The Iraq war was a disgrace, but sometimes we forget just how much

[Namutree]

 

 

You see this is where I think there is a misperception  from people who live in America and how the world sees the USA now under Obama and how they viewed the USA under Bush, there is a vast and more positive difference

 

Firstly there will always USA haters, no matter what the USA does this perception won't change. I am not talking about them. But you can ask any member on these forums about what most of the world thought about the USA and its foreign policy decisions during the Bush era, it was generally bad. Some of this criticism was justified and some wasn't but for the majority of people outside the USA they considered the USA a country that just wanted to bomb and invade any country that it had any disagreement with. Plus there was the  whole Iraq invasion and the false reasons we were given to justify that invasion

 

I will maintain that Obama has done loads to improve the perception around the world for the USA  and the role that the USA can play in military intervention. Has he been perfect? Of course not but what president is

 

I agree completely that Obama has done a good of changing people's perception; all I was saying is that Obama is the same as previous presidents in truth. He just presents himself differently.

[Gfted1]

Wheres my free gasoline?

[HoonDing]

Wheres my free gasoline?

[kgambit]

Wheres my free gasoline?

 

It's being shipped with your free lunch.

[obyknven]

 

Personally I think North and South America should draw a line down the Atlantic east of Brazil and west of Guam and tell the rest of the world this is our side, that is yours. But since I'm not in charge of anything I'd settle to a Pre-WW2 stance of non-interventionism. 

 

 You too slow, Monroe doctine don't working more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

 

Our bases must be appeared in South America soon. Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Ecuador, Cuba very friendly with us and don't like US (non-surprisingly) now.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Wheres my free gasoline?

The same place as ISIS member's 72 virgins.

 

Spoiler, those 72 are all hairy fat dudes.

[kgambit]

 

Wheres my free gasoline?

The same place as ISIS member's 72 virgins.

 

Spoiler, those 72 are all hairy fat dudes.

 

 

[ShadySands]

 

 

 

Personally I think North and South America should draw a line down the Atlantic east of Brazil and west of Guam and tell the rest of the world this is our side, that is yours. But since I'm not in charge of anything I'd settle to a Pre-WW2 stance of non-interventionism. 

 

It is kind of interesting how our policy in WW1/WW2 worked super well for us, and then we never did it again. Oh well.

 

That has more to do with the shift in philosophy brought on by FDR than any change in attitude in the US. The moment the US government became a partner in businesses is the moment it had a stake in the future success of a business. With a few exceptions all of our post WW2 foreign entanglements have been more about money than the stated goals.  

 

 

I'd say FDR kept it going rather than started it

 

 

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

[Leferd]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/world/meast/isis-james-foley/index.html?c=mobile-homepage-t

 

...

 

Savages.

[Barothmuk]

Sorry to be quoting you here two for two but...

Obama has taken a far less belligerent approach for the USA and its previous view of " if you aren't with us you are against us"

 

He should get some credit and recognition for this

A Wikileaks post published on The Nation shows that the Obama Administration fought to keep Haitian wages at 31 cents an hour.(This article was taken down by The Nation due to an embargo, but it was excerpted at Columbia Journalism Review.)

 

It started when Haiti passed a law two years ago raising its minimum wage to 61 cents an hour. According to an embassy cable:

 

This infuriated American corporations like Hanes and Levi Strauss that pay Haitians slave wages to sew their clothes. They said they would only fork over a seven-cent-an-hour increase, and they got the State Department involved. The U.S. ambassador put pressure on Haiti’s president, who duly carved out a $3 a day minimum wage for textile companies (the U.S. minimum wage, which itself is very low, works out to $58 a day).

 

Haiti has about 25,000 garment workers. If you paid each of them $2 a day more, it would cost their employers $50,000 per working day, or about $12.5 million a year … As of last year Hanes had 3,200 Haitians making t-shirts for it. Paying each of them two bucks a day more would cost it about $1.6 million a year. Hanesbrands Incorporated made $211 million on $4.3 billion in sales last year.

 

Thanks to U.S. intervention, the minimum was raised only to 31 cents.

 

These papers have come to light thanks to Haiti Liberte, a small Haitian newspaper with offices in Port-au-Prince and New York City.

 

Source

Thanks Obama.

[obyknven]

Psaki mode on.

Breaking News! Ukrainian government support ISIS! No, ISIS are  crossdressed Ukrainian soldiers, it's Ukraine invade Iraq! This photo is Proof!

Psaki mode off.

ISIS capture few Ukrainian APC's, it's really stupid decisions - these APC are defective, Iraq mostly send them back to Ukraine.

[obyknven]

Meanwhile ISIS surround Baghdad, drama "Catastrophe, collaborators rats flee from sinking ship" is expected here soon. It's yet another great military victory of great Obama! Murica strong!

[Gromnir]

am getting that euros didn't like bush sr. or jr., but the full blinder obama fascination as it relates to foreign policy baffles us more than a little:

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100227825/the-obama-doctrine-is-a-huge-failure-because-it-isnt-based-on-us-interests/

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/06/us-foreign-policy-syria-iraq-be-201462974743184637.html

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stephenharner/2014/08/12/time-for-honesty-and-change-in-obamas-failed-china-policy/

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-amodeo/obamas-lets-have-tea-appr_b_5651749.html

 

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/04/02/Why_Obama_Has_Failed_in_the_Middle_East

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/06/12/obama-isnt-napping-hes-surrendering/

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/opinion/sunday/douthat-grading-obamas-foreign-policy.html?_r=1

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/09/opinion/ghitis-obama-mideast/

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-obama-putin-ukraine-terrorism-oped-0805-jm-20140805-column.html

 

...

 

the only explanation we got for the bizarre euro-liberal apologists for obama is the fact that there is no fear o' obama. whatever failings obama may have and regardless o' the mounting failures he has made, very few liberal europeans fears US excess.  so, regardless o' mistakes with china, russia, libya, syria, IS and the obvious lack o' respect o' the US by palestinians or israelis, liberal europeans see obama as a welcome and pleasantly impotent alternative.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[obyknven]

Main difference between US and Russia.

Iraq purchase some amount of SU-25 from Russia for shelling ISIS positions. These jets piloted  by Russian mercs also. Nothing personal - just business.

 

US...

 

Looks like US can't into capitalism.

[Walsingham]

 

Looks like US can't into capitalism.

 

Now you're getting the hang of it. Consistent phrasing errors.

[obyknven]

Lol, these British elites didle simpleminded Murica again.

Murica initially don't want into new useless war in Iraq, but after beheading of Murican journalist everything is changed, Murican government do want ground operation here. New stupid war in Iraq are coming, yeah, moar Vietnam wars for US.
Now just interesting info. 800 ISIS members are Britts, and even executor of Murica guy is Britt. Add to this British role in creating of Salafism/Wahhabism, their close relations with Arabian monarchies and you take nice image how "allied" Britts forced Murica into harmful war. Applause!

 

P.S. Murica is Hodor.

 

P.P.S. Some secret war is going on. Someone make warning to Saudi prince, remind to Saudits about their mortality.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28832868

But who is players in this new "Great game" is? One side is "British" elites (who IRL control much more than Britain), but who are their enemies?