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It changes a lot...

 

The best I've ever played are the Halo series, Ace Combat 6 and KotOR 1... oh and Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2 is the best GBA game ever created.

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"Lords of Midnight"

 

Best game ever! :-

 

"Elite" would be a close second.

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Gamerhelp has produced a list of 18 genre-defining 'pinnacle' games. I'm not sure that defining a genre and being the highest achievement in that genre are quite the same thing.

 

As a case in point, the best Adventure is Quest for Glory I. Now, I love the Quest for Glory series (I named it my favourite in this very thread), but how did it define the adventure genre when it's an adventure-RPG hybrid, and perhaps the only true adventure-RPG hybrid? :)

 

I also notice that Fallout 3 is declared a 'worthy heir' to Fallout, impressive since it hasn't even been finished yet. :)

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Honorable Mention: Planescape: Torment; Oblivion

 

Oblivion? Right, all credibility right out the window then.

 

And as Steve points out, considering how little is known about FO3, calling it a worthy heir is obviously a prediction of nostradamus-like magnitude. WHich is to say, total BS. :)

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Honorable Mention: Planescape: Torment; Oblivion

 

Oblivion? Right, all credibility right out the window then.

 

And as Steve points out, considering how little is known about FO3, calling it a worthy heir is obviously a prediction of nostradamus-like magnitude. WHich is to say, total BS. :)

 

 

I think that by "worthy heir", they meant games that haven't been released, but that they feel will keep that game's particular genre alive.

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Honorable Mention: Planescape: Torment; Oblivion

 

Oblivion? Right, all credibility right out the window then.

 

And as Steve points out, considering how little is known about FO3, calling it a worthy heir is obviously a prediction of nostradamus-like magnitude. WHich is to say, total BS. :)

 

 

I think that by "worthy heir", they meant games that haven't been released, but that they feel will keep that game's particular genre alive.

 

Obiously the Codex and NMA were not consulted when this list was put together then.

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Of course.

 

Anyway, I just read through the whole article, and I have to say that I think it's mostly an uninformed take on the nature of game genres. Just pointless.

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Of course.

 

Anyway, I just read through the whole article, and I have to say that I think it's mostly an uninformed take on the nature of game genres. Just pointless.

 

 

I thought the choices for turn base strat games were pretty decent, althought I think personally I would put Civ-type games in a different category from games liek XCOM and Jag 2.

 

Also, even though I am not a terribly enthusiiastic fan of Half Life (Hi Alan!), I do agree that it was a pretty important game for bringing major change to the FPS genre. Though of course the original System SHock had already done all that and more years earlier, but Half Life brough tthose changes to much wider audience.

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I thought the choices for turn base strat games were pretty decent, althought I think personally I would put Civ-type games in a different category from games liek XCOM and Jag 2.

 

Also, even though I am not a terribly enthusiiastic fan of Half Life (Hi Alan!), I do agree that it was a pretty important game for bringing major change to the FPS genre. Though of course the original System SHock had already done all that and more years earlier, but Half Life brough tthose changes to much wider audience.

 

 

Actually, in my opinion, as far as Civ games go the defining game is the original because, well, duh!

 

Another problem I had with the list was calling RE2 a survival horror game, as I've always felt that RE games, despite all their qualities, were never really horror games in the same way that Silent Hill or SS2 were.

 

Also, a few sentences really struck me as dumb:

 

"Half-Life is, and still remains, the shining example of what can be done with the FPS genre not only in terms of narrative storytelling but in terms of overall design."

 

"Yes, we know hardcore PC RPG nuts will no doubt lament the choice of Fallout over other notable titles like Oblivion"

 

 

Gah!

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"Yes, we know hardcore PC RPG nuts will no doubt lament the choice of Fallout over other notable titles like Oblivion"

 

 

That's almost eternally quotable.

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Gamerhelp has produced a list of 18 genre-defining 'pinnacle' games. I'm not sure that defining a genre and being the highest achievement in that genre are quite the same thing.

 

As a case in point, the best Adventure is Quest for Glory I. Now, I love the Quest for Glory series (I named it my favourite in this very thread), but how did it define the adventure genre when it's an adventure-RPG hybrid, and perhaps the only true adventure-RPG hybrid? :huh:

 

I also notice that Fallout 3 is declared a 'worthy heir' to Fallout, impressive since it hasn't even been finished yet. :p

They sound like a bunch of idiots saying that. The game is not out and by all of the information that has come out, its nothing like the old games but in name only.

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Games that significantly influenced me and which I will always adore:

Jazz Jackrabbit (1 and 2 are equally great)

Fallout 1 (I first played this in year 6 so it was a very unique experience)

Half-Life 1 (Made me start to enjoy shooters... plus the science in the game was weefun)

Deus Ex 1 (I used to go around quoting the game... hell I still do... it also inspired my interest in chemistry)

Planescape: Torment (Sent me on a philosophical rampage at one point)

KoTOR1 (Got me interested enough in Star Wars to watch the movies... the old 3 were good, the new 3 were ****)

Age of Empires 1 & 2 (Seriously the best RTS's ever)

 

Games which I adore but wouldn't say influenced me overly much me:

Baldur's Gate 1

Icewind Dale 1

Fallout 2

System Shock 2

Vampire: Bloodlines

HL1: Opposing Force

Jedi Knight 2

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Actually, in my opinion, as far as Civ games go the defining game is the original because, well, duh!

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DUH

 

It's my favourite too, but not the defining one.

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Age of Empires 1 & 2 (Seriously the best RTS's ever)

 

And here I was, thinking you had good taste

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- Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge

- Star Wars: Jedi Knight 2 (Jedi Academy sucks)

- KotOR (first one)

- Microprose Soccer

- Sensible World of Soccer (SWOS)

- Fallout Series

- Icewind Dale

- Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura

- Freedom Force series

- NOLF

- AVP2

- Tron 2.0

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KOTOR being my fav game at the moment and since it came out, here is my list.

 

- KOTOR I

- Halo 1 & 2

- Morrowind & Oblivion

- Unreal Tournament (all of them apart from Unreal III)

- C&C (all of them apart from Generals)

- Dungeons & Dragons: Dragonshrad

- Dungeon siege I & II

- America's Army

- Praetorians

- Summoner I

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