Ivan the Terrible Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 Yes, I know the Designers have made an effort to make every skill more useful. Yes, I know this time around Treat Injury or Demolitions won't just be a laughable waste of points due to the godlike power of Force Heal and the underwhelming power of mines. The real question I'm asking is: which skills will let me see new dialogue, new character development, new and interesting things story-wiserather than gameplay-wise? I like being able to disassemble old inventory for parts as much as the next guy, but what I always enjoy most in any RPG is storyline, and therefore I want to know which skills will let me see as much of that nifty stuff as possible. Take an example: Planescape: Torment. Yes, you could play the game as a Fighter or Thief, and see lots of cool stuff, no problem....but without being a mage for at least awhile, the entire Dak'kon conversation string involving the Circle of Zerthimon was locked to you. That was, IMHO, one of the coolest parts of the game....and, frankly, I want to unlock as much of that nifty stuff as possible when I play. Or Fallout 2; if your skill in Science was high enough, you could not only humiliate Myron with your superior knowledge (especially fun if you're playing a woman), but could find a cure for Jet and make it so Vault City could win Redding (though who would want that to happen?) So what about it, designers, if you're out there? Any skills you would specifically recommend we focus on for someone looking for story development rather than simple gameplay stuff? I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Ivan the Terrible Posted November 19, 2004 Author Posted November 19, 2004 GAAAHH! Sorry, folks, kept giving me an error message so I thought it wasn't posting. Mods, if you're out there, please delete the duplicates. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Laozi Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 VCR programing People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair.
Ivan the Terrible Posted November 19, 2004 Author Posted November 19, 2004 VCR programing <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 20,000 years of star travel and they haven't even moved up to DVDs? I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Jedi Master D Murda Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 The most important skill would be computer.
Laozi Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 VCR programing <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 20,000 years of star travel and they haven't even moved up to DVDs? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually I wonder if the have discovered the superior sound quality of vinyl People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair.
Darth Sun_Tzu Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 So far i've heard that treat injury and repair will add dialog lines but i'm sure others will also. Plus you can delete your own excess threads. Another great idea by the people who brought you beer milkshakes! "I don't see a problem...then again, SW isn't my life, so what do I know...." - some who makes 27.8 post per day on a SW forum!
Ivan the Terrible Posted November 19, 2004 Author Posted November 19, 2004 Plus you can delete your own excess threads. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmmm......I looked under edit, but didn't see the option. Checking again. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Masamune Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 Yeah, I was hoping for some of that myself. I never played Fallout but I picked up a guide about it when I heared of Obsidian, pretty interesting game imo. OE might done this with Kotor because they already said in a article that the endings would be similar to the Fallout series. :cool:
Darth Sun_Tzu Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 Plus you can delete your own excess threads. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmmm......I looked under edit, but didn't see the option. Checking again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's not in 'edit' its at the bottom of the page in moderator options just below users reading topic. Another great idea by the people who brought you beer milkshakes! "I don't see a problem...then again, SW isn't my life, so what do I know...." - some who makes 27.8 post per day on a SW forum!
Ivan the Terrible Posted November 19, 2004 Author Posted November 19, 2004 It's not in 'edit' its at the bottom of the page in moderator options just below users reading topic. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ahhh. Got it. Thanks. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Rosbjerg Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 VCR programing <{POST_SNAPBACK}> that would be a great skill to have irl .. I can't set my VCR .. Fortune favors the bald.
Ludozee Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 I think computer would be the most useful, storywise. In Kotor it was the skill I used most (actively). Persude would be useful too, but I think persuade as a DS skill, and I'd like to see myself as a Super LS Guy
Rosbjerg Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 it depends on what you want I guess .. Demolition and Security will get you access to hidden areas or shortcuts and what have you .. Intelligence, charisma, wisdom, awarness and persuade will help in dialouge options and unlock information .. perhaps this is most story related? its quite logical what each skill and attribute will help with .. But it depends if you want to talk your way through or blow your way through! both is story related I guess.. Fortune favors the bald.
Indalecio Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 I think computer would be the most useful, storywise. In Kotor it was the skill I used most (actively). Persude would be useful too, but I think persuade as a DS skill, and I'd like to see myself as a Super LS Guy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Pursuade isn't DS, its neutral. Pursuade can't be used to force anyone to do anything. Its ultimately the decision of the target. Force Persuade is another story entirely though...
Laozi Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 ya what do you think Obi-Won uses in ANH it all depends on the circumstances People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair.
Darth Sun_Tzu Posted November 20, 2004 Posted November 20, 2004 I think this time around all the skills will be more useful which will add to the replay value. Another great idea by the people who brought you beer milkshakes! "I don't see a problem...then again, SW isn't my life, so what do I know...." - some who makes 27.8 post per day on a SW forum!
Indalecio Posted November 20, 2004 Posted November 20, 2004 ya what do you think Obi-Won uses in ANH it all depends on the circumstances <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Didn't say Force Persuade was DS. Just that Persuade was not.
Leto Posted November 20, 2004 Posted November 20, 2004 Awareness seems to have the most potential if it is going to be used to gauge other people's tones/moods/body launguage in conversations. I think we will see a lot of people trying to be deceptive when speaking with the PC, and being able to see through, or even play along with, someone's lie could have interesting story repercussions. Romances, if there will be any, could be made a little more interesting by perceiving what another person is feeling, and whether it not it would, for example, be prudent to press them on their feelings or if it would make him or her uncomfortable. I'd imagine things like Repair and Treat Injury will play somewhat minor roles in the story, such as repairing a broken console to access it or treating an injured NPC's wounds (ala the Wookie in the Shadowlands that you had the option of healing, which always succeded by default).
sinister_sith Posted November 20, 2004 Posted November 20, 2004 I heard that stealth will let you see conversations that without enough stealth. pursuade will also be useful. Awareness seems to have the most potential if it is going to be used to gauge other people's tones/moods/body launguage in conversations. I think we will see a lot of people trying to be deceptive when speaking with the PC, and being able to see through, or even play along with, someone's lie could have interesting story repercussions. Romances, if there will be any, could be made a little more interesting by perceiving what another person is feeling, and whether it not it would, for example, be prudent to press them on their feelings or if it would make him or her uncomfortable. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree
Laozi Posted November 20, 2004 Posted November 20, 2004 Ya I never used stealth in kotor, hopefully they will give me a good reason to use it in atleast one of the play throughs People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair.
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