Xard Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) Moatiallita, I take you haven't played MGS2 then I haven't no. I doubt that I'll be as excited as you as I wasn't too awed by the "philosophy" of MGS1 and have heard that 2 is worse, so I'm kinda awaiting a bull**** overload so that I can concentrate on the gameplay and the narrative, which is incidentially the high-points of MGS1 Wait what, MGS1 had philosophy? No, only MGS2 of these is only philosophical work. Maybe first one throwed some typical japanese quasiphilosophy but no, it wasn't philosophical work per se. Tale, can you tell if Snake is really going to die? I'd guess so since Kojima wants to finally end his series Well MGS1 had more philosophy about the self and the will to live (How to beat foxdie? Live! IIRC) MGS2 was about the nature of society. MGS3 was just a cook fest. Ocelot Meowing included. I just wonder what would have happened if we had dealt with ADAM instead of EVA in MGS3. Was that NGE reference or just some tidbit of MGS lore I've forgotten about? I can't remember anything about "ADAM" in MGS's Wait what, MGS1 had philosophy? You'll find MGS1 has something of an anti-deterministic message. It was specifically that your life and what you're capable of isn't pre-ordained. Mostly specific to genetics, but Foxdie was a broader application of it. Tale, can you tell if Snake is really going to die? I'd guess so since Kojima wants to finally end his series Yes. Anti-Deterministic! Yay for us naturalistic libertarians (which reminds me about one particular topic...eeh nvm) Japanese fiction in general tend to be quite deterministic in disguise of "fate". Sartrean existentialism and individualism is rare there compared to western world. Well, of course nature of worldviews are entirely different too Ahh, I thought so too. However one fellow said that Kojima denied that in interview - he didn't provide link though. I haven't played MGS1 in years. Maybe I should get my old psone out of its box... To find all the stuff I missed back then Why Konami has gone so against PC versions? MGS2 did have PC version but MGS3 didn't... Edited June 6, 2008 by Xard How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) MGS2 PC was a DVD-Rom only game back when most still had CD options. Like MGS2 on the Xbox, it had relatively poor sales compared to the PS2 game. Which is why 3 was PS2 exclusive. Edited June 6, 2008 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xard Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Well, I bought it after getting bored of loaning my friend's PS2 ( I really should buy that console now that is teh cheap) How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I've got 3 of them. Only 2 currently work, though. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) Amazon put up the 80GB bundles with MGS4 for pre-order today. Shortly after, the site's main connection went down. https still works. Some claim that it's related. And they appear to have sold out within minutes. edit: https is down, too. Edited June 6, 2008 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 Moatiallita, I take you haven't played MGS2 then I haven't no. I doubt that I'll be as excited as you as I wasn't too awed by the "philosophy" of MGS1 and have heard that 2 is worse, so I'm kinda awaiting a bull**** overload so that I can concentrate on the gameplay and the narrative, which is incidentially the high-points of MGS1 Wait what, MGS1 had philosophy? No, only MGS2 of these is only philosophical work. Maybe first one throwed some typical japanese quasiphilosophy but no, it wasn't philosophical work per se. Tale, can you tell if Snake is really going to die? I'd guess so since Kojima wants to finally end his series Well MGS1 had more philosophy about the self and the will to live (How to beat foxdie? Live! IIRC) MGS2 was about the nature of society. MGS3 was just a cook fest. Ocelot Meowing included. I just wonder what would have happened if we had dealt with ADAM instead of EVA in MGS3. Was that NGE reference or just some tidbit of MGS lore I've forgotten about? I can't remember anything about "ADAM" in MGS's when they first brief you for the Snake eater mission in MGS3 they mention that there are two spies within the soviets forces. ADAM and EVA. You're supposed to meet Adam at the factory like structure at the beginning but EVA shows up instead. actually adam does show, Adam= Ocelot Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted June 7, 2008 Author Share Posted June 7, 2008 Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xard Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 and I wonder sometimes why people say I have bad memory... oh well How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xard Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 I just tried to install MGS2 Forgot the DVD doesn't work Now I'm sad panda How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I'm trying to see if I can get Thursday off work. hah "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Don't go in the OT forum, btw. Some people have been posting spoilers there. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Our OT forum? I'll kill them all! "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 In order to get Thursday off, I decided to stop slacking as much and catch up all my work. Well, it's now 1:30 and I'm not going to have anything left to do today or tomorrow. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted June 12, 2008 Author Share Posted June 12, 2008 *looks at the clock* *taps foot* *wishes he was working midnight launch* Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 *wishes his gamestop had a midnight launch* 12 hours 14 minutes to go. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoma Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) If its true Snake dies in the end, I hope he would at least reconcile with Meryl in the last instalment. Kind of disheartening to see in the trailer that when they both finally meet each other, their relationship suddenly gets demoted into stranger/acquaintance kind. Edited June 12, 2008 by Zoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted June 12, 2008 Author Share Posted June 12, 2008 Yay! I gots it! I played for two hours, got through the opening then got to meet Drebin! New feature: Guns used by PMC's are Id Locked (this was used in previous metal gears to say "sorry you can only use what you find in boxes conveniently strewn about the facility/jungle). Except that this time, you get drebin! Drebin is a Black market arms merchant who can remove the ID locks from your guns and sell you guns. any gun you pick up thats a duplicate is instantly sold to him, there isn't dollars or yen or what have you, just credit that you can cash in for guns and services. I must say, it's REALLY HARD to go from MGS3's control scheme (square and circle being attack and CQC buttons respectivly) to MGS4's (ready your knife with L1 and use R1 to attack with it or R2 to zap someone with it). Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted June 12, 2008 Author Share Posted June 12, 2008 Huh, Just ran through the wiki for MGS4 and appearently Liquid Ocelot in japan is voiced by the guy who did Liquid snake, Meanwhile the american version has the origional Ocelot Voice. This was because the Ocelot Voice actor died in 06. Also Jenny Hale is Naomi... forgotten that fact. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) Holy! Got to deep into act three tonight. Umm two things one includes massive spoilers but I just gotta mention it to get it out of my system, the other is that Sunny is the greatest character in the series. ok spoilers... Don't read this it spoils one of the greatest secrets of the series. I'm not kidding! Also I hate how they kinda tossed out the reason vamp is immortal in a throw away line. WoW everyone who lived in MGS3 is a freaking Patriot... and here I thought that MGS3 had like nothing to do with the others. Also Sigint is Donald Anderson from MGS1. Edited June 13, 2008 by Calax Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Kitty Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I bought the game today. I wasn't planning on it, I just saw it in the store and I couldn't help myself, I couldn't not buy it. I'll borrow my nephews PS3 this weekend to play it. Also Sigint is Donald Anderson from MGS1. I'm pretty sure that's implied in MGS3 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I have a question concerning this series, which I've never played. I've a PS2 and PS3. I know MGS2&3 are available for PS2. I also know MGS1 is considered a legendary game, but that one is not available for PS2. So is it necessary to have played the original? And is there by any chance some sort of updated version? I seem to recall there was one for GameCube (with new camera options amongst other things), but seeing as I don't have one of those I'd need to play the original PS1 version (on my PS2). Which probably looks quite uitdated by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Kitty Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) The PS2 is backwards compatible with PS1 games, so if you could find yourself a copy of MSG you'd be set, although, yes, it does look quite old now. The Twin Snakes on Gamecube is MSG1 done with the MGS2s gameplay and engine. Personally I think it's inferior to the PS1 original. I think you'd be missing out on quite a bit if you haven't played all the games in the series. Edited June 13, 2008 by Hell Kitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) I played 14 hours straight last night. I see your Chapter 3 and raise you completion of Chapter 4! 11:00 am to 1:00 am That is all. Edited June 13, 2008 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moatilliatta Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 So can any of you guys tell me how it hold up to the other games in the series? Preferably without spoilers. Also Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance, good Y/N? Wikipedia talks about alterations and that scares me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) So can any of you guys tell me how it hold up to the other games in the series? Preferably without spoilers. Also Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance, good Y/N? Wikipedia talks about alterations and that scares me. 4 is good. I can't give you a direct comparison saying it's better or worse than any others overall. Not until I finish and maybe replay again. I'll give these points. Gameplay: Jumps around. Unlike MGS 1, 2, 3, and PO, 4 moves between game types quite a bit. You're going to spend a good 6 hours or so doing the game type that we see advertised by the game. Stealth on the battlefield. But then it begins to jump around to other gametypes. I'm only 14 hours in, so maybe we'll get back to it for a while before it's done. Boss battles: Not as good as The End, but not bad. 3 out of 5 so far have been quite interesting. Story: So far, it's doing a lot of what the gameplay is. It's introducing a lot of old characters and moving quickly. But the test of the stories in the series has always come from revelations closer to the end. Edit: Definitely note what I said earlier, though. I played 14 hours straight in one day. My opinion of how quicly things go by might be a bit skewed. Edited June 13, 2008 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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