net neutrality

[Humodour]

Ive always wondered how the peole at 4chan manages to organise themselves into doing anything since the forums are completely chaotic. Its essentially just an old webchat where messages are stacked on top of eachother sorted by timestamp. You write something and a minute later it will be gone in the flood of messages.

 

I've wondered the same thing. I don't think they organise anything usually (except Scientology raids, which are done via dedicated web sites for it) but a lot of 4chan viewers are enterprising hackers or thugs go around stealing the data of a CEO or cutting AT&T cables with dull implements (implying animal damage). At the same time a lot aren't - a lot more are normal people. It gets a bit of a bad name.

[Kaftan Barlast]

I personally think 4chan should get more crap than they do now. The whole site is just, except for the 5 guys in the other channels, people posting ever increasingly vile manga porn.

 

 

SA is way funnier, just look at Uncyklopedia vs. Encyklopedia Dramatica.

[Humodour]

I personally think 4chan should get more crap than they do now. The whole site is just, except for the 5 guys in the other channels, people posting ever increasingly vile manga porn.

 

The other channels get way more activity than /b/ does, so I think you just dislike them and are fudging the facts to fit.

 

Not that I really care I guess. I browse it like once a month when I'm bored in class. But it's like somebody saying the Obsidian boards are vile because they don't like the topics in WWOT - most people aren't here for WWOT.

[Aristes]

Yeah, but I never think of us as vile. Maybe insane every now and then. Certainly mind-boggling strange from time to time. Not vile, though.

 

I don't know. If AT&T just up and decided to do something to 4chan out of a desire to censor, I have less sympathy for them simply because I agree with the idea of a free and open internet. On the other hand, 4chan going after specific individuals for the fun of it?

[Deadly_Nightshade]

...but it does have a bunch of funny stuff.

 

Not really.

[kirottu]

Actually, some really funny stuff has come out of 4chan... you just have to swim through oceans of **** to see them.

[Humodour]

Pretty much every funny Internet meme came from 4chan. Also every unfunny one.

[EUIX]

The problem with 4chan is it has gotten way too popular these days. A couple years ago the 4chan demographic was mostly college students and the site was not even well known on the internet. Nowadays everyone and their mothers knows about 4chan and the demographic has shifted down to as young as middle school kids. If you ever walk into a college these days the proliferation of memes such as "failed", "i haz it", and so forth is rampant, this trend even extends down to high schools and maybe even below. This naturally mirrored the downward spiral of the random board /b/, that and the popularization of 4chan into wider society has lead to all the recent stupidity such as scientology raids, real life 4chan meeting, increased usage of tripcodes (that is users who consistently post using an unique name, generally to troll or to cam whore). Nowadays there is a whole generation growing up who think they are edgy and avant-garde to surf on 4chan.

 

4chan really just needs to turn on force anonymity, permanently ban every single trip code user and get rid of the /b/ board at least for a while because /b/ makes up the vast majority of 4chan traffic.

[Walsingham]

What if they made every user smell of haddock?

[Kaftan Barlast]

4chan has always been a hub for japophiles, retards and annoying little kids. Lets not pretend otherwise.

[Rostere]

What if they made every user smell of haddock?

 

Utter genius, now there's only the tiny technical issue of actually making it work.

[Walsingham]

What if they made every user smell of haddock?

 

Utter genius, now there's only the tiny technical issue of actually making it work.

 

We could backtrack the users then have teams of men from defunct industries hunt them down.

[Oner]

What if they made every user smell of haddock?

 

Utter genius, now there's only the tiny technical issue of actually making it work.

 

We could backtrack the users then have teams of men from defunct industries hunt them down.

*Remembers the ending of Jay and Silent Bob strike back.*

[Meshugger]

4chan has always been a hub for japophiles, retards and annoying little kids. Lets not pretend otherwise.

 

Ehum...

 

 

Yeah, they actually celebrate being the home of the most degenerates of the Interwebs. I fail to understand why people see it as "cool & hip", when the whole purpose of 4chan is completely in a different direction.

[ShadySands]

Court creates new game for Web access in America

 

A federal appeals court struck down the U.S. government’s rationale for regulating broadband Internet providers, opening the door for telecom companies to exert more control over what consumers see online.

 

The ruling took aim at the so-called “net neutrality” rule that required broadband companies to treat all Internet content equally. But now, a company such as TimeWarner Cable could speed up access to Disney Web sites for a fee, essentially creating a system that would offer the fastest service to the highest bidder.

[Walsingham]

I don't see a problem with companies subsidising access to their own material.

 

With the 'natural' user-driven dominance of services like Facebook, Youtube and Wikipedia the net hasn't been a level playing field for at least ten years.

[Oerwinde]

in Canada, the cable/satellite companies own the internet providers and the cell networks, and recently bought the major TV networks. So what's happening now is they're setting bandwidth caps for internet use, then offering similar services to Netflix that don't count towards your cap.

[Meshugger]

Soon enough, only criminals would want to have "full access" to the web. Mark my words.

 

It happened to Radio and it happened to TV as well.

[Walsingham]

Soon enough, only criminals would want to have "full access" to the web. Mark my words.

 

It happened to Radio and it happened to TV as well.

 

I'm only asking because I'm interested. how would you functionally describe 'full access'?

[Meshugger]

Wrong question. The right question, in a philosophical sense, is what should be denied access?

[Mor]

Color me confused 

[Walsingham]

Wrong question. The right question, in a philosophical sense, is what should be denied access?

 

Not from a design perspective. How do you design a system with an infinite access options?

 

Sure your statement will make a philosophy major happy. But a little clue should be the employment prospects of philosophy majors.

 

Practicalities, mother****er. ;p

[Mor]

in Canada, the cable/satellite companies own the internet providers and the cell networks, and recently bought the major TV networks. So what's happening now is they're setting bandwidth caps for internet use, then offering similar services to Netflix that don't count towards your cap.

I am not familiar with Canada telecommunication market, but it seem to me that you outlined two issues, which are not necessarily related. One is your cable/satellite companies created a monopoly, which should be dealt with like any other monopoly through competition laws. The second is bandwidth caps, which is unpopular among certain circles but legitimate in most cases.

 

Court creates new game for Web access in America

A federal appeals court struck down the U.S. government’s rationale for regulating broadband Internet providers, opening the door for telecom companies to exert more control over what consumers see online.

 

The ruling took aim at the so-called “net neutrality” rule that required broadband companies to treat all Internet content equally. But now, a company such as TimeWarner Cable could speed up access to Disney Web sites for a fee, essentially creating a system that would offer the fastest service to the highest bidder.

 

I don't see what the problem. I don't care what the ISP choose to prioritize, as long as I am getting a good service, the moment that seize to be true I call one of the other dozen ISPs(they would deal with the transfer paper work) Edited January 18, 2014 by Mor

[samm]

More means to stifle competition, what's not to love? Who needs freedom of choice anyway. Or freedom. Everyone's ok with constant surveillance, so I'm sure no one will mind that big corps will be the only ones offering services at reasonable bandwidth and response times.

It's the free market baby, it'll regulate itself to the best of our interest <3

[Tale]

I don't see a problem with companies subsidising access to their own material.

Except they're not subsidizing their material, they're interfering with everyone else's.

 

The road analogy would be if Wal-Mart was allowed to set up tolls in front of Target. The telephone, a less abstract analogy, would be if Verizon was allowed to intentionally degrade all telephone calls made to someone using AT&T.

 

Imagine if the infrastructure they're using to do this was publicly subsidized. It is. And imagine if they were the only option in town, which is true in many places in America.

 

It's anti-competitive.