Tale Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) NPC 1 is a first generation personality that has never learned adaptive traits The problems with emergent AI behavior is often from evolutionary psychological systems or at least learning, basically adaptive systems. Namely that videogames have none of that. The programmed behaviors persist until self-destruction unless the programming is enough to find an equilibrium with only what is started with. Edited August 25, 2010 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 EVE Online could be used a lot. Study of an economy, what happens when sociopaths are given weapons, etc. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Just goes to show how useless a Liberal Arts education is. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) I majored in sociology. You don't want to know how much money I make now because you would be jealous (maybe not true, I don't know what any of you do for a living, except nepenthe and... was it enoch? someone else was a lawyer too...) Of course, I became a lawyer, not a sociologist. Still, one does not need to major in the hard sciences to become useful to society (cue lawyer joke here...) Edited August 25, 2010 by entrerix Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 EVE Online could be used a lot. Study of an economy, what happens when sociopaths are given weapons, etc. Agreed. EVE Online is already much more interesting, simply because of the weird social aspects going on. Or maybe that would fit in with psychology. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maria Caliban Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 This is a triumph. I'm writing a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 This is a triumph. I'm writing a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. You don't seem to be a bad person so I'm going to just ask you politely to stop. The Portal memes got old years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 26, 2010 Author Share Posted August 26, 2010 She didn't even get all the words right So, the real question is, how does Portal represent socialism's eternal struggle against the imperialist hordes in a post-modern society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionavar Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Thread Pruned: Please try to stay on topic and leave the sand in the box ... otherwise I have to move form the Roost, which is never to anyone's benefit ... FLoSD.ObE The universe is change; your life is what our thoughts make it - Marcus Aurelius (161) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 This is a triumph. I'm writing a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. You don't seem to be a bad person so I'm going to just ask you politely to stop. The Portal memes got old years ago. Classic never go out of style. Maybe this isn't in the interest of discussion, but won't we run the risk of over analyzing a simple game. The game is an obvious deconstruction of classical storytelling devices. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 This is a triumph. I'm writing a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. You don't seem to be a bad person so I'm going to just ask you politely to stop. The Portal memes got old years ago. We do what we must because we can. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 26, 2010 Author Share Posted August 26, 2010 (edited) I just remembered that there was a great essay about Portal being being the "feminist FPS". Also there's that weird GLaDOS bondage thing, I don't know if anyone has figured that out yet... Edited August 26, 2010 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 I just remembered that there was a great essay about Portal being being the "feminist FPS". Also there's that weird GLaDOS bondage thing, I don't know if anyone has figured that out yet... Of course it's been figured out. There's a jpeg and everything. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 26, 2010 Author Share Posted August 26, 2010 Well, if there's a jpeg... The amount of analysis written about Portal is quite staggering, now that I look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Well, if there's a jpeg... The amount of analysis written about Portal is quite staggering, now that I look into it. Except it's all pretty worthless. I doubt there's a big metaphor behind Portal ala Ico. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 This is a triumph. I'm writing a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. You don't seem to be a bad person so I'm going to just ask you politely to stop. The Portal memes got old years ago. Classic never go out of style. Maybe this isn't in the interest of discussion, but won't we run the risk of over analyzing a simple game. The game is an obvious deconstruction of classical storytelling devices. Valve spent a fair bit of time getting the psychology of Portal right. I don't think there's anything particularly obvious about Portal. In fact, it's manifestly subtle and nefarious. Portal is not a simple game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Valve spent a fair bit of time getting the psychology of Portal right. I don't think there's anything particularly obvious about Portal. In fact, it's manifestly subtle and nefarious. Portal is not a simple game. It would have been better if they spent some more time getting the gameplay right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Valve spent a fair bit of time getting the psychology of Portal right. I don't think there's anything particularly obvious about Portal. In fact, it's manifestly subtle and nefarious. Portal is not a simple game. It would have been better if they spent some more time getting the gameplay right. You are going to rip on a game whose everything has been deified to dead by every living critic on the world. Good luck with that! I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Valve spent a fair bit of time getting the psychology of Portal right. I don't think there's anything particularly obvious about Portal. In fact, it's manifestly subtle and nefarious. Portal is not a simple game. It would have been better if they spent some more time getting the gameplay right. You are going to rip on a game whose everything has been deified to dead by every living critic on the world. Good luck with that! And I should care.. because? Seriously, Portal was a cool quirky game, but it had an incredibly rushed pace and didn't really feel developed at all. It was ...gimmicky. Portal 2 looks like it's fixing that flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 28, 2010 Author Share Posted August 28, 2010 Seriously, Portal was a cool quirky game, but it had an incredibly rushed pace and didn't really feel developed at all. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Seriously, Portal was a cool quirky game, but it had an incredibly rushed pace and didn't really feel developed at all. How so? I'm going to use an example : the rocket launcher turret thingies. There were like.. two in the whole game? There could have been potentially tons of puzzle using them (of course, making the game too long would have been a mistake too, but Portal could have easily lasted at least one hour or two more without hurting the game IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Valve spent a fair bit of time getting the psychology of Portal right. I don't think there's anything particularly obvious about Portal. In fact, it's manifestly subtle and nefarious. Portal is not a simple game. It would have been better if they spent some more time getting the gameplay right. You are going to rip on a game whose everything has been deified to dead by every living critic on the world. Good luck with that! And I should care.. because? Seriously, Portal was a cool quirky game, but it had an incredibly rushed pace and didn't really feel developed at all. It was ...gimmicky. Portal 2 looks like it's fixing that flaw. If by developed you mean expensive and flashy. By the graphic standards of today it may not be impressive, but Portal is a shining example of how simplicity can work better. That it's beauty. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 If by developed you mean expensive and flashy. By the graphic standards of today it may not be impressive, but Portal is a shining example of how simplicity can work better. That it's beauty. I guess you haven't read what I wrote. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 28, 2010 Author Share Posted August 28, 2010 Seriously, Portal was a cool quirky game, but it had an incredibly rushed pace and didn't really feel developed at all. How so? I'm going to use an example : the rocket launcher turret thingies. There were like.. two in the whole game? There could have been potentially tons of puzzle using them (of course, making the game too long would have been a mistake too, but Portal could have easily lasted at least one hour or two more without hurting the game IMHO). I don't remember any rocket launcher turrets in the campaign. Padding it out with a bunch more puzzles would have taken away from short, focused style they were going for. Also, it was released as a $20 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Also, it was released as a $20 game. Which is good, but still doesn't take away the fact that it feels underdeveloped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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