Dungeons and Dragons 4th Edition is on the way...

[Dark_Raven]

I'm glad that they're killing off some of the big names. The FR setting is a fat, bloated pig. It waddles around freely because so many people like a fatty diet with lots of pork, but it would not only be healthier on a diet, it would taste a hell of lot better also.

If they wanted dead gods than they should have left that lamer Bane dead.

 

If they kill Mystra off, they kill the weave. No weave, no magic. Sounds like they are trying to advance the FR setting into something else. They might as well just kill of the FR setting period.

[Dark_Raven]

Or they could just put it out of our misery and start anew.

I agree. If they are going to make all of these stupid changes, they might as well kill it off and start something new.

[Tale]

I'm glad that they're killing off some of the big names. The FR setting is a fat, bloated pig. It waddles around freely because so many people like a fatty diet with lots of pork, but it would not only be healthier on a diet, it would taste a hell of lot better also.

If they wanted dead gods than they should have left that lamer Bane dead.

 

If they kill Mystra off, they kill the weave. No weave, no magic. Sounds like they are trying to advance the FR setting into something else. They might as well just kill of the FR setting period.

Bane is awesome. Who else to represent a tyrant? He's a perfect personality for the universe. Unlike Bhaal who was a lawful psychopath and Myrkul who was evil when the universe fits a neutral god of death more.

 

They need to let Bane do some of the major changes to the universe. Cyric gets too much play despite Lawful Evil being the supposed frequently successful kind of evil.

Edited November 24, 2007 by Tale

[Dark_Raven]

Cyric needs to die also. I can't stand him. Same goes with Lolth. If 4th ed is so kill crazy with gods, let them go.

[steelfiredragon]

killing of cyric would be good, as for lolth, i dont see her or eilistraee going the way of the dodo.

 

i still think they should of offed Torm instead of helm.

 

 

Now i only hope they kill off Tyr and have Mask kill Cyric.

[Sand]

Instead of making sweepoing changes like killing gods why not start the setting from scratch. Start over from the very beginning when Netheril was just a collection of 7 villages along a river, before the majority of all these gods came into being.

[J.E. Sawyer]

There's always been a lot of hoopla about Mystra regulating magic. In the old Arcane Age boxed set, they talk a lot about the "good ol' days" of Mystryl, when packs of 20th+ level arcanists sailed around in Netherese flying cities casting 10th level spells and dozens of 41st+ level elven spellcasters would lay mythals and other high magic rituals whenever they felt like it.

 

After Karsus effectively killed Mystryl, the Mystra that replaced her became the boss of how magic worked. Shar messing with the Shadow Weave allowed for some "alternate" spellcasting, but ultimately it's just standard D&D spellcasting with a few modifications. Killing off Mystra gives the WotC designers an in-setting reason to mechanically change the operation of magic. Also the spellplague sounds like it gives them the opportunity to thin out the engorged ranks of wizards throughout Faer

[Wombat]

There's always been a lot of hoopla about Mystra regulating magic. In the old Arcane Age boxed set, they talk a lot about the "good ol' days" of Mystryl, when packs of 20th+ level arcanists sailed around in Netherese flying cities casting 10th level spells and dozens of 41st+ level elven spellcasters would lay mythals and other high magic rituals whenever they felt like it.

 

After Karsus effectively killed Mystryl, the Mystra that replaced her became the boss of how magic worked. Shar messing with the Shadow Weave allowed for some "alternate" spellcasting, but ultimately it's just standard D&D spellcasting with a few modifications. Killing off Mystra gives the WotC designers an in-setting reason to mechanically change the operation of magic. Also the spellplague sounds like it gives them the opportunity to thin out the engorged ranks of wizards throughout Faer

[Sand]

Killing Mystra is not changing the mechanics of magic in DnD. It is killing, ending, magic in the Forgotten Realms. No Mystra, no Weave. No Weave, no magic.

[Tale]

Killing Mystra is not changing the mechanics of magic in DnD. It is killing, ending, magic in the Forgotten Realms. No Mystra, no Weave. No Weave, no magic.

How many times has Mystra died? Yet, the magic remains.

 

Mystra will have been killed, again, and there will be Magic in 4e. Nothing you can do will change that. Unless you run around to every group playing the game and start messing up their table while yelling "NO MAGIC, MYSTRA IS DEAD" in your nerd rage. Something I can actually see you trying to do.

Edited November 25, 2007 by Tale

[Sand]

Magic only remained because someone became Mystra. It doesn't sound like that is going to happen here.

[Tale]

Magic only remained because someone became Mystra. It doesn't sound like that is going to happen here.

Yet they are going to have magic in 4e. So, what's the problem?

[Sand]

Yet they are going to have magic in 4e. So, what's the problem?

 

That is the problem. They have long established that Mystra is what empowers the Weave, the magic, of Faerun. They have long established that without Mystra there is no magic, hence the literal fall of Netheril. So, if no one takes up the mantle of Mystra then Forgotten Realms, if it is to remain true to canon, then there is no magic. If it doesn't remain true to canon then it is worthless. Consistancy is paramount in a campaign setting.

[J.E. Sawyer]

Ao is around to do whatever the heck the designers want. Maybe he'll pass control of magic to Azuth, who will re-structure it in new ways. Or maybe it will be divided among several deities who will each allow access to it in different ways. Whatever, as long as Ao gets involved at the deity level, anything can happen.

[steelfiredragon]

isnt that the truth,

 

i just wonde what is going to happen between eilistraee and lolth.

 

dont want to see either of them go.

 

two sides of a coin

[Sand]

That is assuming that he does get involved, J.E..

[Xard]

And you assumed he does not.

[Sand]

He is simply a deus ex machina that if used means that the whole process is lame from the start. If you have to resort to such measures when you write a story to make the result you want then it is bad writing and design.

[Cantousent]

Good Lord, Vis. It's a setting, not a novel. They have to have some leeway to change things as they move through editions. Maybe they can remove some of the suck from the setting. Probably not. It'll probably suck anyhow.

 

I mean, you've made your point about scrapping the whole FR. I agree with you on that count, btw. They still have the right to change the setting in pretty much any way they want. ...And if you're just now accusing WotC, TSR, or <insert any company in charge of or charged to use the FR setting here> of resorting to these measures in order to write a story, then you haven't been paying attention over the years.

 

Hell, who am I to judge? Obviously the Realms setting is extremely popular with folks. Even if they lose a number of fans with this alleged change, they've still got a viable setting that may, over time, increase the fanbase.

[Tale]

Good Lord, Vis. It's a setting, not a novel. They have to have some leeway to change things as they move through editions. Maybe they can remove some of the suck from the setting. Probably not. It'll probably suck anyhow.

 

I mean, you've made your point about scrapping the whole FR. I agree with you on that count, btw. They still have the right to change the setting in pretty much any way they want. ...And if you're just now accusing WotC, TSR, or of resorting to these measures in order to write a story, then you haven't been paying attention over the years.

 

Hell, who am I to judge? Obviously the Realms setting is extremely popular with folks. Even if they lose a number of fans with this alleged change, they've still got a viable setting that may, over time, increase the fanbase.

They should just scrap the setting because they're not going to have any magic.

Edited November 26, 2007 by Tale

[Cantousent]

Well, that ought to make the low magic setting crowd happy. haha

 

Seriously, though, I'm sure they'll have magic of some sort. They might even make it easier for your warlock/rogue build you love. :Cant's tongue in cheek grin icon:

[Tale]

Yeah, assuming the next D&D cRPG even has Warlocks.

[Xard]

I thought Warlokcs were confirmed?

 

He is simply a deus ex machina that if used means that the whole process is lame from the start. If you have to resort to such measures when you write a story to make the result you want then it is bad writing and design.

 

Ao is exactly that. As long as he is part of D&D Lore there's nothing like "too much retconning" or "this's never going to happen/work".

 

Welcome to world of Expanded Universe.

 

Oh right, this wasn't about Star Wars, my bad.

[Tale]

I thought Warlokcs were confirmed?

 

Only for Smash, only for Smash. :'(

 

Wait, what? Are Warlocks being made into a PHB class? Nifty! Now to wait until the announcement of the first 4e D&D game. And hopefully it's good. And has Wild Mages.

Edited November 26, 2007 by Tale

[Dark_Raven]

Good Lord, Vis. It's a setting, not a novel. They have to have some leeway to change things as they move through editions. Maybe they can remove some of the suck from the setting. Probably not. It'll probably suck anyhow.

 

I mean, you've made your point about scrapping the whole FR. I agree with you on that count, btw. They still have the right to change the setting in pretty much any way they want. ...And if you're just now accusing WotC, TSR, or <insert any company in charge of or charged to use the FR setting here> of resorting to these measures in order to write a story, then you haven't been paying attention over the years.

 

Hell, who am I to judge? Obviously the Realms setting is extremely popular with folks. Even if they lose a number of fans with this alleged change, they've still got a viable setting that may, over time, increase the fanbase.

They should just scrap the setting because they're not going to have any magic.

Yep. If they want to kill, do it the right way and just end it all and start something brand new. A new setting. Forgotten Realms was the last of the D&D settings I liked, now its going to s**t. Screw Wizards, they get no more money from me be it rule books or novels.