alanschu Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 That wasn't the point. The point is that players that play on the PK are typically good defenders. They certainly aren't "loser players." Poor defensive players typically do not play on the PK. That's not to say that failure to play on the PK makes that player a defensive liability. IMO, after years of watching Jagr, his best defensive ability is his dominating offensive ability. Much like a Lemieux or Gretzky.
Hurlshort Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 Alan, sometimes it's like you are in my head...creepy.
Deraldin Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Go Washington! Clinch that playoff spot for Montreal!
Volourn Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) "IMO, after years of watching Jagr, his best defensive ability is his dominating offensive ability. Much like a Lemieux or Gretzky." Again, I never said Jagr was the best defensive player ever. I said he was good, when he needs to be, at defense. The bottom line when he is on the ice, his teams cores more than the opposition at even strength. As does Thornton of course but not quite at Jagr's level (just barely though b/c of the last 10 games). I see Jagr backcheck a lot to steal the puck from the opposition. To say Jagr can't play defense is to not know hockey. P.S. If anyone wnats more proof that the Olympics are evil; just look at what they did to Hasek. "They certainly aren't "loser players." They are if they are doing a poor job of killing penalties. LOL Edited April 18, 2006 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
alanschu Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 No one said Jagr can't play defense. The bottom line when he is on the ice, his teams cores more than the opposition at even strength. This has much more to do with his offensive ability than his defensive ability. +/- is an awful measurement of defensive ability. Especially when considering an absolute amazing defensive player is not even going to be a plus-player if he has 4 hacks on the same line as him. For all you can tell by looking at +/- is that Jagr is riding the defensive capabilities of Nylander and Rozsival.
Kor Qel Droma Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 And the Oilers outclassed the Avs tonight in their last game of the season. With back to back wins at home Edmonton managed to hit 20 victories at Rexall place. Which didn't look possible a month ago. Go team!!! Jaguars4ever is still alive. No word of a lie.
alanschu Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Good thing Colorado got an overtime loss in their previous game, lest we be playing Dallas in the post season again.
Deraldin Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Good thing Colorado got an overtime loss in their previous game, lest we be playing Dallas in the post season again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You mean you'd rather play play Detroit than Dallas in the first round?
Volourn Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 It's an outside chance consideirng his struggles of late; but thanks to Cheechoo and Thornton taking the night off and gaining no points in their game tonight; Jagr with a great performance tomorrow against the Hasekless (THANKS OLYMPICS!!!) and win both the scoring and goal scoring titles! GO JAGR GO! That said, it's an outside chance. And, *almost* as important if Jagr does that well then the Rangers will win their division outright!!!! DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Hurlshort Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 I was at the Sharks game, and Lucky Luc's wife was about 6 rows in front of me. It was pretty clear who she was, they showed her on the big screen, and his son looks exactly like him. She was hot. It was a very nice display for his final game. It was a bit of a non-game for the Sharks, but clearly they were saving their energy.
alanschu Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 Nobody forced Hasek to play in the Olympics. The players signed the contract that allowed them to participate in the Olympics. Only person you can blame is the players, not the Olympics.
Hurlshort Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 The Olympics were awesome. I watched like 9 hours of hockey for a week straight, and there were some great upsets. If the players are willing to do it for their country, I say that's great for hockey fans.
alanschu Posted April 18, 2006 Posted April 18, 2006 The idea the NHLPA and NHL had was allowing the pros to compete in the Olympics would be good exposure for the game.
Volourn Posted April 19, 2006 Posted April 19, 2006 Gah. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Krookie Posted April 19, 2006 Posted April 19, 2006 1980's Olympics were great, and they didn't have pr0s!
Hurlshort Posted April 19, 2006 Posted April 19, 2006 Gah. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It sounds like Jagr played a solid game, but his teammates didn't help him much. Ah well, rest assured he's a lock for the MVP. He deserves it.
Kor Qel Droma Posted April 19, 2006 Posted April 19, 2006 Ooooooohhhh.....matchups....... Jaguars4ever is still alive. No word of a lie.
Oerwinde Posted April 19, 2006 Posted April 19, 2006 Late to the discussion but: BOOOOO SHARKS, knocking my 'Nucks out of the playoffs. Well, they can only blame themselves with our 3 star players doing **** all all season. They should start adding clauses to contracts where if a player doesn't perform reasonably well in comparison to their last season, they get a pay cut. Because Naslund, Bert, and Morrison got those big pay raises because they were some of the top players in the league... yet this season they just didn't perform. And now I'm hearing talk of giving Jovo a big raise, yet he seems to end up injured for half the season all the time. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity.
alanschu Posted April 19, 2006 Posted April 19, 2006 I'd be surprised if players like Bertuzzi and Naslund are still on the team next September.
Kor Qel Droma Posted April 19, 2006 Posted April 19, 2006 More importantly than that I WON MY HOCKEY POOL Jaguars4ever is still alive. No word of a lie.
alanschu Posted April 19, 2006 Posted April 19, 2006 Congrats. Even more importantly, both the Canucks and Leafs aren't in the playoffs! )
DarthVala Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 And the Red Wings are! "Great intelligence usually goes hand in hand with great stupdity." Join The Sibilati! -Sibilati retrorsum sibilamus
alanschu Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 Meh, colour me surprised with that. The only surprising thing is the level of dominance they had. I expected a tight race for first.
mr insomniac Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 Leafs fire Pat Quinn Dissapointed, not really surprised though. Someone always takes the blame when a team underachieves. And I think the Leafs did underachieve to a point. They weren't picked to do very well in the "new" NHL this year, but they were supposed to be good enough to at least make the playoffs. Personally I was hoping Ferguson would be the one to go, but oh well. I took this job because I thought you were just a legend. Just a story. A story to scare little kids. But you're the real deal. The demon who dares to challenge God. So what the hell do you want? Don't seem to me like you're out to make this stinkin' world a better place. Why you gotta kill all my men? Why you gotta kill me? Nothing personal. It's just revenge.
Hurlshort Posted April 21, 2006 Posted April 21, 2006 (edited) Ok, my upset predictions: San Jose over Nashville - Ok, not much of a stretch. Philly over Buffalo - Philly is built for the tough defensive playoffs. The Sabres are an awesome story, but they lack experience. Colorado over Dallas - This is a stretch. I think Dallas is very capable of losing. Without the shootout, they aren't nearly as good. But the Av's are weak as well. I'm going with them because I think Thibault has recovered from injury and is ready to steal a series. Montreal over Carolina - Another stretch, but it wouldn't surprise me. Carolina is weak defensively and Montreal is strong. Both are inexperienced. Anahiem over Calgary - My biggest stretch, but it will be a tough series. The Ducks probably don't have the goaltending, but Giguerre has gotten hot before. One I'd love to be an upset, but won't happen: New York over New Jersey - Sorry Volourn! I wish the Rangers had a chance here, but the Devils are too hot and too deep. Good news is Brodeur is getting old. Sure Thing: Detroit over Edmonton - Detroit could put me in goal and still dominate most teams. The Oilers just aren't ready. Ottawa over Tampa - there is a slight chance of an upset. Tampa still has winners and the Senators know how to blow it, but Tampa just doesn't look that good. Edited April 21, 2006 by Hurlshot
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