JE 's alignment system wasn't perfect; but it sure beats anything else done by BIO (or BIS, or Troika, or Bethesda, or Obsidian) except possibly the FOs.

Edited December 1, 200619 yr by Volourn

I thought that PST had a pretty good alignment system. Obviously it was pretty much the same as any other DND system but the distribution of law, chaos, good and evil points made a lot of sense, so I think it implemented it quite well.

 

The Fallout alignment system was not well implemented. It was very easy to accumulate lots of good karma, however accumulating bad karma was very difficult.

It's not that PST or NWN or any other D&D alignment system is bad per se. It isn't. I'ma defender of it. However, I think the argument her eis the good vs. evil aspect. In JE, it's not (well.. not meant to be) so black and white (though it wans't always a success in thatr egard either). A good attempt at not making it so black and white. perhaps JE2 will accomplish its goal. :joy:

However, I think the argument her eis the good vs. evil aspect. In JE, it's not (well.. not meant to be) so black and white (though it wans't always a success in thatr egard either). A good attempt at not making it so black and white. perhaps JE2 will accomplish its goal. :joy:

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Uh, can you give me one example where closed fist isn

When your character name is Volourn, all dialogue options in JE change to Awsum.

The Fallout alignment system was not well implemented. It was very easy to accumulate lots of good karma, however accumulating bad karma was very difficult.

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Why should it be easy to veer towards a negative side? Different systems have different scenarios for alignment. Torment made it woefully easy to go from Neutral to Good to Evil in one single playthrough without me even trying hard. Fallout simply made it so it wasn't as easy to become evil but when you did, it was hard getting out of that role. And joining Slavers, going on Slaver runs, killing the Slags for Modoc or becoming a Childkiller were especially effective in awarding bad karma amounts.

When your character name is Volourn, all dialogue options in JE change to Awsum.

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everybody "gets" good v. evil. perhaps developers not seem to wanna challenge people too much with a reputation system that woulds allow for a complex faction alignment dynamic, but we wish that somebody would give it a shot... maybe add to a game that already has craptacular good v. evil so that Average Gamer need not be spooked too much by something new.

 

sadly, a d&d game probably ain't gonna be the game in which you see what Gromnir is looking for. sure, d&d alignment not prohibit faction alliances, but once you go through effort of implementing a wotc approved system of good v. evil, you probably not wanna deal with trying to gets something more complex ok'd.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited December 2, 200619 yr by Gromnir

Paladins are Good, Nightelves are Evil, and Dwarfes are funny! That's all I need to know to embark a D&D journey!

 

HA! Good Fun!

DND doesnt have night elves.

Doesn't matter. In the end, it's all the same lame stuff created my the same stinky nerds.

Paladins are Good, Nightelves are Evil, and Dwarfes are funny! That's all I need to know to embark a D&D journey!

 

HA! Good Fun!

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that is maybe why ps:t were loved by some, and failed with so many others.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Paladins are Good, Nightelves are Evil, and Dwarfes are funny! That's all I need to know to embark a D&D journey!

 

HA! Good Fun!

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that is maybe why ps:t were loved by some, and failed with so many others.

 

HA! Good Fun!

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Oh yes failed horribly.

Paladins are Good, Nightelves are Evil, and Dwarfes are funny! That's all I need to know to embark a D&D journey!

 

HA! Good Fun!

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that is maybe why ps:t were loved by some, and failed with so many others.

 

HA! Good Fun!

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Nah, it failed because games are meant to be played not read.

PS:T was ahead of it's time.

 

One day... one day the FPS and Diablopeeps will go away and a new era will be born.

Paladins are Good, Nightelves are Evil, and Dwarfes are funny! That's all I need to know to embark a D&D journey!

 

HA! Good Fun!

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that is maybe why ps:t were loved by some, and failed with so many others.

 

HA! Good Fun!

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Nah, it failed because games are meant to be played not read.

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Typical complaint of the common low IQ and/or attention deficit PST basher.

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PST was the black eye of the IE games.

It was the pinnacle of the series... and of computer role playing.

That would be BG2.

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that is maybe why ps:t were loved by some, and failed with so many others.

 

HA! Good Fun!

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Nah, it failed because games are meant to be played not read.

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Typical complaint of the common low IQ and/or attention deficit PST basher.

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awesome!

 

 

Also, it failed because the cover was a big blue ugly bastard. Totally gross.

That would be BG2. 

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Yes, the pinnacle of computer role playing is a game where alignment, class choice and race had 0 impact on dialogue.

 

You are kidding yourself.

:crazy:

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that is maybe why ps:t were loved by some, and failed with so many others.

 

HA! Good Fun!

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Nah, it failed because games are meant to be played not read.

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Typical complaint of the common low IQ and/or attention deficit PST basher.

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awesome!

 

 

Also, it failed because the cover was a big blue ugly bastard. Totally gross.

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Yeah. If TNO didnt have the sexy scent of formaldehyde about him, then there was no way Annah would have gone for him.

That would be BG2. 

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Yes, the pinnacle of computer role playing is a game where alignment, class choice and race had 0 impact on dialogue.

 

You are kidding yourself.

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No no the pinnacle is obviosuly a game where an npc was given 6 panels to talk about his farts.

 

quality!

That would be BG2. 

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Yes, the pinnacle of computer role playing is a game where alignment, class choice and race had 0 impact on dialogue.

 

You are kidding yourself.

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No no the pinnacle is obviosuly a game where an npc was given 6 panels to talk about his farts.

 

quality!

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Farts? Would have fit right in with Minscs butt obsession.

 

Are you sure you arent having memories of BG2?

Edited December 2, 200619 yr by roshan