farewell

[Nartwak]

Are you autistic?

[Judge Hades]

I prefer the term "artistic" and no. I am just an arsehole.

[BattleCookiee]

Apparently Ender made another topic, that didn't dissapear...

 

It can be found here;

*Topic has been deleted*

 

Before we take this one like the other topic about Ender's goodbye to it's grave...

Edited September 30, 2005 by Battlewookiee

[Dark Moth]

Well, farewell Shryke...and Ender. Stay out of trouble.

Edited September 30, 2005 by Mothman

[BattleCookiee]

BTW, for all people interested, here is Ender's "Racist list"

Normally I would ask a user if I could post his PM's, but since he left...

 

PS. To me it looks like a list of somebody who doesn't agree with the American Way of Life, like more people do...

But it seems like blaming the US for "evil things they did in their short existance" is Racism.

Anyways; judge yourself:

 

Incase anybody does find any of these posts Racist, just post it here, or give any of the mods a PM about it...

 

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=388720 - We're rapists and we kill Panamanians

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=388728 - Pro-American sentiments constitute racism in his book, and he believes Americans practice genocide

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=388751 - American racism

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=388765 - Blatant racism

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=388786 - This is him backing down.  Now not all Jews are racist, only 50%

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=388824 - Calling Americans racist on the whole is a form of racism itself

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=388829 - Marines are rapists, whites are evil, Americans are racists

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=388849 - comments like these alone aren't racist, as they attack the American government and not the people.  However other posts display hatred for all Americans, and derogatory remarks towards all Americans.  Posts like these are listed to show a continuation of that trend.

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=389685 - Accusing Jews of practicing genocide

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=389898 - Saying we deserved terrorist attacks

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=389906

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=389925

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=389942

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=389947

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=390905

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=391004

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=391098

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=391134

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=391148

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=391155

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=396283 - Telling people to kill themselves

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=398156

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=398164

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=398175

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=398313 - This is questionable.  He claims 'Yankees', used as a derogatory term for Americans killed 80,000 people in Panama.  Too bad it isn't true.

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=400728

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=405468

[Dark Moth]

And they're all by one person! I'm not surprised, though. Nurbs has always been an as5hole when it comes to politics. And he has definitely shown bigotry in the past. I do find some of his comments racist, like his comment about 50% of Israelis being racist, as well as his comment about most evil people he's met being white. Edited September 30, 2005 by Mothman

[Authority]

That list was what was presented to us by Ender along with a request to, more or less, ban Nurbs. We all looked at the posts and found them to be controversial, inarticulate, biased and generally rude but not racist. Fact is that Nurbs has the right to express his opinion as long as he does not violate forum rules, which we found that he has not.

 

 

Imagine that, us mods standing up for YOUR freedom of speech

[BattleCookiee]

Well, I agree on that one.

But just look to what post he responded;

Quite Non-Racist from Ender, eh?

Why should he be able to call all Europeans "Jew Haters", then complain on Nurbs post...

Not saying I agree with either

 

If you lived in a country that was attacked by pretty much everyone around it shortly after it was created and alongside people who wanted you wiped off the map I bet you would be xenophobic too. People have always persecuted Jews in some form so some sort of xenophobia is perfectly understandable. Even "friends" have turned on them or turned a blind eye when it let them off paying their debts.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree. It gets me how much anti-semitism I see in Europe, and I've never understood why. I understand the hatred on both sides of the Palestinean/Isreali conflict, but why do Europeans hate Jews so much?

 

Is it possible remenants from Jews being rich and controlling banks? Possibly.

 

Either way, the hatred of any race isn't cool in my book.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Also, the fact it is indeed pointed towards one person, who he had a small feud with, gives it all effects of "baiting", then asking for a ban for the person who bit.

We are NOT going to "do somebody's dirty work"

Also, I would point to Ender's current Avatar;

Controversial, yes. Removed when asked to? No...

[Dark Moth]

Sadly, for the most part you are right.  Though that's partially why I respect Jews so much as they encourage the study of science.  They are scholars who don't try to convert the world to make money.  They discourage converts.  They are only interested in intelligent people who truly believe in Judaism.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Why not tell truth and say, that jews are hidden racists who hate "impure goims"?

I suggest you read books of Israel Shahak who is a leftist critic of jewish religious

obscurity and decribes internal jewish xenophobia so present in their entire history and especially today, in sweet Israel.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Here's another one. I don't know about you, but I find that blatant racism right there. But if Ender's really that PO'd, you'd think he'd just ignore the person. I'm not sure if I'd call his comments about "Euros hating Jews" racist, it may be more of a comment about a problem he sees with Europe. He never said that all Europeans hate Jews. As for his avatar, it's an image of someone throwing away a Shwastica. I think that's more of a statement supporting the disposal of racist ideologies. But I could be wrong.

 

Edited comment out for member-bashing, just in case the mods don't like it.

Edited September 30, 2005 by Mothman

[BattleCookiee]

I'm not sure if I'd call his comments about "Euros hating Jews" racist, it may be more of a comment about a problem he sees with Europe.  He never said that all Europeans hate Jews.  As for his avatar, it's an image of someone throwing away a Shwastica.  I think that's more of a statement supporting the disposal of racist ideologies.  But I could be wrong

 

It falls in the same catogory of "racism" Ender bashes us for allowing such comments...

[Commissar]

Here's another one.  I don't know about you, but I find that blatant racism right there.  But if Ender's really that PO'd, you'd think he'd just ignore the person.  I'm not sure if I'd call his comments about "Euros hating Jews" racist, it may be more of a comment about a problem he sees with Europe.  He never said that all Europeans hate Jews.  As for his avatar, it's an image of someone throwing away a Shwastica.  I think that's more of a statement supporting the disposal of racist ideologies.  But I could be wrong. 

 

Edited comment out for member-bashing, just in case the mods don't like it. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't report people if you're over the age of 16. All there is to it. Society isn't always peachy-keen nor jelly bean, and it's not always going to be to your liking. Private message board, can do what they want, yada yada yada. Bottom line is, there are always going to be intolerant people or, even moreso, people you don't agree with. Debate the issues with 'em straight-up and agree to disagree if it comes down to it, but tugging on teacher's skirts and complaining that the glue-sniffer was being mean to you just isn't called for.

 

And I will point out once more that Americans do not comprise a racial group. A nationality, in a sense, but not a race. Getting ticked off because people outside the US don't think it's the greatest thing since the toaster oven is not only incredibly naive, it's also incredibly naive. Alright, so I guess it's all around naive.

[Authority]

Here's another one.  I don't know about you, but I find that blatant racism right there.  But if Ender's really that PO'd, you'd think he'd just ignore the person.  I'm not sure if I'd call his comments about "Euros hating Jews" racist, it may be more of a comment about a problem he sees with Europe.  He never said that all Europeans hate Jews.  As for his avatar, it's an image of someone throwing away a Shwastica.  I think that's more of a statement supporting the disposal of racist ideologies.  But I could be wrong.

 

Let's look at this:

 

 

It gets me how much anti-semitism I see in Europe, and I've never understood why.  I understand the hatred on both sides of the Palestinean/Isreali conflict, but why do Europeans hate Jews so much?

 

 

If I was using the same kind of rethorics as Ender, I would say this was a pretty blatant attempt to mark Europeans as antisemitic. And that is comming from someone who a) is not european b) does not follow european media c) is a known supporter of the israeli goverment d) would scream bloody murder if the same question was asked but Europeans would be replaced with Americans.

 

 

See?

[julianw]

On a side note, this question goes out to those English experts here: isn't racism the belief that one race could be superior than another and the cases being discussed here are actually called stereotyping.

[Surreptishus]

I would call racism making any broad prejudgement about something purely or predominantlt based on race. "stereotyping" can fall within this definition.

 

 

btw can boycotting still count if one lurks?

[Kaftan Barlast]

On a side note, this question goes out to those English experts here: isn't racism the belief that one race could be superior than another and  the cases being discussed here are actually called stereotyping.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

 

I dont think its either one of them actually. Calling someone a racist doesnt make you a racist, and saying that xenophobia is part of jewish culture isnt stereotyping because its true.

[kumquatq3]

well, huh...how about that.

 

"this little psycho **** family of ours is gonna rip itself apart." (guess the movie)

[Gorth]

I thought "discussions about moderation" weren't supposed to be done in public.

 

I guess the rules don't apply to some.

You are right.

 

Ender seemed to have an issue with this one:

 

Discrimination: Obsidian has a zero-tolerance policy with regard to racial, ethnic, gender, religious, disablement, and/or sexually discriminating remarks.

Which is quite ironic as he himself has turned harassment and impersonating into an artform:

 

Harassment: We ask that the users of this board treat one another with respect, even when opinions differ. Personal attacks that are intended to cause unwanted attention, embarrassment, or harm will not be tolerated. In addition, Obsidian does not tolerate disrespectful and/or slanderous posts about its competitors, developers and publishers. Such posts will be subject to editing or deleting, with its posters censured or banned.

 

 

Impersonation: Impersonating another person, such as a user, moderator, company, or Obsidian Entertainment employee is prohibited.

 

And regarding public posting of mod disagreements:

Moderators: Should you find posts that seem inappropriate, please feel free to let our moderators know. If you have an issue with the moderators, please use our private messaging system to message the moderator or administrator. Personal issues between moderators and users may not be posted publicly (nor through avatar or signature use) and will be deleted without notice.

Italicised by me.

 

He publicly named both moderators and the company (and by association, it's employees) as racists or supporters of racism.

 

I used to have have a great deal of respect for Ender, but that has dropped considerably lately, with the "rules apply to everybody but me" attitude

[SteveThaiBinh]

He'll be back within a week or two.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wouldn't surprise me. This internet thing gets everywhere these days, even the most surprising of places.

I have no idea how people live without an internet connection 

 

Imagine the horror!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's amazingly easy when it happens. You discover all these other things you can do with the days. Then of course, when your connection comes back, you forget it all in the giddy relief of being able to download game patches and read online comics once more.

[Shryke]

i'll get around to getting a connection sooner or later, but i'm gonna be pretty busy for a while...

 

i'm leaving in a couple of hours though

[Judge Hades]

Well, good luck and all. :D

[Gorth]

i'll get around to getting a connection sooner or later, but i'm gonna be pretty busy for a while...

 

i'm leaving in a couple of hours though

Just in time for the spring festival up in the Botanic Garden

[Darkside]

Ya'll come back now, ya hear? We'll miss you Shryke.

 

As for Ender, I agree with Gorth and Hades. He's usually so respectable and and logical, but all of a sudden he's throwing temper tantrums. With any luck he'll calm down and come back.

Edited October 1, 2005 by Darkside

[Musopticon?]

He won't.