Killian Kalthorne Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Given all the fearmongering the Republicans are spouting about socialism, lets see what happens if you remove all aspects of socialism in the United States. 1. No more public education. All schools would be privatized and would no longer get any government funds nor would any family get any funds to put their children in those schools. We would have vast hordes of uneducated running about, but those who can afford the $5,000 to $15,000 a year tuition schools would no doubt charge would have smaller class sizes. This would also remove all grants and student loans provided and covered by the government as well. 2. Emergency Services would be all privatized. Each person would need to cover his or her own security, no doubt increasing gun sales and armored vests, along with providing his or her own way to stop fires and getting themselves to a hospital. It would be like the old west, something any true gun eunthusiast would love. 3. The military would be disbanded because that is one of the biggest socialist institutions in our government. Government funded security, government funded healthcare, government funded housing, and so forth and so on. Can't have any of that. 4. Removal of all farm subsidies would be needed. If a mom and pop farm cannot maintain itself as a viable competitor to a corporate farm then that is its problem, right? Why should the government pay for their failures and while we are at it any regulations on corporate farms should be removed as well. Why get in the way of business when the environment is concerned. That's socialist talk. 5. Medicare, Social Security, and Welfare would be removed as would WIC and similar programs. If the elderly, women and children, are too poor to take care of themselves let them die. Right. To have the government provide anything for them would be socialism and we cannot have that. Add in the removal of any regulations on businesses and companies, and give absolutely no support and rights to the individual would be right up the Republicans wet dream. Lets remove all socialism in the USA! "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Well, the military is funded to protect the government, so I'm not sure if it qualifies as a socialist institution. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Only Sith deal in absolutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I think it would be a lot like Cuba before the '59; the middle upper class and the economy would rise at the expense of the great poverty of the lower classes. It's the scenario in which Marx theories on social revolution would be most present; such as it was the case with Cuba. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Kalthorne Posted March 7, 2010 Author Share Posted March 7, 2010 I am just saying that if Republicans want to make sure that we have no socialism in our nation we must get rid of all the socialistic aspects we already have. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 The Republicans used to call the opposition 'Communists' because it was a convenient label with negative connotations, now that that nolonger has even the pretense of sounding genuine it's 'Socialist'. Every society known to man has some degree of redistribution, and that's what it really boils down to. We are talking about A : degrees, and B : labels. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I want teh kotor 3 Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Only Sith deal in absolutes! This. I'm not a big fan of socialism, to say the least, but even I admit that some socialistic elements (public education, roads, military, and police) must exist. In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum. R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I am just saying that if Republicans want to make sure that we have no socialism in our nation we must get rid of all the socialistic aspects we already have. You make the fatal mistake of assuming that people aren't hypocritical or just plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I am just saying that if Republicans want to make sure that we have no socialism in our nation we must get rid of all the socialistic aspects we already have. You make the fatal mistake of assuming that people aren't hypocritical or just plain stupid. Specially Americans. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhailian Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 snip It wouldn't be the gop's wet dream, it would actually be Ron Paul's wet dream. The gop pays lip service to the concept of fiscal responsibility just to get the votes of those that that appeals to, just like they pay lip sevice to supporting small businesses and being pro family values. It doesn't really mean anything, and a lot of the time it's just political sleight of hand so you don't see what they're really up to. But for all of us, there will come a point where it does matter, and it's gonna be like having a miniature suit-head shoving sticks up your butt all the time. - Tigranes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I am just saying that if Republicans want to make sure that we have no socialism in our nation we must get rid of all the socialistic aspects we already have. You make the fatal mistake of assuming that people aren't hypocritical or just plain stupid. Specially Americans. No. If you meet anyone, anywhere, ever, chances are that person is stupid. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 "This. I'm not a big fan of socialism, to say the least, but even I admit that some socialistic elements (public education, roads, military, and police) must exist. " I bet most anti socialist lenaing people including the vast majority of Republicans agree with you. I can't see some republican farmwife down in Texas believing that roads, military, police, and at least some sort of education should be suppplied by the gov't in some way. It's all a matter of degrees. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Kalthorne Posted March 7, 2010 Author Share Posted March 7, 2010 LETS REMOVE IT ALL! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 "This. I'm not a big fan of socialism, to say the least, but even I admit that some socialistic elements (public education, roads, military, and police) must exist. " I bet most anti socialist lenaing people including the vast majority of Republicans agree with you. I can't see some republican farmwife down in Texas believing that roads, military, police, and at least some sort of education should be suppplied by the gov't in some way. It's all a matter of degrees. Of course there is also that Republican guy who thinks people are poor because they are lazy and education is wasted on those people. That if you charge them for it only those who really want it will be getting it. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhailian Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 "Of course there is also that Republican guy who thinks people are poor because they are lazy and education is wasted on those people. That if you charge them for it only those who really want it will be getting it." That's not just one guy, that's pretty much the whole neocon base. But for all of us, there will come a point where it does matter, and it's gonna be like having a miniature suit-head shoving sticks up your butt all the time. - Tigranes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 "That's not just one guy, that's pretty much the whole neocon base." Simply don't believe you. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhailian Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I'm not saying neocon base = conservative base. These are not the same entities, they merely claim the same party. "Simply don't believe you." I don't need you to. But for all of us, there will come a point where it does matter, and it's gonna be like having a miniature suit-head shoving sticks up your butt all the time. - Tigranes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I'm waiting for some sort of beleaguered justification from the Libertarians. Namely taks and the other guy. (Something to do with dogs? I always confuse him with GreasyDogMeat.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of flies Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 That's not socialism. Socialism is about political and economic egalitarianism. That's just government use of power. Ooh, look at that military, I'm sure it's being used to spread political and economic egalitarianism instead of promoting US interests abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 That's not socialism. Socialism is about political and economic egalitarianism. That's just government use of power. Ooh, look at that military, I'm sure it's being used to spread political and economic egalitarianism instead of promoting US interests abroad. Shut up. Off to the gulags with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Kalthorne Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 That's not socialism. Socialism is about political and economic egalitarianism. That's just government use of power. Ooh, look at that military, I'm sure it's being used to spread political and economic egalitarianism instead of promoting US interests abroad. It promotes it within itself. Government pays for the service people's housing. The government pays for their medical care. The government pays for their food. The government provides it all for their military! SCREW THAT! Lets get rid of that socialistic ideology all together! If a pilot wants to fly a F-22 let him buy it himself, and not have it given to him by the government! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I want teh kotor 3 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 (edited) I'm waiting for some sort of beleaguered justification from the Libertarians. Namely taks and the other guy. (Something to do with dogs? I always confuse him with GreasyDogMeat.) I'm a Libertarian. What was originally suggested isn't libertarianism, its anarchism. They're not the same. Most libertarians agree that most of government needs to go, but that some is necessary. EDIT: From the OP, the steps suggested in 1 2 and 3 are bad. 4 5 and 6 (just calling it that) should be enacted. Edited March 8, 2010 by I want teh kotor 3 In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum. R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 (edited) Something to do with dogs? Could you mean Guard Dog? What was originally suggested isn't libertarianism, its anarchism. No, it's not. Edited March 8, 2010 by Deadly_Nightshade "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 That's not socialism. Socialism is about political and economic egalitarianism. That's just government use of power. Ooh, look at that military, I'm sure it's being used to spread political and economic egalitarianism instead of promoting US interests abroad. It promotes it within itself. Government pays for the service people's housing. The government pays for their medical care. The government pays for their food. The government provides it all for their military! SCREW THAT! Lets get rid of that socialistic ideology all together! If a pilot wants to fly a F-22 let him buy it himself, and not have it given to him by the government! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Okay, this is your third Wheeee on less than three hours. Did you finally took your antidepressants? I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I want teh kotor 3 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 What was originally suggested isn't libertarianism, its anarchism. No, it's not. Yes, it is. The OP suggests the removal of nearly all government functions. That is, for all intents and purposes, anarchism. In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum. R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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