Topaz Quasar Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Darth Maul was divided as to what he should do at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Make it end. Stop the PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I now pull out my wakisashi and commit seppeku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Darth Maul was divided as to what he should do at the end. In the end he was beside himself when he found he was shafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 As the dismembered Maul looked back at his death scene, he was beside himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Naver Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Maul had his attention split in two directions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 I hate Maul's death scene. It make no sense what-so-ever. This dedicated, vigiliant Sith suddenly decides that he doesn't need to pay attention or attempt to defend himself, and also decides not to attack Obi-Wan as he flips through the air. Maul was far too caught up in his own power and ability. Pride is the biggest giant killer. That was part of the point behind the scene. Someone said something about not gloating after killing Qui Gon,little different situation. Qui Gon was dead but Obi-wan was still there and able to fight. When he gloated over Obi-wan there was no one else there to be a threat,except for obi-wan who he thought he had dead to rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 He should have killed him instead of gloated. I would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Well you have more brains then pride then. Something the character did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Well, I just learned from IGN Atton is the most powerful (jedi or not). He can't be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Well, that's stupid. I hate unkillable characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 He's only down for a couple secs unless all others are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 He can "die" in battle. He just "wakes up" if there's still a character that is up in battle. Takes a certain amount of time I'm pretty sure. But if he's the last person up and he goes down then it's game over. Not to mention he only starts with a few VP so it might not always be a life saver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 If vader were maimed it was a really good deal if he got or almost got luke. What does it matter to vader if he re-loses a body part It's not the loss of the body part,it's the loss of the fight. Vader did not want to lose the fight he did not want to die. He wanted to rule the galaxy with Luke and without Pal. He wanted to be the master with his son at his side. Didn't the ROTJ book make a comment about Vader feeling embarrased by his son after the first shot he got in and that is when Vader started in on Luke without holding back? And another scene in the book as Pal is shocking Luke about Vader crawling back to Pal like beaten dog to his Master? Vader wanted Luke to fall to the dark side be he not only wanted to be the stronger he needed to be for his plan to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 According to EU, Vader never went full out on luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Full out no,but he didn't hold back like he did in Empire. He really pulled his punches in the Cloud City fight. And that doesn't change that he where he wanted Luke to fall he still needed to be the stonger of the two,needed to win. His whole plan through the end of Empire and ROTJ was to have his son at his side and have the two of them rule. He wanted to be the Master,he was tired of being the one under thumb. He wasn't trying to kill Luke but he still needed to beat him in order for his plan to work. Letting Luke knock him around was not part of his plan. As I said before I'm not saying Luke was the stronger of the two as a whole. Vader just hit the wrong button at the wrong time and it caused Luke to snap for a moment-Just long enough to beat his father. But it was still never part of Vader's plan to get beat down the way he did. It doesn't fit with staying the stonger of the two and staying the Master. Which is what he truly wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Well, what could vader do to restrain luke? Kill him? Make him turn from the dark? Get killed by palpatine at least 50 times (literally)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 He had to make Luke give into his anger,make him mad and unleash on him. But the key is Vader had to stay the stonger of the two to stay in control of the fight. When Luke first took his saber back from Pal and took a swing at him Vader stopped him because he had not given fully into his anger and it still needed to be pulled out him. The book explains that Vader stopped him because there was still a chance that he could kill Pal and return to his friends. Luke needed to be beaten by Vader so Luke understood that Vader was the one in charge. Sort of how Malak turned Bas in Knights. He didn't kill her,he made her feel her anger to the point it over took her all the while staying in control of her. Vader knew pushing Luke with Leia would set him off,his mistake came in when he under estimated just how hard Luke would come off at him. Had Vader been able to stay in control the situation might have been different. Remember in the Zahn book Last Command the dream Mara has of Luke and Vader's fight? She see's Luke and Vader fighting and then turn on and kill Pal. IF Vader had stayed in control,had stayed the stonger of the two then that scene might have been what actually came to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 We don't know if vader was serious about that offer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripleRRR Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 I think he was very serious, it can be tiring to be the number 2 man in a place like the empire, all that power at your fingertips only whets the appetite for more. TripleRRR Using a gamepad to control an FPS is like trying to fight evil through maple syrup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 But luke said in TLC (the last command) he didn't think vader was very serious about the offer and it was enticement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 The ROTJ books gives really good look into the head of Vader. Vader hated Pal but at the same time was under his control. He wanted Luke to join him so they could kill him. Is there any reason to think he wasn't serious about it? I can't think of anything off the top of my head to assume he was only using the offer as a ploy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripleRRR Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 The emporer took it seriously, and Luke was just a little bit messed up at that point. TripleRRR Using a gamepad to control an FPS is like trying to fight evil through maple syrup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Ahhh, a book I haven't read being constantly thrown at me... I can't abide it... Is this book you keep mentioning very good? I've had it thrown in my face something like 20 times today (ok I exagerate a little). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Luke said he thought he wasn't serious. Mara stated that Pal took him serious. And because Luke didn't take him serious does not mean he wasn't. The ROTJ book tells a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Once again this book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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