zer"0" Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Actually, I agree with Kumquat. Starcraft Broodwar is probably the most balanced rts game. Warcraft was fun while it lasted. With Frozen Throne exp. its much better. The reason I stopped playing War:FT was that the micro is killer. If you can't micro at least as well as your opponent your dead. That plus herocraft killed the fun factor for me. (I found that micro-ing my Heroes was essential to win) And every single game turned out nearly the same. Bottomline: I got bored with WAR3:FT. That still hasn't happened with Starcraft - Me and my brother play a game whenever we get to LAN with some friends. "My life for Aiur!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zer"0" Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Dawn of War was amazing in both in single and multiplayer, not just in balance but overall gameplay and atmosphere. Ditto. Plus the death-animations rock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 WC3 should have been called Herocraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Geez, so much abuse for WC3....It entertained me, at least, though admittedly I'm one of the rare few that usually sticks to single player. And I can't imagine how they wouldn't make a Starcraft 2. The note Brood War ends on is blatantly set up for such. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 The note Brood War ends on is blatantly set up for such. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jim Raynor after Fenix dies: "I swear Kerrigan, I don't now how or when, but someday you're going to die by my hands. You have a good day now" I'd say it kinda sets up a sequel and I agree, WC3 was pretty weak. I played throught the single play campaigns, but got bored realllllllllly quickly on Bnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Jim Raynor after Fenix dies: "I swear Kerrigan, I don't now how or when, but someday you're going to die by my hands. You have a good day now" I'd say it kinda sets up a sequel <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't forget about Duran, the Terran/Zerg guy, if you got to the secret level following Brood War Zerg Mission 9 (SPOILERS!): [ After their defeat, the Protoss are looking for Artanis and his warriors. They found some possible traces located on a moon nearby. In the mission, you control a small group of Protoss and you can Mind Control enemies to get more units. While searching around on the moon, you disover strange Terran experiments on Zerg and Protoss technology, and at the end of the mission, the purpose of these experiments becomes clear: the creation of a Protoss/Zerg Hybrid! The experiments seem to be lead by Samir Duran, this is the ending of the dialogue between Duran and Zeratul: DURAN No. Young Kerrigan could not have engineered this grand experiment. Although her rebirth into the Zerg Swarm has sped up my progress, I can assure you that this endeavor is quite beyond her narrow understanding. ZERATUL If you are not her pawn, then what are you? DURAN I am a servant of a far greater power. A power that has slept for countless ages. And is reflected in the creature within that cell. ZERATUL Have you any conception of what you've created here? Do you have any idea what this... this Hybrid is capable of? DURAN Of course I do. This creature is the completion of a cycle. It's role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history. ZERATUL All I behold is an abomination. DURAN Your violence, young prodigal, is typical. As is your inablility to comprehend the greater scheme of things. You can destroy all of the specimens here. It will do you no good. For I have seeded the Hybrid on many, many worlds. You will never find them all before they awaken... And when they do... your universe will be changed... forever. The entire dialogue just reeks of foreshadowing. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 ^ and a 4th new faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 ^ and a 4th new faction. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep. Sounds like Xel'Naga to me. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 yea, forgot about the secret level Seriously, whats the ****in hold up with SC2? I forget who owns Blizzard, but you assume they would be all over them for a follow up. All their games sell well, but nothing sold like Starcraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 yea, forgot about the secret level Seriously, whats the ****in hold up with SC2? I forget who owns Blizzard, but you assume they would be all over them for a follow up. All their games sell well, but nothing sold like Starcraft <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's entirely possible that it's being worked on right now and they just haven't announced it. After all, World of Warcraft is finished, so the only game they have officially under development right now is Starcraft: Ghost. Blizzard has a track record of making new installments in existing series before trying radically new stuff. As such, I would wager Starcraft II won't be too far off. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 ^ and a 4th new faction. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep. Sounds like Xel'Naga to me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think it's the Xel'Naga. If you read SC's manual, the zerg story part, it tells us how the overmind absorbed the Xel'naga into the hive mind - removing all their knowledge. Of course it wouldnt be the first time for developers to contradict themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Starcraft is so much better than WC3 it's not even funny. I usually hate RTS games (mostly because I suck at them), but even I loved Starcraft. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Warcraft 3 was to real time strat what CIV 3 was to Turn based strat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Contreras Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Warcraft 3 was to real time strat what CIV 3 was to Turn based strat. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, come on. The game itself sold great and has spawned a ton of imitators. Beyond vanilla WCIII are a host of really well made mods. Tower Defense, Rival Nations and DoTA have all been incredibly popular alternatives to melee games. Even if you loathe the single-player campaign and multiplayer melee, you gotta give the game props for empowering the community to create their own content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I don't think it's the Xel'Naga. If you read SC's manual, the zerg story part, it tells us how the overmind absorbed the Xel'naga into the hive mind - removing all their knowledge. Of course it wouldnt be the first time for developers to contradict themselves. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think it has to be a contradiction. All you'd have to do is suggest that some Xel'naga either weren't there to be absorbed or somehow escaped the Overmind. The majority could be killed off, but all we really have is a suggestion that there are no more Xel'naga left. Besides, the description fits perfectly. A group attempting to breed the perfect race, uniting the best elements of the Xel'naga's two greatest experiments....if it isn't them, there must at least be a link, as the goals sound too perfectly matched. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Well, iirc, one dev at Obsidian should have a pretty good idea if a SC2 is in the pipeline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 (edited) Warcraft 3 was to real time strat what CIV 3 was to Turn based strat. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, come on. The game itself sold great and has spawned a ton of imitators. Beyond vanilla WCIII are a host of really well made mods. Tower Defense, Rival Nations and DoTA have all been incredibly popular alternatives to melee games. Even if you loathe the single-player campaign and multiplayer melee, you gotta give the game props for empowering the community to create their own content. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The only credit I give WC3 is that it (edit: seemed to have) ripped off Warlords Battlecry. Edited January 22, 2005 by Darque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Well, iirc, one dev at Obsidian should have a pretty good idea if a SC2 is in the pipeline <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you mean Michael Chu, it's possible. Not that he would tell us. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Well, iirc, one dev at Obsidian should have a pretty good idea if a SC2 is in the pipeline <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you mean Michael Chu, it's possible. Not that he would tell us. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We have ways of making him talk ::LOOK AT THE CRAZY CAT:: now talk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roshan Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Is thereany website where I can read the starcraft/broodwar storyline, including the dialogues? I have forgotten most of it, specially the broodwar part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Is thereany website where I can read the starcraft/broodwar storyline, including the dialogues? I have forgotten most of it, specially the broodwar part. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In order to find that Duran dialogue, I searched the Internet and found this. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakron Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I cannot wait for StarCraft 2 ... I have unfinished buiness with Arcturus Mengsk for what he did with Sarah Kerrigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I think Kerrigan is much happier now as a Zerg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I cannot wait for StarCraft 2 ... I have unfinished buiness with Arcturus Mengsk for what he did with Sarah Kerrigan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> She may not have finished him, but I think Kerrigan got vengeance aplenty. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aponez Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I think Kerrigan is much happier now as a Zerg <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe she is much happier as a Zerg, but I prefer her like was before be a Zerg. I hope Arcturus Mengsk will be in SC 2, then I'll can try what is harder his head or a Yamato Gun <_< PRIUS FLAMMIS COMBUSTA QUAM ARMIS NUMANCIA VICTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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