Slowtrain Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Why is China censoring WoW? Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Why is China censoring WoW? Because it shows too much bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Just to clarify, the previous post was not a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowtrain Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Just to clarify, the previous post was not a joke. What do you mean? Bone like internal framework for musculature? Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) Just to clarify, the previous post was not a joke. What do you mean? Bone like internal framework for musculature? That is correct. The Chinese government concluded it was unhealthy. Edit: The same Chinese government that encourages sending children to special clinics (only to be beaten to death) as a 'cure' for supposed internet addiction. They only just got around to banning electrocution at those camps. Edited August 8, 2009 by Krezack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 It's also disturbing that China is using its draconian censorship to try and destroy WoW in China. As long as they do that to every MMO I'll be singing them praises. That stupid genre will be the ruin of the PC. They're not and censorship isn't good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't see the point of those treatments. Its one thing to toughen up and get some exercise, but that sounds like a POW camp. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) I don't see the point of those treatments. Its one thing to toughen up and get some exercise, but that sounds like a POW camp. Hello, totalitarian communist China? They pretty much do whatever they want. There's supposed to be one "real" game addiction clinic in the Netherlands as well. Edited August 8, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't see the point of those treatments. Its one thing to toughen up and get some exercise, but that sounds like a POW camp. Hello, totalitarian communist China? They pretty much do whatever they want. You watch too much CNN. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't see the point of those treatments. Its one thing to toughen up and get some exercise, but that sounds like a POW camp. Hello, totalitarian communist China? They pretty much do whatever they want. You watch too much CNN. So they don't have game addiction treating camps? It's all lies to make us hate the happy Chinese people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't see the point of those treatments. Its one thing to toughen up and get some exercise, but that sounds like a POW camp. Hello, totalitarian communist China? They pretty much do whatever they want. You watch too much CNN. So they don't have game addiction treating camps? It's all lies to make us hate the happy Chinese people? Apparently they do, but they effectively stopped being communist and totalitarian a decade ago, not to mention that that was an unfair evaluation given whom its coming from (US/EU). As if they are innocence incarnate. But this is going so off topic. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't see the point of those treatments. Nor do I, but that's kind of the point: many of the things the Chinese government does or supports are only understood from the perspective of someone perpetually paranoid. Its one thing to toughen up and get some exercise, but that sounds like a POW camp. Because... they are? For example, where do you think Chinese protesters (e.g. Olympics, Tibet, Uyghur) are sent when they're arrested and sentenced to something like '2 years hard labour' for 'subverting the state'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) Apparently they do, but they effectively stopped being communist and totalitarian a decade ago, not to mention that that was an unfair evaluation given whom its coming from (US/EU). As if they are innocence incarnate. But this is going so off topic. Having someone from the former Yugoslavia defend a clearly totalitarian country is pretty weird as well. Just take a look at their censorship politics. Don't bring the US/EU into this, they might not be "innocence incarnate", but neither are they comparable to China. Edited August 8, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maria Caliban Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) Why is China censoring WoW? China is doing a number of things in regards to online gaming. The first is measures to limit online play time for all MMORPGS: The new system will impose penalties on players who spend more than three hours playing a game by reducing the abilities of their characters. Gamers who spend more than five hours will have the abilities of their in-game character severely limited. More than 20 million people play online games in China Players will be forced to take a five-hour break before they can return to a game. "The timing mechanism can prevent young people from becoming addicted to online games," said Xiaowei Kou, of the General Administration of Press and Publication (GAPP), the body which regulates online gaming. All the biggest online game operators in China have said they will adopt the new system. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4183340.stm In July 2007, the company that runs WoW in China added a patch that removed skeletons from the game. They said this was their decision. Bones and skeletons have disappeared from the Chinese version of the popular on-line fantasy game, World of Warcraft (WoW), sparking fierce criticism from the nation's army of players.Chinese mainland gamers have waited half a year longer than their US counterparts for the upgraded version of the WoW, only to find the appearances of familiar skeletal characters have been fleshed out. The skeletons, regular characters, grow flesh in the new version and the bones symbolizing dead characters have been changed to graves. http://www.china.org.cn/english/entertainment/216622.htm This year, Blizzard dropped the company running WoW in China for a new one, which meant the game had to be reapproved. This took six weeks: After a six-week suspension, World of Warcraft is now "partially" up and running in China. The game went on hiatus after Activision switched operators, moving the MMORPG from The9 over to rival NetEase. However, the Chinese government's General Administration of Press and Publication (GAPP) stepped in before the game could re-open and decided that additional aspects needed to be changed (or censored). According to this report on MMORPG News, WOW is currently in closed beta for one week while the changes are applied. Current players have noticed that previous piles of bones have now been replaced by bags of sand. In-game talent tree icons, once appearing as severed heads, bones, and blood, are now represented as boxes. Additionally, blood is no longer red, but appears as black oil instead. The current changes aren't the first revisions made to WOW in China. Undead characters--once sporting exposed bones or bone accessories--were revised in order to cover or remove the bones entirely. The change stemmed from a controversial subway advertisement featuring undead characters from World of Warcraft that supposedly scared children. The Chinese government deemed the initial change was necessary due to the lack of specific age ratings on games sold in Chinese retail shops. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/China-Wor...-Game,8415.html Kutatu has a visual of the changes. Edited August 8, 2009 by Maria Caliban "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowtrain Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 What's wrong with bones? I totally don't get it. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 but they effectively stopped being communist and totalitarian a decade ago China did no such thing mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 What's wrong with bones? I totally don't get it. A wild guess is that it has something to do with chinese traditional religions. Its probably disrespectful from some standpoint. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowtrain Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 What's wrong with bones? I totally don't get it. A wild guess is that it has something to do with chinese traditional religions. Its probably disrespectful from some standpoint. That would be the only thing that makes any sort of sense. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 The cult of respect for ancestors has always been strong in China, showing bones all over the place wouldnt be desirable for obvious reasons. That's my reasoning. Apart from that censoring any PC game is just giving it more importance than it deserves, and overrating its influence. But we're used to that. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 It's also disturbing that China is using its draconian censorship to try and destroy WoW in China. As long as they do that to every MMO I'll be singing them praises. That stupid genre will be the ruin of the PC. How does that work? It's one of the few genre's that is more successful on the PC than on consoles. And Guild Wars is not an MMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 How does that work? It's one of the few genre's that is more successful on the PC than on consoles. And Guild Wars is not an MMO. Its success is just another nail in the coffin of single player RPG games. Not that they will cease to exist, but we could have done without Biowares SW MMO and played KOTOR 3 or something of that sort. What is it then? Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) How does that work? It's one of the few genre's that is more successful on the PC than on consoles. And Guild Wars is not an MMO. Its success is just another nail in the coffin of single player RPG games. Not that they will cease to exist, but we could have done without Biowares SW MMO and played KOTOR 3 or something of that sort. What is it then? From the GW website: "Rather than labeling Guild Wars an MMORPG, we prefer to call it a CORPG (Competitive Online Role-Playing Game). Guild Wars was designed from the ground up to create the best possible competitive role-playing experience. Success in Guild Wars is always the result of player skill, not time spent playing or the size of one's guild. As characters progress, they acquire a diverse set of skills and items, enabling them to use new strategies in combat. Players can do battle in open arenas or compete in guild-vs-guild warfare or the international tournament. Engaging in combat is always the player's choice, however; there is no player-killing in cooperative areas of the world." There are many differences between standard MMO's and GW, but the one that makes a difference for me is the fact that you will never run across another person while exploring the world. Almost every relationship I've ever developed in an MMO has stemmed from the fact I was fighting in the wilderness, then stumbled across another person doing the same, and we banded together to reach our goal. Sitting in a city yelling for a group doesn't appeal to me at all. As for the SW MMO, the alternative could just as likely be that we wouldn't get KotOR III at all because the PC market is too small. I'm not sure why we feel the need to blame one genre for the demise of another. The genre is weak all on its own. Edited August 8, 2009 by Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 How does that work? It's one of the few genre's that is more successful on the PC than on consoles. And Guild Wars is not an MMO. Its success is just another nail in the coffin of single player RPG games. Not that they will cease to exist, but we could have done without Biowares SW MMO and played KOTOR 3 or something of that sort. What is it then? MMO's cause some nails, but what really causes it is, people not buying them. The Witcher a game you are so fond of sold what, 1 million. I don't think NWN2 and its expansions did that well either, neither did Mass Effect. Why I don't know, for whatever reason (some peole with very big heads will chip in here about quality) RPGs/FPS don't sell that well on PC anymore. You watch DA:O, AP and Risen will all sell better on the consoles despite being better on PC. I think a possible reason for PC games not selling well, is because all of us PC gamers are on forums posting, instead of going out and buying games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Well FO3 sold 8 million. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) Selling a million units is VERY good, especially on the PC. Mass Effect is Bioware's best selling game and sold pretty well, which is why they are cranking out Mass Effect 2 and eventually Mass Effect 3. Mass Effect sold one million units within the first three weeks. Edited August 8, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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