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Lo, the burning truth has been revealed!

 

"a messed up driving camera (as in NWN2) "

 

Someone played NWN2 in that camera mode?

 

Have you played Fallouts or BG2 ( I don't recommend first one )? That's how open-endness is like when done well

So what exactly do you think they're going to get all wrong? Unoptimized engine, perhaps? Bad voice acting? Returning frost darts? Abrupt endings? Too much exposition? Sega ad placements? Clumsy interface? A spirit untrue to the Alien franchise?

 

We do so love our boys in Obsidian, and we know too well how hard they try, but they can't make everything roses. So go ahead and tell me: How will this game disappoint you?

Why can't they make everything roses?

Someone played NWN2 in that camera mode?

 

Yeah, an in all honesty, I prefer that camera angle (provided it works properly).

 

Have you played Fallouts or BG2 ( I don't recommend first one )? That's how open-endness is like when done well

 

Yes. I enjoyed those games. Again, I don't mind open-ended gameplay. I just really dislike boring characters (practically all the voice acting in Oblivion seemed stale to me, except for Patrick Stewart's, but his character dies quickly), boring dialogue (practically every NPC you talk to has no personality), and a boring story. At some point, I think the player needs some sort of direction, otherwise, to me a game is pointless. If I'm just playing a game to kill mobs over and over again for no reason other than to level up and get more loot, then why not just play an MMO (another reason why I hate most of them)?

 

Baldur's Gate II had a really long development period. Is that even realistic anymore (to spend so long developing a game)? That game was huge.

 

I also enjoyed Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines despite the mediocre reviews it received (really, after the patches, I didn't have too many problems with bugs). The gamplay wasn't very open-ended, but I enjoyed a lot of the characters. I thought the ending was a little cheesy, but overall, I thought the story was fun.

 

But I hated Oblivion (except, I must admit, I liked the graphics). As sexist as this may sound, Oblivion to me was a bit like pretty women with no brains; you date them for a week and then wish you never got involved.

Edited June 5, 200718 yr by Webslinger

Oblivion sucks, that's true =/

Oblivion is fun on a hd-tv with high saturation while the character is near an Oblivion gate in thunderstorm.

 

Then the clannfears bumrush you. Then you get back to playing Chaos Theory.

Obsidian can screw this game up by giving gamers stale, uninteresting characters (as in Obliviion) and boring character dialogue (as in Oblivion); a stale, boring storyline (as in Oblivion); a dumbed-down persuasion system (as in Oblivion); a messed up driving camera (as in NWN2) . . . someone play Jade Empire please to see how it should look; a rushed released before Christmas (as in Kotor2); and a slideshow powerpoint presentation style ending (as in NWN2). I don't mind open-ended gameplay, but I bought Oblivion (the Collector's Ed, no less), and it lasted an entire week on my system (granted, I did finish the main quest, but the characters and story were so boring and dull that the game offered no staying power for me). Obsidian excels at interesting characters, interesting dialogue choices, and an interesting storyline (I know all of these things are relatively subjective, but please don't ever give us Oblivion II . . . I get scared reading about how much Feargus Urquhart loves it). I come from an adventure gaming background, so it's pretty obvious story and characters, for me, need to be compelling (Planescape Torment remains my favourite RPG). Open-ended gameplay is fine; boring characters and boring stories aren't, and games that cater to ADHD twelve year olds who hate reading don't appeal to me.

I resent that remark about ADHD. I got ADHD and that does not stop me from playing Planescape: torment.

Someone played NWN2 in that camera mode?

It wasn't until my second game that I realised that the dungeons and buildings had roofs inside

 

The camera usually hangs way up there, in the air, giving me a "pseudo isometric top-down" view of the world.

Whoa whoa, isn't "Driving camera" that KotOR stylish one?

 

If it is that top down one, whoops... It's only truly working one

Whoa whoa, isn't "Driving camera" that KotOR stylish one?

I think so. Thats the one I don't prefer when having a choice. Isometric >> Driving Camera >> First person view

I don't know for sure, but I think it's been hinted at that it's going to be behindview, a la Resident Evil. Which is fine by me.

 

As for how they could possibly screw this up... The possibilities are as vast as space.

I don't know for sure, but I think it's been hinted at that it's going to be behindview, a la Resident Evil. Which is fine by me.

 

Huh? Where?

They'll screw it up by listening to their fans and putting actual ninjas in it.

I resent that remark about ADHD. I got ADHD

 

Join the club

 

and that does not stop me from playing Planescape: torment.

 

Ah, but are you twelve years old?

They'll screw it up by listening to their fans and putting actual ninjas in it.

 

Not a fan of Alien Ninjas, eh?

 

What about Alien Pirates? Or cowboys? Perhaps we can come to some kind of an agreement...

Yup, I

Also, in response to the Alien Ninjas matter: Aliens surpass ninjas in every way, just as they do pirates, cowboys and scary clowns. They even go by the ultimate of cool names

Is there going to be potato crisps in the sandwich as well? You can't have a ninja alien sandwich without chips.

Is there going to be potato crisps in the sandwich as well? You can't have a ninja alien sandwich without chips.

 

Man, now I'm getting hungry. I'm gonna go make a sandwich.

I hear what you are saying

Can't you people, like, work late or something. I don't want to wait anymore.

The main problem with working late is that they can't make enough sandwiches.

Weren't you chaps paying attention? Ninjas get beaten by old men. They are rubbish.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6746051.stm

They can screw this up by making it a FPS and real time.

you mean selling the licence to Beth?

They can screw it up by making the combat anything else than fast, furious and absolutely deadly. Seriously, stale, boring and D&D-ish mechanics here would absolutely kill what makes the setting. Aliens are supposed to be extremely dangerous and quick- if the game fails to convey that (by, for example, making battles drawn-out through pausing and high hit point values on the marines and so on) it'll be a huge disappointment.

 

Jade Empire was pretty simplistic and sort of unfun in its combat (with each style having only ONE combo, one power attack and one area attack the result is a product that's basically inferior to every other half-serious fighter out there) and with dialogue and character customization that was at best puddle-deep, but the latter was a design decision on Bioware's part and it doesn't have to be that way.

 

Personally, my ideal choice would be something roughly akin to Jade Empire crossed with Gears of War as far as the combat system goes, with more than three stats worth a damn, of course. That's just my personal pipe dreams, of course, and I'd be okay with any system as long as it doesn't degenerate into some D20 removed-from-reality number-pushing complete with unrealistic and excessive hit point implementation and canned combat animations from marines standing toe-to-toe with xenomorphs for 30 sec a pop, as opposed to visceral and fast-paced alien bloodletting with SHORT CONTROLLED BURSTS.

Edited July 21, 200718 yr by Lord Tingeling

AIM FOR THE HEAD!

 

 

Yeah, Obsidian has shown that it has the guts to make actual roleplaying content, but if combat with Aliens is anything except deadly, the game will just fail to deliver. Combat against colonial marines, synthets and humans in general can be your run-off-the-mill KotOR slugfest, taking anything a minute to an hour, but each time you face an alien, the player has to go "oh ****, run!", instead of "hoh, where's my anti-alien fletchettes? Barney, get into aimed mode:head!".

 

It's not like you can stress this point enough.