Mellypie Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I think he has, but that's a matter of confusion on this forum... Pray, tell us why. "They might not call you a Jedi anymore, but believe me, you are. It's not the sort of thing that you just stop being. You're stuck with it, just like you're stuck being the General." ~Bao-Dur, Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I think he has, but that's a matter of confusion on this forum... Pray, tell us why. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well for one you have Reven Returns (is that his name?) going on about his conspiracy theory... and two, if look at his actions, he dose seem to have his own agenda... DN "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilandra Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Conspiracy theories do not mean a thing. Give me some hard evidence to back up your assumptions on not rumors and conjecture. Through inner peace leads to enlightenment. Baldur's Gate Modding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyan Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 (edited) I think Kreia's the most loyal. No really. She sticks with you the entire time, and while she manipulates you, uses you for her own end, ultimately it is to make you stronger. I think she has your "best interests" at heart - as well as her own and in a way, I think her loyalty is greater than any of the other characters. I just think being the cranky old witch she is, she hides it. She even forces the exile to kill her - that takes some doing. Edit: Not to mention she faces Sion "single handedly" (don't hurt me ) on the Harbinger and tells you to run. Edited March 29, 2006 by Dyan HK47: Commentary: It is not possible to destroy the master. It is suggested that you run while my blasters warm, meatbags. Bastila to Revan: You are easily the vainest, most arrogant man I have ever met! Canderous to Bastila: Insults? Maybe if your master had trained your lightsaber to be as quick as your tongue you could have escaped those Vulkars, you spoiled little Jedi princess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 wow... good points... kreia does look mroe loyal now... "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 Atton... you could slaughter school children and get influence with him after you had just fed clothed and played the banjo with the same school children for influence. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kavar Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 I think Kreia's the most loyal. No really. She sticks with you the entire time, and while she manipulates you, uses you for her own end, ultimately it is to make you stronger. I think she has your "best interests" at heart - as well as her own and in a way, I think her loyalty is greater than any of the other characters. I just think being the cranky old witch she is, she hides it. She even forces the exile to kill her - that takes some doing. Edit: Not to mention she faces Sion "single handedly" (don't hurt me ) on the Harbinger and tells you to run. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ABOUT LOYALTY Loyal means seeying things your way and if not giving your suggestions - ultimately agreeing to do your will one way or the other trusting in your wisdom and decisions (not always though that should be the definition of "super loyal"). Kreia is nothing like that. Whatever you do (read - 'you dialog options don't allow you') Kreia doesn't agree with your perspective on the world and making decisions. She uses the tactic "follow in order to lead" when whatever you do leads to the same conclusion in the game. KREIA IS DS or LS? BTW She made you powerful because in the end she regrets teaching the sith on Malachor and falling to the dark side, wants the Exile to deal with the Sith threat but doesn't think the current weak jedi can stand against the true sith and finally needs to die because is to dangerous to fall to the dark side again. As she herself admits on Korriban - she is very fragile to it. Kreia wants to save the galaxy and in the end is a LS char sacrificing herself and making the Exile stronger for it. KREIA A GOOD DEVELOPED CHARACTER? A great character but to build such one in an RPG you have to limit the roles of other characters (what hurts is that the main one suffers from it) and to make her unique - not allowing anyone to agree with her perspective (limits in dialog options here) plus to show her smarts making everyone dumb (limits in smart dialog options for the exile). That's my opinion on the great Kreia topic ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 so... you like her or not? "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kavar Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 so... you like her or not? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Only a Sith deals in absolutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyan Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 ABOUT LOYALTYLoyal means seeying things your way and if not giving your suggestions - ultimately agreeing to do your will one way or the other trusting in your wisdom and decisions (not always though that should be the definition of "super loyal"). Kreia is nothing like that. Whatever you do (read - 'you dialog options don't allow you') Kreia doesn't agree with your perspective on the world and making decisions. She uses the tactic "follow in order to lead" when whatever you do leads to the same conclusion in the game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> *snip* Ignoring the LS/DS thing & the "good character" stuff - I would have to disagree with the loyalty thing. While I understand what you're saying, I respectfully decline. I'm sure she makes some comment about how she would have 'burnt the galaxy' for you. She even says she loves the Exile. Granted, I don't think she fits the "classic" definition of "loyalty", but this is Kreia we're talking about. Nothing she says or does is going to be "normal". That would just be too easy. If the dialogue is an issue, then I blame the writers for not giving more choice. I think Kreia takes on the role of teacher a bit too much - but even at the end, she allows you to ask questions before she has you slay her. If she really was disloyal, she would have struck you down before you had a chance to do anything. At the very least, she seems loyal to Revan - sending "others" after him. *shrug* Just my view - feel free to disagree :D HK47: Commentary: It is not possible to destroy the master. It is suggested that you run while my blasters warm, meatbags. Bastila to Revan: You are easily the vainest, most arrogant man I have ever met! Canderous to Bastila: Insults? Maybe if your master had trained your lightsaber to be as quick as your tongue you could have escaped those Vulkars, you spoiled little Jedi princess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilandra Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 Kreia is only loyal to herself. Her own agenda is what matters nothing else does. If she must do the bidding of the Exile than she will if it meets her goals. If turning on the Exile is what is required to meet her goals, she will do so. Through inner peace leads to enlightenment. Baldur's Gate Modding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Not really. When someone betrays their master to follow you, I would not trust them. Who's to say they may betray you for someone else? Bao-dur has never done anything disloyal to the Exile. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> exactly, i find it a bit weird how visas jsut abandons nihilius and latches onto you, she could then betray you, like she has nihilius i say tsm4 is the most loyal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you mean t4m4 I think he has, but that's a matter of confusion on this forum... Pray, tell us why. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well for one you have Reven Returns (is that his name?) going on about his conspiracy theory... and two, if look at his actions, he dose seem to have his own agenda... DN <{POST_SNAPBACK}> huh what did i do? what conspiracy theory? "..look at his actions" are you refering to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK-47_THE_MEATBAG_KILLER Posted March 30, 2006 Author Share Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) i say tsm4 is the most loyal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you mean t4m4 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> actually, its T3M4...just thought id point that out. as for kreia's loyalty, id have to agree that she is pretty loyal. not the most, but if you take actions she agrees with and support her oppinions of your companions, she is helpful. she said she would kill the galaxy to save the exile, and that takes loyalty. and the fact that if you keep all the jedi alive, she prevents them from taking the force from the exile and shows them the galaxy as the exile sees it. i still say HK is more loyal to my dark character, though. (points at sig) Edited March 30, 2006 by HK-47_THE_MEATBAG_KILLER "Are you an angel? Aw, I'm just kidding. That's the worst line I've ever used. Hope some poor kid doesn't start using it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 not to mention the mentor ability and the fact she her forc powers to boost you and your party members. (remember the force chain ability?) "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Not really. When someone betrays their master to follow you, I would not trust them. Who's to say they may betray you for someone else? Bao-dur has never done anything disloyal to the Exile. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> exactly, i find it a bit weird how visas jsut abandons nihilius and latches onto you, she could then betray you, like she has nihilius i say tsm4 is the most loyal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you mean t4m4 I think he has, but that's a matter of confusion on this forum... Pray, tell us why. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well for one you have Reven Returns (is that his name?) going on about his conspiracy theory... and two, if look at his actions, he dose seem to have his own agenda... DN <{POST_SNAPBACK}> huh what did i do? what conspiracy theory? "..look at his actions" are you refering to me? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> your theory that the remote was on paragus... "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK-47_THE_MEATBAG_KILLER Posted March 30, 2006 Author Share Posted March 30, 2006 not to mention the mentor ability and the fact she her forc powers to boost you and your party members. (remember the force chain ability?) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> actually, the force chain ability was a result of the bond, and i do not believe she created this bond. i think the exile created it unconciously, as she did with the rest of the characters, just that kreia was strong enough to avoid sharing the exile's feelings and impulses as the other party members did. "Are you an angel? Aw, I'm just kidding. That's the worst line I've ever used. Hope some poor kid doesn't start using it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 i say tsm4 is the most loyal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you mean t4m4 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> actually, its T3M4...just thought id point that out. as for kreia's loyalty, id have to agree that she is pretty loyal. not the most, but if you take actions she agrees with and support her oppinions of your companions, she is helpful. she said she would kill the galaxy to save the exile, and that takes loyalty. and the fact that if you keep all the jedi alive, she prevents them from taking the force from the exile and shows them the galaxy as the exile sees it. i still say HK is more loyal to my dark character, though. (points at sig) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> indeed it is T3M4, typo i didnt pick up Not really. When someone betrays their master to follow you, I would not trust them. Who's to say they may betray you for someone else? Bao-dur has never done anything disloyal to the Exile. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> exactly, i find it a bit weird how visas jsut abandons nihilius and latches onto you, she could then betray you, like she has nihilius i say tsm4 is the most loyal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you mean t4m4 I think he has, but that's a matter of confusion on this forum... Pray, tell us why. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well for one you have Reven Returns (is that his name?) going on about his conspiracy theory... and two, if look at his actions, he dose seem to have his own agenda... DN <{POST_SNAPBACK}> huh what did i do? what conspiracy theory? "..look at his actions" are you refering to me? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> your theory that the remote was on paragus... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> lollolololol, yeah that one, it is a conspiracy!! bao dur is a spy of some sort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilandra Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Not likely. Bao-Dur is all loyal to The Exile. Through inner peace leads to enlightenment. Baldur's Gate Modding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Not likely. Bao-Dur is all loyal to The Exile. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think so... "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargeras Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Visas in a heartbeat. She is willing to do ANYTHING for you because she sees you as...the most awsome thing in the universe because you are so empty and yet have such conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 visas betrayed nihilius, and she is bound to betray you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Visas goes for those who have power. When she saw that Nilhus was not as strong as the Exile, she said good bye to him and became Exiles new buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 she just cant make up her mind, i wonder who shes going to side with next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellypie Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Visas betrayed Nihilus because she knew that the Exile was the only thing in the galaxy that could stop him and even she knew that he must be stopped. "They might not call you a Jedi anymore, but believe me, you are. It's not the sort of thing that you just stop being. You're stuck with it, just like you're stuck being the General." ~Bao-Dur, Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erei33 Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 I think that visas wanted to stop her master. Eithe rway T3-M4 is the most loyal in my opinion and mira is a nubc4k3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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