Do you think Kotor Was A waste?

[Craigboy2]

Do you think Kotor Was A waste?, a waste of Time and MoneY?

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No, but I do think it was rushed.

[jodo kast 5]

In my opinion, if your going to make a game at least make it complete otherwise don't even bother makin it because it's just a waste of time and money

[Flipside]

I think it wasn't a bad game.There were thinks that annoyed me but there were also some new and interesting thoughts like the Influence sistem.

[Dark Moth]

Those who call the KOTOR II storyline mediocre simply don't understand it.

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No, I understood it fine. I just thought it was LAME.

[Darkside]

Those who call the KOTOR II storyline mediocre simply don't understand it.

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No, I understood it fine. I just thought it was LAME.

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Well let's just go get you a copy of Halo 2 shall we? I think you'll find it's straight-forward, shallow, (and practically non-existant) plot much more to your suiting. "

[JEREL_HARTH]

Maybe is mediocre, but is not a waste.

99% of the world is mediocre

 

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[Dark Moth]

Those who call the KOTOR II storyline mediocre simply don't understand it.

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No, I understood it fine. I just thought it was LAME.

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Well let's just go get you a copy of Halo 2 shall we? I think you'll find it's straight-forward, shallow, (and practically non-existant) plot much more to your suiting. "

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What? Are you saying Halo 1+2 don't have a plot? But you can't really compare the two because Halo didn't rely on the storyline as much as it did its excellent gameplay (something K2 could have improved on, I think). If you look, you'll find KOTOR fans care more about the storyline than Halo fans (although both shared similar endings). In Halo, it was the gameplay and the individual moments of excitement and tension that it relied on.

 

And while K2 certainly had a plot, I found it kind of boring, and IMO it could have been done way better. I thought K1's plot was a lot better, and not nearly as shallow as some claim it was. :D

[Darkside]

What?  Are you saying Halo 1+2 don't have a plot?    But you can't really compare the two because Halo didn't rely on the storyline as much as it did its excellent gameplay (something K2 could have improved on, I think).  If you look, you'll find KOTOR fans care more about the storyline than Halo fans (although both shared similar endings).  In Halo, it was the gameplay and the individual moments of excitement and tension that it relied on. 

 

And while K2 certainly had a plot, I found it kind of boring, and IMO it could have been done way better.  I thought K1's plot was a lot better, and not nearly as shallow as some claim it was.  :D

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Do not speak ill of Halo! I would never dream of such blasphemy!

 

It was the disappoinment of Halo 2 to which I reffered. And while I know FPS's don't have to have the depth of an RPG, that wasn't really my problem with Halo 2. I could have coped with no plot, but to use the same one again? That's just sad.

[GhostofAnakin]

And while K2 certainly had a plot, I found it kind of boring, and IMO it could have been done way better.  I thought K1's plot was a lot better, and not nearly as shallow as some claim it was.  :D

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That's the most important part of your post that I bolded. The whole different tastes for different folks thing.

[Lord Satasn]

When I played KOTOR.....I loved it...thought it was the best star wars story I've seen in a long time, if not abit better than the movies.

 

After replaying it alot and I mean ALOT...the story was still strong....

 

but then after reading forums and stuff I realised that the story wasnt that indepth and almost linear...still loved it.

 

After playing KOTOR 2...I thought...what a great story, excellent and well done...up until the dantoine "ending" of the game...we all know about that. And at first after beating the game I was like...wtf!?

 

But after playing it over and over again, I realised it's really not that bad, you can live with it...especially after reading these forums and seeing so many ppl complain...I did "not" want to be "that" guy...haha...

 

Then I realised...that there is most likely going to be a K3....and K2 had an excellent story for an rpg for the second story of the trilogy...

 

and then after playing K2 alot...I went and played K1...

 

and the story is MUCH better...after K2's depecitons of what happened with Revan....

 

everything the characters say in k1 about revan means alot more, and there are alot more hidden things/possibilitys u can conclude from ur own imagination...that weren there b4 K2...

 

So now...

 

I'd say K1 has the better story...only because of K2...and mostly because it flows better

[EnderAndrew]

The game certainly wasn't a waste or people wouldn't still be talking about it. Certain aspects were disappointing, but there were some really good aspects of it.

[GhostofAnakin]

If the criteria for labelling a game as a waste was a poor ending or some bugs, then there's actually not a whole lot of games on my list that were not a waste of money and time.

[RevanRedefined]

KOTOR was probably the best EU story, and personally I find more interesting then the movies.

 

It brought new fans into the RPG world and created even a few new Star Wars fans.

 

Not a waste if you ask me.

[Dark Moth]

KOTOR was probably the best EU story, and personally I find more interesting then the movies.

 

It brought new fans into the RPG world and created even a few new Star Wars fans.

 

Not a waste if you ask me.

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Agreed. It's second only to the original trilogy, IMO. But I don't really need to say again which KOTOR story I prefer. " (see above posts)

[EnderAndrew]

Have you guys read the KOTOR-era comics? What about the Timothy Zahn novels?

[nitropowah]

I guess I do prefer KOTOR for the replayability it had, and I know I would have enjoyed it more if the surprise had not been revealed to me early (the Databank talks about you being Revan undirectly). I think it was a great game, an excellent storyline done with much imagination, and very enjoyable.

 

KOTOR 2 disappointed me at the end, as it did us all I think. But the second time I played it, I kinda understood more the storyline, I went deeper with each character, and explored every world with more enthusiasm. I like the "dark" tone the game had, with all the "hidden" Sith and the betrayer. I guess I'm a fan of plot twists like in K1 and the Traya thing in K2, and I still like a lot that part when you are talking to the Jedi Council, and the dialogue alternates between them and Kreia...

 

Well I guess it depends on each person's own opinion and likes. I did enjoy K2, and still enjoy it a lot, as I did K1. Of course K2 could have been A LOT better... but those hopes remain in the hands of TSL Restoration Project (thx 4 that).

[Lord Satasn]

Those who call the KOTOR II storyline mediocre simply don't understand it.

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No, I understood it fine. I just thought it was LAME.

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Well let's just go get you a copy of Halo 2 shall we? I think you'll find it's straight-forward, shallow, (and practically non-existant) plot much more to your suiting. "

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What? Are you saying Halo 1+2 don't have a plot? But you can't really compare the two because Halo didn't rely on the storyline as much as it did its excellent gameplay (something K2 could have improved on, I think). If you look, you'll find KOTOR fans care more about the storyline than Halo fans (although both shared similar endings). In Halo, it was the gameplay and the individual moments of excitement and tension that it relied on.

 

And while K2 certainly had a plot, I found it kind of boring, and IMO it could have been done way better. I thought K1's plot was a lot better, and not nearly as shallow as some claim it was. :D

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Ironic, that you say Halo 1 didnt rely on plot, but its gameplay, but I find that Halo's story was FAR better than Halo 2's story...and in fact, in comparison from KOTOR 1 to KOTOR 2 vs Halo to Halo 2...I think the KOTOR 1 to KOTOR 2 was much smoother, as far as continuation...Halo 2 was a ****ing joke man.

 

And I am a Halo fan...Kind of....Soldier of Fortune 2 for the PC is better imo

[EnderAndrew]

Halo is overrated on so many levels.

[Calax]

you go through the same room again and again and again in Halo. I liked thrawn better than I did any of the Kotor Era opponents (except maybe Ulic. But then is he really a bad guy?). At least Thrawn tried to keep things in line. His entire goal was to bring Order to the galaxy. It's just that he thought the Empire could do that better than the Rebellion. I'm guessing if he had waited a couple of dozen years to come back he would have surrendered like his protoge did in Vision of the Future.

[Judge Hades]

The journey wasn't a waste. The ending was.

[Volourn]

The game wasn't a waste. A good game that could abeen better; but wasn't.

[Dark Moth]

Ironic, that you say Halo 1 didnt rely on plot, but its gameplay, but I find that Halo's story was FAR better than Halo 2's story...and in fact, in comparison from KOTOR 1 to KOTOR 2 vs Halo to Halo 2...I think the KOTOR 1 to KOTOR 2 was much smoother, as far as continuation...Halo 2 was a ****ing joke man.

 

And I am a Halo fan...Kind of....Soldier of Fortune 2 for the PC is better imo

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Agreed. The story in Halo 1 was way better, esp since Halo 2 was almost a repeat of the first one. Although I slightly disagree about transition. In fact, I thought transition between Halo 1+2 was better than K1 +K2.

Oh, I have SOF2, too, but its for X-Box. Halo is better, IMO.

 

The journey wasn't a waste.  The ending was.

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Very true. Although, the journey could have been much better. <_< A waste of time? No. A disappointment? Yes.

 

Yay! My 300th post! :D

[Jediphile]

Nobody would have even asked question of whether KotOR was a waste when K1 was still on its high.

 

The problem comes with the fact that K1 was really an exclusive game with a definite ending, which they then wanted to do a sequel to. Given how different the DS and LS endings of K1 are, it's a real bitch trying to fit it all together in one succeeding storyline.

 

In that sense I think K2 succeeded, though. I don't agree with those who criticize K2 for its plot. I thought the plot was strong and deep and had interesting characters. It speaks volumes to me that *everybody* really hates Kreia. Nobody likes or admires her. That tells me she was a triumph of a character as the sly manipulator. And the plot of her intentions is complex and interesting in my eyes.

 

The problem with K2 is that it's open-ended. It does not have a clear-cut "hero wins, gets the girl (or guy) and saves/rules the galaxy"-ending like K1. That makes it less epic than its predecessor or at least seem to be. I don't agree that this makes the plot weak or boring, though. I do agree that the plot was cut to pieces by the cut content, however. But I cannot criticize the underlying plot on that basis. It wasn't the plot but the execution that was disappointing to me.

 

And K2 has left a lot of unanswered clues to what might happen in a K3. No, I'm not talking about the cut content, but things that are and were always meant to mysterious and ambiguous in K2. There are clues in there to what might happen next. I've analyzed a few of these on these boards, and I honestly can't wait to play K3 and see whether I was right or not.

 

To me that doesn't make KotOR a waste in the least. It does make it difficult for me to tell whether K2 was good or not before I see K3, though.

[Guest MacleodCorp]

Nobody would have even asked question of whether KotOR was a waste when K1 was still on its high.

 

The problem comes with the fact that K1 was really an exclusive game with a definite ending, which they then wanted to do a sequel to. Given how different the DS and LS endings of K1 are, it's a real bitch trying to fit it all together in one succeeding storyline.

 

In that sense I think K2 succeeded, though. I don't agree with those who criticize K2 for its plot. I thought the plot was strong and deep and had interesting characters. It speaks volumes to me that *everybody* really hates Kreia. Nobody likes or admires her. That tells me she was a triumph of a character as the sly manipulator. And the plot of her intentions is complex and interesting in my eyes.

 

The problem with K2 is that it's open-ended. It does not have a clear-cut "hero wins, gets the girl (or guy) and saves/rules the galaxy"-ending like K1. That makes it less epic than its predecessor or at least seem to be. I don't agree that this makes the plot weak or boring, though. I do agree that the plot was cut to pieces by the cut content, however. But I cannot criticize the underlying plot on that basis. It wasn't the plot but the execution that was disappointing to me.

 

And K2 has left a lot of unanswered clues to what might happen in a K3. No, I'm not talking about the cut content, but things that are and were always meant to mysterious and ambiguous in K2. There are clues in there to what might happen next. I've analyzed a few of these on these boards, and I honestly can't wait to play K3 and see whether I was right or not.

 

To me that doesn't make KotOR a waste in the least. It does make it difficult for me to tell whether K2 was good or not before I see K3, though.

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You know what is intresting. I come to these forums day after day, and I tried to voice how I feel about this game. As I read the above quoted post, I have finally found the cleariest explination, which sums up how I also felt about this game.

 

KotOR II is a great game, but it has created a lot of open ended questions. Since this game feels like a sequal in a trilogy, I don't think I can say it was a waste of time. If there is to be a KotOR III, then I will have to judge KotOR II based upon the third's revelations.

 

From my experience with games, which is not like everyone elses, I never came across a sequal type of game, which belongs to a trilogy. Therefore, all of my banter in these forums was based upon a game experience, which I have never encountered before.

 

If KotOR III was created with a clear explination of what occured in KotOR II, then I would call KotOR II a success. Since KotOR II created questions, and did not produce clear answers, KotOR II could not be a stand alone complex.

 

All and all, I think KotOR II's fate will depend on a third. Until then, I am going to hold back any future judgements, and see what will turn up in the finale.

 

DarhPon - I think your question has brought us to think about this game in clearity.

 

Jediphile - I think your post has calmed my thoughts about KotOR II, and has shead some logic to some of my thinking.. Thank You! (w00t)

[jodo kast 5]

The game wasn't a waste. A good game that could abeen better; but wasn't.

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