them from entering the globalized market. It is no longer a question of making one market for the French, and another for the English or the Italians. There must be one single market, in which the same person can consume the same product in any part of the world, and where the same person acts like a citizen of the world, and no longer as a citizen of a Nation State.

 

That means that cultural history, the history of tradition, clashes with this process and is the enemy of the Fourth World War. This is especially serious in Europe where there are nations with great traditions. The cultural framework of the French, the Italians, the English, the Germans, the Spanish, etcetera - everything which cannot be translated into computer and market terms - are an impediment to this globalization. Goods are now going to circulate through information channels, and everything else must be destroyed or set aside. Nation States have their own economic structures and what is called "national bourgeoisie" - capitalists with national headquarters and with national profits. This can no longer exist: if the economy is decided at a global level, the economic policies of Nation States which try to protect capital are an enemy which must be defeated. The Free Trade Treaty, and the one which led to the European Union, the Euro, are symptoms that the economy is being globalized, although in the beginning it was about regional globalization, like in the case of Europe. Nation States construct their political relationships, but now political relationships are of no use. I am not characterizing them as good or bad. The problem is that these political relationships are an impediment to the realization of the laws of the market. The national political class is old, it is no longer useful, it has to be changed. They try to remember, even if it is the name of one single statesman in Europe. They simply cannot. The most important figures in the Europe of the Euro are people like the president of the Bundesbank, a banker. What he says is going to determine the policies of the different presidents or prime ministers inflicted on the countries of Europe....

 

This has a lot to do with the United States model. It also so happens, however, that this Fourth World War produces an opposite effect, which we call "fragmentation." The world is, paradoxically, not becoming one, it is breaking up into many pieces. Although it is assumed that the citizen is being made equal, differences as differences are emerging: homosexuals and lesbians, young people, immigrants. Nation States are functioning as a large State, the anonymous State-land-society which divides us into many pieces.

 

At the same time that differences appear, the differences are multiplied. Each young person has his group, his way of thinking, such as punks and skinheads. All of which are in every country. Now the different are not only different, but their differences are multiplied and they seek their own identity. The Fourth World War is obviously not offering them a mirror that allows them to see themselves with a common denominator. It is offering them a broken mirror. As long as it has control of the archipelago - of human beings - the powers are not going to be very upset.

 

The world is breaking into many pieces, large and small. There are no longer continents in the sense that I would be a European, African or American. What the globalization of neoliberalism is offering is a network built by financial capital, or, if you would prefer, by financial powers. If there is a crisis in this node, the rest of the network will cushion the effects. If there is prosperity in a country, it does not produce the effect of prosperity in other countries. It is, thus, a network which does not function. What they told us about the size of the world was a lie, a speech repeated by the leaders of Latin America, whether Menem, Fujimori, Zedillo, or others leaders of compromised moral character. In fact what is happening is that the network has made Nation States much more vulnerable. It is useless for a country to struggle to construct an equilibrium and its own destiny as a nation. Everything depends on what happens in a bank in Japan, or what the mafia in Russia or a speculator in Sydney does. In one way or another, Nation States are not saved, they are permanently condemned. When a Nation State agrees to join this network - because there is no other choice, because they force it, or out of conviction - it is signing its death certificate.

 

In short, what this great market wants is to turn all of these islands into commercial centers, not nations. One can go from one country to another and find the same products. There is no longer any difference. In Paris or in San Cristóbal de las Casas you can consume the same thing. If you are in San Cristóbal de Las Casas, you can simultaneously be in Paris getting the news. It is the end of Nation States. And not just that: it is the end of the human beings who make them up. What matters is the law of the market, and that is what establishes how much you produce, how much you are worth, how much you buy, how much you are worth. Dignity, resistance, solidarity all disturb. Everything which prevents a human being from turning into a producing and purchasing machine is an enemy, and it must be destroyed. That is why we are saying that the human species is the enemy for the Fourth World War. It is not destroying it physically, but it is destroying its humanness.

 

Paradoxically, by destroying Nation States, dignity, resistance and solidarity are built anew. There are no ties stronger, more solid, than those which exist between different groups: between homosexuals, between lesbians, between young people, between migrants. This war, then, goes on to also attack those who are different. That is what those campaigns are owing to, so strong in Europe and in the United States, against the different, because they are dark, speak another language or have another culture. The means of cultivating xenophobia in what remains of the Nation States is to make threats: "These Turkish migrants want to take away your job." "These Mexican immigrants came to rape, they came to steal, they came to sow bad habits." Nation States - or the few of them that remain - delegate to those new citizens of the world - computers - the role of getting rid of those immigrants. And that is when groups like the Ku Klux Klan proliferate, or persons of such probity as Berlusconi reach power. They all build their campaigns based on xenophobia. Hate for the different, persecution against anything that is different, is worldwide. But the resistance of anything that is different is also worldwide. Faced with that aggression, these differences are multiplied, they are solidified. This is how it is, I am not going to characterize it as good or bad, that is how it is happening....

....

 

In the fragmentation process - turning the entire world into an archipelago - financial power wants to build a new shopping center which will have tourism and natural resources in Chiapas, Belize and Guatemala.

 

Apart from being full of oil and uranium, the problem is that it is full of indigenous. And the indigenous, in addition to not speaking Spanish, do not want credit cards, they do not produce, they are involved in planting maize, beans, chile, coffee, and they think about dancing to a marimba rather than using a computer. They are neither consumers nor producers. They are superfluous. And everything that is superfluous is expendable. But they do not want to go, and they do not want to stop being indigenous. There is more: their struggle is not to take over power. There struggle is to be recognized as Indian peoples, that their right to exist is recognized, without having to turn into other people.

 

But the problem is that here, in the land that is at war, in zapatista territory, are the main indigenous cultures, there are the languages and the largest oil deposits. There are the seven Indian peoples who participate in the EZLN, Tzeltal, Tzotzil, Tojolabal, Chol, Zoque, Mam and mestizos. This is the map of Chiapas: communities with an indigenous population and with oil, uranium and precious wood. For neoliberalism everything is merchandise, it is sold, it is exploited. And these indigenous come to say no, that the land is mother, it is the depository of culture, that history lives here, and the dead live here. Absolutely absurd things that cannot be entered on any computer and which are not listed on a stock exchange. And there is no way to convince them to be good, to learn to think right, they simply do not want to. They even rose up in arms. This is why - we say - that the Mexican government does not want to make peace: it is because they want to do away with this enemy and turn this land to desert, afterwards reorganizing it and setting it to operate as a huge shopping center, a Mall in the Mexican Southeast. The EZLN supports the Indian peoples, and is, in this way, an enemy, but not the main one. It is not enough to sort things out with the EZLN, even worse if sorting things out with the EZLN means renouncing this land, because that will mean peace in Chiapas, it will mean renouncing the conquest of a land rich in oil, in precious woods and uranium. This is why they have not done so and are not going to do so.

 

http://www.informati...rticle20153.htm

Edited October 19, 2012 by obyknven

[AGX-17]

Don't worry, they have roving Justice Teams of Australian youth patrolling the streets for pakis to beat.

 

They cant be that effective. Or perhaps the patrolling is cut short by shrimps on the barbie and Vics bitter.... :D

 

I was sarcastically referring to increased hate crimes against persons of Indian descent in Australia.

 

I continue my posts about multiculturalism, while "liberal" North-Americans trying explain why Nations of World must reject own rights on self-determination and self-governance.

 

Most symptomatic reaction on multiculturalism we can see from side Native Americans. They have long history of resistance against oppression and genocide. Because their rich experience, they easily recognize jesuitic trick of exploiters.

 

Native Americans are tangential because the European immigrants to the Americas killed most of them, mostly with disease, and then imprisoned them on "reservations" before taking their children away so that they would be raised "white" in a deliberate attempt to destroy those native american cultures. There was never any attempt at multiculturalism in the US. Every ethnic/cultural group to emigrate here since the Europeans took over has eventually successfully integrated into US society, hence its being dubbed a "melting-pot." But the IMF and world bank are neither here nor there. Those are basically just big loan sharks meant to guarantee the interests of American big business in "opening new markets" in the undeveloped/developing world.

 

And from what I understand, in Mexico and most South American countries, most of the people are mixed-race and pride themselves on European ancestry or self identify as something other than Native, while discriminating and committing crimes against true Natives.

Edited October 20, 2012 by AGX-17

[Gorth]

Don't worry, they have roving Justice Teams of Australian youth patrolling the streets for pakis to beat.

 

They cant be that effective. Or perhaps the patrolling is cut short by shrimps on the barbie and Vics bitter.... :D

 

I was sarcastically referring to increased hate crimes against persons of Indian descent in Australia.

Nothing like a bit of mass hysteria to create something out of nothing. A special talent that tabloid media has. Of course the same media won't let facts get in the way of a good story

 

Official stuff

 

Which showed that they were at worst as likely to be victims of crime in some areas and in most areas less likely to be the victim of crime. But as I said, hysteria and media is potent mix. As far as I know, unlike other cultural groups, Indians aren't overrepresented in the crime statistics (as perpetrators) either.

[alanschu]

That means that after corrections have been made to make up for socio economic status etc, a morrocan is still 6 times more likely to get charged and convicted of aggrivated assult.

 

Just curious, but do you fully understand what this stat is saying?

 

Very much so. But perhaps you would like to elaborate?

 

Ah, but I specifically asked because I don't want to lead you to the actual answer.

 

 

So I'll ask a bit differently: what does the statistic you provide actually state?

Edited October 20, 2012 by alanschu

[Humodour]

Rubbish. Go back and read the thread and learn something.

 

German multiculturalism: Dead.

British multiculturalism: Dead.

French multiculturalism: Dead.

 

You were saying?

 

Looks like a bunch of social conservative leaders (Merkel, Cameron, Sarkozy) declaring multiculturalism dead.

 

Did you have a point? That's like quoting a bunch of social conservative leaders claiming that global warming isn't real. Sure, you could do that, but it would only weaken your point by highlighting how small-minded people react to change.

[Janmanden]

Having said that, perhaps the next step of societal evolution frankly IS the dissolution of culture? Who knows if we'll ever get there (probably not), but if human beings were to identify more with being "human beings" instead of a particular nationality, I wonder what sort of changes in the types of conflicts would exist between people.

 

That would be one of the greatest paradigm shifts in humanity. No longer there would by any kind of "us & them", there would be no group-formations, no competition, nothing to compare to, no judgment or acknowledgement. Everyone would be an atom of thought in a sea of minds for common goal, which sounds waaay to Asimovian sci-fi for me.

 

Dissolution or one classless borderless cultures complete world wide domination. Could have been much simpler than sci-fi. Could have been a world where the USSR had expanded it's borders to the whole wide world.. Not saying anything about tolerance or state of happiness. Obviously there would have to be a lot of limitations of personal freedom, environment, faith, joy and entertainment to keep everyone equal.. Would probably take several centuries of education and mixing genes before we were all one race.. Might work.

[alanschu]

My comment makes no statement that all people would be equal. Just that they identify themselves differently.

 

In my country, most people identify themselves as Canadian. That doesn't make us all equal.

[Farbautisonn]

 

Ah, but I specifically asked because I don't want to lead you to the actual answer.

 

 

So I'll ask a bit differently: what does the statistic you provide actually state?

It states that when compared to the "average inhabitant" in my nation, a person of morroccan descent is 6 times more likely to appear in the crimestatistics. If you have a different version, Im dying to hear it.

[Farbautisonn]

 

Looks like a bunch of social conservative leaders (Merkel, Cameron, Sarkozy) declaring multiculturalism dead.

 

Did you have a point? That's like quoting a bunch of social conservative leaders claiming that global warming isn't real. Sure, you could do that, but it would only weaken your point by highlighting how small-minded people react to change.

 

Its smalll minded to ignore problems facing you. The issue isnt with indians, chinese, americans, australians. Its with one group only. Immigrants from muslim nations.

 

Besides you must not know alot about European politics. The "New Right" here have shifted the entire political discourse to the right. Most mainstream parties now have immigration policies that they decried as "racist" two decades ago. Even the most PC nation on Earth, Sweden, Now has a "new right" party that got voted into their parliament and have been polled to reach 10% of the voters.

 

The crime and social statistics speak for themselves and if we dont act upon them that gives growth to extremism. I can give you countless examples but if you read a european paper or news website once in a while that sould be painfully obvious.

[alanschu]

Ah, but I specifically asked because I don't want to lead you to the actual answer.

 

 

So I'll ask a bit differently: what does the statistic you provide actually state?

It states that when compared to the "average inhabitant" in my nation, a person of morroccan descent is 6 times more likely to appear in the crimestatistics. If you have a different version, Im dying to hear it.

 

No. I was more curious if you were concluding that people of Moroccan descent are more likely to commit murders, which many people do. Though if you recognize what the stat actually puts, it makes it more curious why you used it given that it undermines your usage of it.

 

 

Its smalll minded to ignore problems facing you. The issue isnt with indians, chinese, americans, australians. Its with one group only. Immigrants from muslim nations.

 

If it's only from one group, how is that an indictment towards multiculturalism? There's more than two cultures in the world.

[Farbautisonn]

 

No. I was more curious if you were concluding that people of Moroccan descent are more likely to commit murders, which many people do. Though if you recognize what the stat actually puts, it makes it more curious why you used it given that it undermines your usage of it.

I dont really see it undermines my usage of it. We have a group of people who are overrepresented in crimestatistics by a factor of six and noone seems to be interested in the "why" and the "how do we ensure that the number drops" bit. Since the numbers have been iced over by correction for socio economic status etc, it would still be interesting to know why this group is so overrepresented and how we can prevent it.

 

 

If it's only from one group, how is that an indictment towards multiculturalism? There's more than two cultures in the world.

 

Because "Multiculturalism" as a term was taken hostage and its meaning watered out to the point where "Multiculturalism" as a term now means "dealing with the sociocultural issues of the muslim demographics of your nation". Just as "tolerance" and "progressiveness" was watered out to cater to people who didnt want to be faced with uncomfortable truths: That the muslim demographics have significantly impacted both crime and social statistics. Noone was interested in addressing the problems so that gave way for protest parties and populists. It still does. In the local minority rich areas of copenhagen (my nations capital) more than 45% of the families opt for private schools in a nation where public schools are free of charge and used to have a significant following. Half of the second and third gen immigrants (46%) from "third world nations" leave the public schools after nine years of mandatory attendence as functional analfabets. They are overrepresentated in crime and social statistics by a factor of at least two overall. 42% of the "third world immigrants" are on welfare. 70% of somalis and Iraqis. And the numbers are akin to the danish numbers in most european nations.

 

Like it or not, that breeds resentment. Trying to ignore or whitewash the problem, as many center/leftwing parties have tried, doesnt make the resentment any less. Doesnt make the problems go away. Only compounds the problems. Its not "racist" or "bigoted" to want to address the topic, to want some kind of policy and governance that tries to address the problems, and make demands of this group. However traditionally you have been labelled just that if you pointed out problems with immigration. And that has only ensured that the hard statistics and data isnt going to be available because noone wants to examine and chart the problems out of fear of being called "nazi". Means that the tools we employ to try to better the situaion is based on guesswork at best. So ofcourse we dont see an improvement in social and crime statistics. Because we wont touch the underlying issues for it out of fear of stigmatizing ourselves.

[Freshock]

I'm Norwegian and I don't mind. She just have to be able to focus on both our history and also take care of foreigners culture. I'm proud of Norway's history, and I'll always be - but if I were a foreigner and went to another country I'd still want to respect my background. There's lots of different cultures in Norway these days, and I think we're doing a good job taking care of everyone so far. If anything I think we're being a good example to other countries.

[Drowsy Emperor]

There is one thing I would like to say about multiculturalism

 

I consider myself a liberal, I am a white South African and due to growing up during Apartheid I am opposed to any forms of bigotry and discrimination. But it does seem in many respects to be one sided in certain countries.

 

 

For example I travel to the Middle East for work a lot. When you work or travel in those countries you have to accept there rules unequivocally . There include points like

• there are no Christian churches( I am not religious but its the principle)
  
• you cannot drink alcohol in many places or seen to be rowdy. Even in the UAE where alcohol is allowed in certain bars if you get into a taxi and you are drunk you can be arrested
  
• you have to abide by there cultural rules ( women have to wear Burka's in many places for example )
  
• You have no legal rights compared to a citizen of that country. For example if you are driving on a road and Saudi citizen jumps in front of your car, so its his fault, and you hit him with your car you will be held responsible and have to pay reparations
  

Now we as Westerners accept these conditions as we are living and working in there countries. We don't complain. But when it comes to people coming to Western countries there are many demands that foreigners make when they chose to live outside there own countries. I have no issue with people keeping there own cultural identify but they need to learn to assimilate, for example learn to speak the local language and not to follow practices that are illegal in the country they are living in, like forced marriage.

In summary my point is that multiculturalism seems to be one sided at times. Western countries must really accommodate everyone but other countries don't seem to care.

 

This is absolutely correct, and I have witnessed it first hand.

 

There is no reciprocity, or even an attempt at one between the west and the muslim (mostly arabic) world.

 

Only American nationals are somewhat protected, or are likely to get out of a problematic situation easier in the middle east/north africa than others and that's solely motivated by fear of reprisals. Everyone else has basically little to no rights in these countries.

 

The solution to Europe's immigration problems amounts to three words:

 

deportation, deportation and deportation.

 

 

 

On a related note, Germany is considering reintroducing visas for Serb and other balkan citizens because some of them use the asylum system to get a year or so worth of time to work in Germany.

Because a couple of thousand people abusing a glitch in the system is so much worse than having 2+ million turkish immigrants.

 

 

I'll never understand why certain european nations discriminate so much against white eastern europeans (which come from relatively well industrialized countries and firmly consider themselves european, many of them christian too)- while at the same time welcoming muslim immigration with open arms. Its illogical to spend time and resources integrating a wholly opposed culture when you have a semi integrated people on your doorstep.

 

I really would like to hear the last time a Serb, Bulgarian, Romanian, Russian etc. participated in an act of terrorism in a european country.

Edited November 3, 2012 by Drowsy Emperor

[obyknven]

"Government officials in Brussels, Belgium banned Wednesday a popular Christmas tree exhibit out of concerns that the local Muslim population found it 'offensive.'

 

http://www.liveleak....=8da_1352628341

 

facepalm

[Rosbjerg]

I really would like to hear the last time a Serb, Bulgarian, Romanian, Russian etc. participated in an act of terrorism in a european country.

 

We had a Chechnyan/Belgian terrorist here a while back - he blew himself up in a hotel by accident though.

 

But here at least most pickpocket thieves, beggers, organized robbers etc come from slavic or east european countries - but I see your point, it would be easier to integrate slavic people who are interested in coming here.

[Hurlshort]

"Government officials in Brussels, Belgium banned Wednesday a popular Christmas tree exhibit out of concerns that the local Muslim population found it 'offensive.'

 

http://www.liveleak....=8da_1352628341

 

facepalm

 

Thankfully this Catholic news source actually did some research and got the real story.

 

http://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/muslim-intervention-results-in-brussels-banning-christmas-tree-exhibit/

[BBMorti]

I really would like to hear the last time a Serb, Bulgarian, Romanian, Russian etc. participated in an act of terrorism in a european country.

 

We had a Chechnyan/Belgian terrorist here a while back - he blew himself up in a hotel by accident though.

 

But here at least most pickpocket thieves, beggers, organized robbers etc come from slavic or east european countries - but I see your point, it would be easier to integrate slavic people who are interested in coming here.

If you talk about the guy in Denmark (sounds like Denmark) he was a Muslim, though.