Taking turn base action out of RPGs...

[Grone]

Judge Hades, you really should play Bloodlines. Pirate it, if you can't stand paying the odd buck. You're missing a part of modern rpg history here. If for nothing else, then you could play it to give more merit to your arguments over the good an bad of crpgs nowadays.

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If I see it in the bargin bin for $10 I will probabl pick it up but I don't pirate games. Not any more.

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ToEE is one of the worst games I've ever played, and Bloodlines one of the best. Just goes to show that developers can learn from their mistakes. Unless of course Atari is the publisher

[Gabrielle]

Bloodlines is one of the best games out there. I rate it right up there with the mighty Fallout games and BG.

[Volourn]

BL is good; but nowhere near that level. Not with the bugs, and some of the worst combat ever. Not to mention the unevenness of the story and role-playing progression.

[Arkan]

BL is good; but nowhere near that level. Not with the bugs, and some of the worst combat ever. Not to mention the unevenness of the story and role-playing progression.

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[Musopticon?]

^Agreed.

[Janmanden]

Just goes to show that developers can learn from their mistakes.

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Actually...NOT. Troika made that totally unbelievably stupid mistake of thinking that they could pull both ToEE and Bloodlines off at the same time. All the tech-heads went into ToEE and all the creative minds into Bloodlines. Dum!! Combined it would have totally ruled... Sheesh.

[Darque]

But never never never give it to Marcus.

 

Friendly fire isn't.

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Never give Marcus an automatic. He'll blast you to bits. I give him the Turbo Plasma rifle, nervously of course.

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I always give him a minigun

 

I guess I'm just one of the few who see him as a fire and forget weapon and stay the heck out of the way

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I did that once. He chunked me and Vic.

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Blame Vic, that's what I always do

[Judge Hades]

Well, the best turn based CRPG on the current market is Silent Storm. It is really too bad Obsidian can't or won't make a game like that with their own special touch.

[alanschu]

BL is good; but nowhere near that level. Not with the bugs, and some of the worst combat ever. Not to mention the unevenness of the story and role-playing progression.

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It is an interesting phenomenon that RP usually starts out great, but as games progress (not just Bloodlines), it becomes increasingly hack and slash with less roleplaying elements.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

They probably spend a lot of time working on the first couple of areas, then realise they only have a couple of months left.

 

Jade Empire was more or less the same. You had a very uneven chapter distribution and the last level could have just been the Star Forge with a different skin.

Edited December 10, 2005 by ShadowPaladin V1.0

[BattleCookiee]

Well, the best turn based CRPG on the current market is Silent Storm.  It is really too bad Obsidian can't or won't make a game like that with their own special touch.

 

Could be because OE makes RPG's and not TBS-games

[Gabrielle]

Blame Vic, that's what I always do

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It's ok. One time they got in my line of fire with a rocket launcher. Oppps

[Hurlshort]

Silent Storm is not really an RPG. It has some elements, but it has even less than Jagged Alliance 2, which I wouldn't really call an RPG either. But then we are just arguing about the definition of RPG...

 

Bloodlines is awesome, but I doubt its for everyone. It's heavy on the Vampire stuff. It's dark and has lots of cleavage.

 

I just want more games where combat isn't the entire focus. I'm partial to TB because I'm slow.

[Gabrielle]

Bloodlines is awesome, but I doubt its for everyone.  It's heavy on the Vampire stuff.  It's dark

 

 

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That's what makes it great for me. Plus it has an awesome soundtrack.

[WinterSun]

You forgot to mention the cleavage

 

And vampires are totally mid-nineties.We need RPG's about Vikings and Pirates :D

[Haitoku]

Bloodlines is awesome, but I doubt its for everyone. It's heavy on the Vampire stuff. It's dark and has lots of cleavage.

 

It's a great game.

 

I thought the combat could have been a hole lot better though. You'd think a game using a the source engine would have much better physics. It felt like I was playing GTA3. <_<

Edited December 11, 2005 by Haitoku

[Gabrielle]

I'm sure T&A is a major plus for a game to you boys but not me.

[alanschu]

 

Bloodlines is awesome, but I doubt its for everyone.  It's heavy on the Vampire stuff.  It's dark

 

 

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That's what makes it great for me. Plus it has an awesome soundtrack.

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I love the "Isolated" track in Jeanette's place.

[Musopticon?]

I can't really stand any of the licensed music. Sure, it fits the world feel very well, but I try to avoid most of the havens because of it.

Edited December 11, 2005 by Musopticon?

[alanschu]

The reason why I liked it is because of the context it's used in.

 

If it fits the world and provides appropriate atmosphere, how can you not like it??

[Musopticon?]

I don't know. I don't dig goth joints anyway. Maybe that's the reason?

[Grone]

Just goes to show that developers can learn from their mistakes.

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Actually...NOT. Troika made that totally unbelievably stupid mistake of thinking that they could pull both ToEE and Bloodlines off at the same time. All the tech-heads went into ToEE and all the creative minds into Bloodlines. Dum!! Combined it would have totally ruled... Sheesh.

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I've completed Bloodlines five times, and I've only run into 1 bug, which the patch dealt with nicely. Secondly, the combat is not bad. It is just different from ordinary roleplaying games. I'm one of the biggest Baldur's Gate fans out there, and I stille rate CRPG's like this:

 

1. Planescape: Torment

2. Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines

3. Baldur's Gate

4. Fallout

5. KotOR

 

I don't really care about technical mistakes or combat when I'm playing a CRPG, because it's about roleplaying. ToEE, NWN and games like that didn't offer 1% of that in their games.

[Musopticon?]

You see, the problem isn't exactly combat, but the sad fact that there was just oo much of it in the game. THe ropleplaying parts were the best and possibly the most immersive in ever, but the las third of the game was just too much.

 

The other problem is that you're a fanboy. We know the type.

[Hurlshort]

Hmm, my RPG list goes like this:

 

1. Might and Magic 3 (introduced me to the genre)

2. Fallout (brought me back to the genre)

3. Baldurs Gate

4. Daggerfall (just because I played it forever)

5. KotOR (first game I played through in a long while)

[Musopticon?]

Lists? Oh goody.

 

 

-100. Torment

 

1. Baldur's Gate 2(introduced me to the genre)

2. Gothic 1(just very enjoyable)

3. Fallout 2

4. Icewind Dale 2

5. FF 6

Edited December 11, 2005 by Musopticon?