Will we ever get Jefferson?

[Pop]

Even a pruned version might be good.

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I bet you a TON of ideas make it in nwn2 from bg3

 

Wasn't the ability to burn down a church full of monks from BG3?

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You may be right. Going through the Van Buren design docs, I found some remarkable similarities to KOTOR2 :ph34r: nothing overt, but a lot of the same ideas (for example, the restoration effort on Telos is not unlike the Nursery in VB)

[J.E. Sawyer]

Unfortunately, owning the assets doesn't necessaily equal the rights to "use" them if it infringes on other trademarks, like names, settings etc.

If Obsidian has no problem with me working on it as a unsupported personal project (basically like anyone's personal NWN/NWN2 project), I don't think anyone's rights are violated.

[Sand]

That would be cool, J.E.

[Jorian Drake]

Unfortunately, owning the assets doesn't necessaily equal the rights to "use" them if it infringes on other trademarks, like names, settings etc.

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If Obsidian has no problem with me working on it as a unsupported personal project (basically like anyone's personal NWN/NWN2 project), I don't think anyone's rights are violated.

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all the people create modules, noone is hurt by some nice ideas/stories

[kumquatq3]

Unfortunately, owning the assets doesn't necessaily equal the rights to "use" them if it infringes on other trademarks, like names, settings etc.

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If Obsidian has no problem with me working on it as a unsupported personal project (basically like anyone's personal NWN/NWN2 project), I don't think anyone's rights are violated.

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I think he means Obsidian doesn't have the rights to the BG license

[Volourn]

1. Wouldn't Obsidian prefer you to spend your NWN2 on official stuff (like possible expansion *hint hint*) than on such a indeavour?

 

2. Since Obsidian is basically working with Atari/WOTC on NWN2 couldn't the Obsidian bosses just pitch the Jefferson idea to the publisher for possible approval (barring a surprising financial flop I don't see Atari syaing no to expansions) and go that route?

 

3. No matter what occurs, it would be ncie to play Jefferson!

[Sand]

Hey, if he can, and what he does in his off hours is his business, I say go for it. I know a lot of gamers would love to play Jefferson and the most important thing we would finally get Ramza to stop bringing it up.

[Spider]

I think he means Obsidian doesn't have the rights to the BG license

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Does that really matter though? The Black Hound never had anything to do with the BG saga and would have been BG3 in name only. It could just as well have been released as a stand alone.

 

Edit: Added the quote since there were several posts between mine and the one I was replying to.

Edited November 1, 2006 by Spider

[Volourn]

Hey, like I said, I'd have no problem with it. I'm just thinking of Obsidian's feelings!

[Darque]

Quit trying to be a buzzkill volo

 

We should be grateful.

[kumquatq3]

1. Wouldn't Obsidian prefer you to spend your NWN2 on official stuff (like possible expansion *hint hint*) than on such a indeavour?

 

2. Since Obsidian is basically working with Atari/WOTC on NWN2 couldn't the Obsidian bosses just pitch the Jefferson idea to the publisher for possible approval (barring a surprising financial flop I don't see Atari syaing no to expansions) and go that route?

 

 

1. Possible expansion??

 

2. Well, they wouldn't be working with the MYSTERY engine anymore then. Too old. I think the point is for all the work on Jefferson to see the light of day.

[Gorth]

Unfortunately, owning the assets doesn't necessaily equal the rights to "use" them if it infringes on other trademarks, like names, settings etc.

If Obsidian has no problem with me working on it as a unsupported personal project (basically like anyone's personal NWN/NWN2 project), I don't think anyone's rights are violated.

Somebody is bound to misquote that, or deliberately misinterpret it

 

But otherwise, just to show a bit of enthusiasm (w00t)

 

I don't think you would hear a lot of complaint about doing it. Although you would probably get a lot of whining from people who expected all their unfilled desires to come true when/if finally getting their hands on it

 

Edit: Implicit, that expectations for some reason keep growing ower time until they reach impossible proportions

Edited November 1, 2006 by Gorth

[kumquatq3]

I think he means Obsidian doesn't have the rights to the BG license

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Does that really matter though? The Black Hound never had anything to do with the BG saga and would have been BG3 in name only. It could just as well have been released as a stand alone.

 

If it was that easy, why did they scrap it when they lost the BG PC rights?

[Sand]

People aren't happy unless they can complain about something.

[Sand]

I think he means Obsidian doesn't have the rights to the BG license

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Does that really matter though? The Black Hound never had anything to do with the BG saga and would have been BG3 in name only. It could just as well have been released as a stand alone.

 

If it was that easy, why did they scrap it when they lost the BG PC rights?

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Because it was probably too late to change the game and the big wigs thought it wouldn't sell without the BG name. Also I think they also lost the DnD rights as well.

Edited November 1, 2006 by Sand

[kumquatq3]

If it was that easy, why did they scrap it when they lost the BG PC rights? 

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Because it was probably too late to change the game and the big wigs thought it wouldn't sell without the BG name. Also I think they also lost the DnD rights as well.

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Dunno, I hope I'm wrong and there is something to JE's posts other than "what if", but ....well....lets see what he says.

 

 

EDIT: The Jefferson Restoration Project

Edited November 1, 2006 by kumquatq3

[Spider]

If it was that easy, why did they scrap it when they lost the BG PC rights? 

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Because it was heavily tied to the Forgotten Realms and in order to make it a FR game they would have to deal with Atari. I guess Atari wasn't interested in dealing with Interplay since they owed them money on the D&D license. Or maybe Interplay had an exclusive distribution deal with Vivendi prohibiting them from even talking to Atari. There are many possible reasons why it wouldn't have worked then but could work now, but if you know more than me, please enlighten me.

 

Edit: In reply to Sand, Interplay didn't have carte blanche D&D rights, at least not when Jefferson was being worked on. They had the right to three franchises, IWD, BG and BG:DA. That's it.

Edited November 1, 2006 by Spider

[metadigital]

Unfortunately, owning the assets doesn't necessaily equal the rights to "use" them if it infringes on other trademarks, like names, settings etc.

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If Obsidian has no problem with me working on it as a unsupported personal project (basically like anyone's personal NWN/NWN2 project), I don't think anyone's rights are violated.

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Just don't tell anyone that you are working on it: can you imagine the endless ramza-like threads of "Well, what's the status?" ?

[Darque]

Oh, come on, he's not that bad.

[metadigital]

I wasn't just referring to little ramza.

[ramza]

*cough cough* I will just ignore that... Anyway, I wouldn't have been asking that question if I didn't know that Obsidian had bought all the assets for Jefferson. I DO believe that there is some hope left...

 

Maybe Sawyer should bring this up to Feargus, so that the project may become reality. I don't really care about the Mystary engine anymore. All I am interested in is the project's storyline. The setting, the characters, the plot... everything sounded so cool.

 

Cheers.

[aVENGER]

What information do we really have about Jefferson? It's been so long I've forgotten.

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Unfortunately, Sammael's huge Jefferson FAQ has been offline for quite a while now (though it may return in the near future) but you can see a short summary of the game along with some interesting developer quotes and interviews here.

[Darque]

Thank you.

[ramza]

Actually, I still have my folder with all the Jefferson pics, artwork, and interviews I could collect before Interplay's downfall (I just copy-pasted everything... lol).

 

I dont know how to share this however...

[Briosafreak]

What information do we really have about Jefferson? It's been so long I've forgotten.

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Unfortunately, Sammael's huge Jefferson FAQ has been offline for quite a while now (though it may return in the near future) but you can see a short summary of the game along with some interesting developer quotes and interviews here.

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I have the full FAQ in a CD somewhere, I can put those things online if Sammael wants them back.