The man speaks the truth, but no one listens

[Enoch]

VAT in Europe.

You know, that one should really be in spoiler tags with a health warning. If Americans click on it, they'll have cardiac arrests, seizures, whatever

The rates are comparatively high, but most U.S. states (and many cities) have sales taxes that total in the 5-10% range. It differs from a VAT because it is only assessed on the total price at the final point of sale (so, for example, wholesaler-to-retailer sales are untaxed), but it is similar in effect.

 

Methods of taxation vary by government level in the U.S., but generally, Federal taxes are income taxes, State taxes are sales and/or income taxes (usually some combination of the two, but some states have all one or the other), and municipality/county taxes are property and/or sales taxes.

[Wrath of Dagon]

What our voters and politicians need to realize is that if we want European levels of social services, we're going to have to pay European level taxes as well. Of course here we always want to have our cake and eat it too.

[Killian Kalthorne]

Only to find out that the cake is a lie.

[Humodour]

VAT in Europe.

 

Jesus Christ.

[Rosbjerg]

VAT in Europe.

 

Jesus Christ.

 

Tell me about it.. I seriously cannot imagine the amount of money our government rakes in with 25% added to every single purchase.. it scares me at times.

[Mamoulian War]

VAT in Europe.

 

Jesus Christ.

 

Tell me about it.. I seriously cannot imagine the amount of money our government rakes in with 25% added to every single purchase.. it scares me at times.

 

You know, lot of benefits European countries have compared to other countries, have very high cost, and they had to be paid somehow, i do not like the high VAT neither, but last time i had car accident and spent 42 days in hospital, i think it cost our government more than i had ever paid with all the VAT purchases i had... if i ended in hospital in an unnamed non-EU country... i would surely end up bankrupt, and could just shot myself in the head right after leaving the hospital...

Edited March 1, 2010 by Mamoulian War

[Walsingham]

With all this stuf about reckless share trading, does anyone know if VAT is put on share trades? Because I think it ought to be.

[213374U]

if i ended in hospital in an unnamed non-EU country... i would surely end up bankrupt, and could just shot myself in the head right after leaving the hospital...

No ****, Sherlock. Obviously, after years of paying insane taxes, you are left without the resources to face such an eventuality. You expect the state to cover your butt - which unsurprisingly, it can't do in your example.

[Killian Kalthorne]

If it wasn't for socialize medicine one of our greatest minds of the modern era would not have lived as long as he has. Stephen Hawking. That alone is a major plus for socialized medicine in my book.

[Mamoulian War]

if i ended in hospital in an unnamed non-EU country... i would surely end up bankrupt, and could just shot myself in the head right after leaving the hospital...

No ****, Sherlock. Obviously, after years of paying insane taxes, you are left without the resources to face such an eventuality. You expect the state to cover your butt - which unsurprisingly, it can't do in your example.

 

It did... And i have accumulated enough resources to have own big flat, own car, and i have no mortgage (or how it is called) and not a single EUR of debt Can you say that of yourself Mr.NoWelfareHealthcare

 

And it still make me happy that when **** hits the fan, all the money i payed to our welfare medical care can save my ass in a hospital when i get an heart attack and the i get heart surgery worth of 100.000+ EUR and i do not pay a single dime...

[Walsingham]

If it wasn't for socialize medicine one of our greatest minds of the modern era would not have lived as long as he has. Stephen Hawking. That alone is a major plus for socialized medicine in my book.

So i take it you assume my survival was not down to the NHS, but my preternatural skillz?

[Wrath of Dagon]

If it wasn't for socialize medicine one of our greatest minds of the modern era would not have lived as long as he has. Stephen Hawking. That alone is a major plus for socialized medicine in my book.

Just wait till the ****ing LHC destroys the earth because Hawking said it couldn't.

[Killian Kalthorne]

So i take it you assume my survival was not down to the NHS, but my preternatural skillz?

 

Nah, you are just icing on the cake, and the cake is a lie but the frosting is divine.

 

Icing. Frosting.

 

I just realize that cake descriptors make me feel cold.

[213374U]

if i ended in hospital in an unnamed non-EU country... i would surely end up bankrupt, and could just shot myself in the head right after leaving the hospital...

No ****, Sherlock. Obviously, after years of paying insane taxes, you are left without the resources to face such an eventuality. You expect the state to cover your butt - which unsurprisingly, it can't do in your example.

 

It did... And i have accumulated enough resources to have own big flat, own car, and i have no mortgage (or how it is called) and not a single EUR of debt Can you say that of yourself Mr.NoWelfareHealthcare

 

And it still make me happy that when **** hits the fan, all the money i payed to our welfare medical care can save my ass in a hospital when i get an heart attack and the i get heart surgery worth of 100.000+ EUR and i do not pay a single dime...

Uh... what exactly are you trying to prove? That your Euro tax regime is responsible for your privileged financial situation?

 

You first said that if you had had to receive medical attention in a non-EU country, you'd be so broke your only option would be suicide. But now you say that's actually not the case - this negates your original point, or is simply a non sequitur. You need to either stop rambling, stop making stuff up to push your point, or a combination of both.

 

And no, I don't have a flat. I don't need one, as I spend most of my time cruising around in my 100m yacht.

[Walsingham]

So i take it you assume my survival was not down to the NHS, but my preternatural skillz?

 

Nah, you are just icing on the cake, and the cake is a lie but the frosting is divine.

 

Icing. Frosting.

 

I just realize that cake descriptors make me feel cold.

 

Well they make me feel hungry. _Cold_?

 

EDIT: Ooooooh.

Edited March 2, 2010 by Walsingham

[Mamoulian War]

Uh... what exactly are you trying to prove? That your Euro tax regime is responsible for your privileged financial situation?

 

You first said that if you had had to receive medical attention in a non-EU country, you'd be so broke your only option would be suicide. But now you say that's actually not the case - this negates your original point, or is simply a non sequitur. You need to either stop rambling, stop making stuff up to push your point, or a combination of both.

 

And no, I don't have a flat. I don't need one, as I spend most of my time cruising around in my 100m yacht.

 

Actualy i was saying, that because, i am the only black sheep of my family, which does not work in Health Care industry, because i chosen IT career, that i am pretty much happy, that i can pay VAT so i can get free medical healthcare, because it's at the end cheaper, at least for the members of population which earn less than 1 million EUR per year

 

Believe me, i do know very very good how much health care costs and how much is the industry profitable

[Walsingham]

The NYT already looked into this. In the US the average pay for healthcare was about 2 grand. in the UK, we get roughly comparable care for 800. These figures are obviously going to be a bit rough and ready, but the simplest question is whether US healthcare is twice as good as the UK's and the answer in my experience is NO.

[Wrath of Dagon]

It's claimed our cancer survival rates are a lot higher, but I'm too lazy to look up links.

[Enoch]

It's claimed our cancer survival rates are a lot higher, but I'm too lazy to look up links.

Even if true, it's going to be cherry-picked data on one of many possible ailments.

[Hurlshort]

That reminds me, I got my hospital bill the other day. For my lovely two night stay, the bill was $75,000. Luckily I have double health coverage.

 

The ambulance ride was $1700.

[Killian Kalthorne]

There would be no way I could pay that. They would probably just let me die on the emergency room floor like so many have already.

[Hurlshort]

There would be no way I could pay that. They would probably just let me die on the emergency room floor like so many have already.

 

That isn't the way our hospitals work.

[Gfted1]

Of course he knows that from the other 75 times it was explained to him. Between this thread and the Apple thread I think it pretty clear hes abandoned any pretenses of having serious conversations.

Edited March 2, 2010 by Gfted1

[Killian Kalthorne]

That isn't the way our hospitals work.

 

Really?

 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/01/waiting.r...eath/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3273239&page=1

 

And that is just after a quick search. Who knows how many times this has happen and the hospitals successfully covered it up.

Edited March 2, 2010 by Killian Kalthorne

[Wrath of Dagon]

That reminds me, I got my hospital bill the other day. For my lovely two night stay, the bill was $75,000. Luckily I have double health coverage.

 

The ambulance ride was $1700.

Wow, what did they do to you for that much?