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Carney rolls his eyes at US Treasury secretary, telling Trump he meant what he said at Davos

Carney rolled his eyes and rejected U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent’s contention to Fox News that he aggressively walked back his comments at the World Economic Forum during a phone call with Trump on Monday.

“To be absolutely clear, and I said this to the president, I meant what I said in Davos,” Carney said to reporters as he arrived for a Cabinet meeting in the capital, Ottawa.

“Canada was the first country to understand the change in U.S. trade policy that he initiated, and we’re responding to that. ”

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

keep in mind that the feds is playing fast and loose with the numbers just by using %. if we were informed that ice activity in residential neighborhoods had increased 13x since trump 2.0 began, you likely wouldn't be shocked. am not sure what the actual increase is, but is gonna be significant, yes? if ice activity has multiplied by a factor o' 13, then one would expect assaults to increase by at least the same amount... ignoring the fact the ice guys is now receiving half the training they did previous and am expecting the % o' rookie ice officers is now much higher than years past.

https://x.com/KaivanShroff/status/2016024233160147376

also,

Jury acquits LA County ICE protester of assaulting a federal officer

Brayan Ramos-Brito was accused of assaulting a federal agent during a protest outside the Homeland Security Investigations building in Paramount. Initially, federal authorities charged him with a felony but reduced it to misdemeanor assault of a federal officer. 

During the two-day trial, U.S. Border Patrol Sector Chief Gregory Bovino testified that he witnessed Ramos-Brito strike the agent with an open palm. Multiple videos showing Ramos-Brito were displayed during the trial, one of which showed a Border Patrol officer shoving Ramos-Brito during the June 7 protest. The other videos did not clearly show Ramos-Brito striking the agent.

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as a few people is aware, Gromnir ain't an all cops are bad honk. how many times have we identified that the cop job is not what many people believe it to be? cops ain't required to selfless sacrifice life and limb in protection o' ordinary citizens, and their pay and education means it is unfair to expect 'em to be superheroes in navy blue uniforms. that said, am also aware that most law enforcement am having been around is extreme loose with their definitions o' assault. any person who bumps or touches law enforcement is gonna be written up in the report as having possible committed assault, and then it is up to the prosecutor to charge or not. 

and

DOJ vowed to punish those who disrupt Trump’s immigration crackdown. Dozens of cases have crumbled

The federal agent described her wounds as “boo-boos.”

Nevertheless, the Department of Justice aggressively pursued the alleged perpetrator. They jailed Sidney Lori Reid on a charge of felony assault, accusing her of injuring the agent during a July protest of President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown in Washington, D.C.

When grand jurors thrice declined to indict the 44-year-old on the felony, prosecutors tried her on a misdemeanor.

Body camera footage played at trial revealed that Reid had not intentionally struck the agent. Instead, the agent had scratched her hand on a wall while assisting another agent who had shoved Reid and told her to “shut the f—- up” and “mind her own business.”

It took jurors less than two hours to acquit the animal hospital worker.

...

— Of the 100 people initially charged with felony assaults on federal agents, 55 saw their charges reduced to misdemeanors or dismissed outright. At least 23 pleaded guilty, most of them to reduced charges in deals with prosecutors that resulted in little or no jail time.

More than 40% of the cases involved relatively minor misdemeanor charges, a figure that appears to undermine Trump’s claims that many of those accused are domestic terrorists.

— All five defendants, including Reid, who went to trial so far were acquitted.

— Prosecutors have successfully secured felony indictments against at least 58 people, some initially charged with misdemeanors. Those people have been accused of an assortment of assaults that include throwing rocks at federal vehicles, and punching or kicking officers. Those cases are awaiting trial.

from a june 2025 post 

"btw, the government lies and misleads. a 413% increase in assault o' ice agents? why not say what were the assaults and how many were assaulted? notice the government didn't claim any ice agents were seriously injured yes? if a child grabs the sleeve o' an ice agent while the agent is arresting the child's parent, that counts as an assault. if a citizen husband attempts to embrace his undocumented wife while she is being arrested and he happens to touch an ice agent in the process, that is an assault. and btw, if there were a 500% increase in la ice arrests over the course o' the past week, then how much would you expect assaults on ice agents to increase over the same period if all other factors remained constant?

of the 118 undocumented rounded up by ice at the time o' their press release, only five were gang members, and am gonna remind people that being a gang member is not in and of itself illegal. please note that a handful o' crimes committed by those apprehended by ice is listed, but nowhere does it mention how many people had criminal records. one? why not say the number of criminals unless it is a comical small number?"

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tell us how many assaults has been successful prosecuted, 'cause at this point, nobody should believe dhs numbers.

as to death threats... with what is going on, we wouldn't be surprised if there is a huge increase in threats to ice, but much like what ice calls an assault v. what a reasonable person identifies as an assault, am assuming ice is taking liberties with their tally o' death threats. seven-year-old watches as their mother is dragged away by ice and she grabs the sleeve o' an ice officer and screams, "go to hell." assault and a death threat, right?

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"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

Nice to see the administration's one liner syndrome spreads down to the bottom. 

Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

23 hours ago, Gromnir said:

you are pathological. took a while for the locals to come around to the idea that attacking the character o' individuals before relevant facts has had been established all too often makes the accuser look like a fool in hindsight.

Yeah, someone's pathological here, less than convinced it's me. 

(Personally, I had you pegged as a belligerent troll who couldn't stand losing and would throw words at the screen to 'win' by boring the other person to death way back those 16 (actually 15, since I spent 30s looking it up) years ago when you were an expert in earthquakes. Seems I at least was a good judge of character from the outset, eh. Eerily similar pattern too, with you trying to nitpick quotes)

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or just ignore you.

feel free, we'll see how long it sticks.

and really, don't threaten me with a good time.

2 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

Eerily similar pattern too, with you trying to nitpick quotes

again, am not sure if you are as obtuse as you pretend, and  lord knows it ain't Gromnir who tried to reinvent definitions of ledes, and summaries as some kinda bizarre defense o' the notion that western media is conspiring to embiggen pahlavi.... which is "eerily similar" to your ukraine blunder, blaming journalists for their accurate reporting o' pentagon info... pentagon info which a few more folks shoulda taken serious in hindsight, eh? your pahlavi relevance list o' quotes were from stories which were equivocal and ambivalent  about pahlavi's impact. you were misrepresenting... lying or too lazy to have read the articles. pointing out your error in misrepresenting articles with a no-context list o' quotes is hardly picking nits. converse, responding with inaccurate ledes and summary definitions were laughable and looks positive hypocritical given your current criticisms.

you talking out your kiester ain't our concern... it's the willful deceit. you invent expert opinions and sources outta the ether, and when caught in the act, you claim nit picks. when you is caught misrepresenting the quotes, as you did with your recent mindless search engine efforts, and with the timeframe for iran to achieve breakout, and dementia diagnosis (although that were a strawman bit o' nonsense, so it highlights two o' your auto-fails,) and on and on and on, you deflect with nonsense about ledes definitions and then claim is Gromnir who is indulging sophistry? *chuckle* zor has managed to turn Blix into a verb. 

regardless, this has been a hoot. am waiting for your next attempt to lie your way outta lazy. 

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"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

Trump aides declared 16 DHS shootings since July justified before probes completed

None of the officers from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, U.S. Border Patrol or Homeland Security Investigations has faced criminal charges in any of the shootings, nor has the administration announced any internal disciplinary measures against them.

“Historically, federal cases are investigated thoroughly up front,” said Christopher Parente, who previously served as an assistant U.S. attorney in Chicago and Miami and is representing a woman shot by Border Patrol in Chicago. “Here, they are charging people first and asking questions later. There’s such pressure from the administration to charge right away and make headlines so they can put out false press releases.”

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am suspecting that part o' the goal is to undermine american faith in law enforcement and the legal process. more than a few people in the trump administration has been investigated and trump were convicted. when the trump people are gone from the executive branch, how many americans is gonna trust the fbi to be fair and impartial?

you can't trust them.

party affiliation, education level, skin color, tax bracket and a host o' other thems exist who americans current don't trust the legal system to investigate, much less prosecute fair. the current administration looks hellbent on complete destroying any faith in our legal and investigative institutions.

has been a noticeable recent trend that juries asked to weigh preponderance of the evidence and beyond a reasonable doubt standards are increasing likely to embrace conspiracy theory. gen z jurors in particular is less likely to see anything wrong with indulging fringe beliefs 'pon which to base their ultimate decision on the most hairbrained possibilities. 

'course lack o' faith in law enforcement undermining the justice system is not a new problem (anybody recall oj? not trusting la cops in the early to mid 90s was hardly unreasonable) but rare have we seen a coordinated effort from the government to create the suspicion, and the issue is becoming more widespread than at any time since Gromnir were born... which is a long time remote.

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

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13 hours ago, rjshae said:

I long ago stopped trying to filter out the truth from DJTs constant lie streaming; it's too time consuming and isn't really helpful. At least with most politicians you CAN filter out the political garbage from the facts. But DJT wraps himself in a thick cloak of lies, so your advice isn't really that helpful. I can't trust him to do the right thing, even though very occasionally he does (when it serves his purposes).

I think you misunderstanding me or Im not explaining my point properly 

The US is the worlds most powerful and influential country so even if you want to ignore what the US does it still has relevance through numerous geopolitical levels and its direct impact on the global economy. For example the entire worlds main financial markets follow US interest rates announcements because this has an impact on many currencies 

But Trump is just the US president for the next 3 years and after Midterms his ability to impact changes could be  weakened if  the GOP loses control of the House and Senate 

Thats not the same thing as being outraged and believing everything Trump says. He comments on Truth every few days and if you want you can be  outraged 2-3/week for the next 3 years. Thats your choice 

I said from the beginning of Trumps presidency I was going to try very hard to not be influenced by Trumps SM comments, they often not the same as US official policy which does matter

So the filter Im talking about is knowing the difference between " I want to create a Gaza Riviera " and " I will bomb Iran to stop them getting nukes " 

The latter was not only possible and understandable but the right decision by the US. Iran's nuclear program is no longer the global concern it use to be 

 

 

 

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John Milton 

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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

8 hours ago, Gromnir said:

your pahlavi relevance list o' quotes were from stories which were equivocal and ambivalent  about pahlavi's impact.

Funny, I thought you needed a list of citations in order to check 'context' yourself? Isn't that what you were been complaining about ad nauseum? Yet now you know their context. Most strange.

Both rhetorical questions, but perfectly illustrates why you aren't worth arguing with: you don't actually want citations, you just want to complain about not getting them in order to 'win'. Classic Gromnir, especially when accusing someone else of being dishonest. 

Couldn't care less about being wrong on Ukraine in 2022. That's always the risk you take having an opinion; and I certainly have no interest going back over all the previous times Russia was going to invade to find out who was wrong there. It's only a problem if the person insists they were right after being shown to be wrong.

I would note however that that isn't a great example for you since you were hardly Nostradamus when it came to things Ukraine related, ie your claims that Russia would be bankrupt in 6 months back in 2014. Which even literal years later you were defending (then switched to it all being in the service of pure debate or some such, I had difficulty reading my eyes were rolling so much)

9 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

feel free, we'll see how long it sticks.

wow less than an hour.

This would be a good time for Guard Dog to visit the forums. Really curious to hear how he's reacting to current events.

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5 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Funny, I thought you needed a list of citations in order to check 'context' yourself? Isn't that what you were been complaining about ad nauseum? Yet now you know their context. Most strange.

you are being obtuse. your conceit is that the listed quotes, sans context o' how they were used in stories (and purposeful failing to reveal that the stories were in fact ambivalent and equivocal regarding pahlavi influence... naughty,) revealed some kinda self-evident gestalt conclusion that the west were embiggening pahlavi. voicing your conclusion is not meaningful context... but this tragic rear-guard defense is sophistry... again. *chuckle* your after the fact ledes silliness were an effort to grant context to rando quotes by mere fact the unlinked and unattributed quotes were ledes. you spent multiple posts on that tangential idiocy to try and invent and invest context. am still trying to figure out how you thought (hook + essential facts) = (summary opinions,) but such was always irrelevant.

'course you not getting it, and purposeful deflecting is your mo. spent how many days plagued by you after the israeli attack o' iran 'cause you were doing strawman... you just couldn't accept that Gromnir were critical o' israel's excuses for attacking and so you ignored and lied about our arguments to further your anti-israel position... which were kinda insane as, again, Gromnir were criticizing the israeli rationale for attacking iran. just another example o' how what is said by Gromnir don't matter as you deflect, indulge in the sophistry, and flat out lie when confronted with inconvenient facts. is your modus operandi. compulsive.

 

6 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

your claims that Russia would be bankrupt in 6 months back in 2014. Which even literal years later you were defending (then switched to it all being in the service of pure debate or some such, I had difficulty reading my eyes were rolling so much)

you just can't help self. we posted the position o' a harvard economist who claimed that if russia didn't take drastic measures, they were facing a currency collapse. economically, russia is a gas station with an army, so contrary to zor positions, sanctions can be devastating... which has always been part o' the problem. nobody wants a russian collapse, and pre 2021, nobody wanted russia desperate enough to do something zor thought were unthinkable, such as invading ukraine. is a difficult balancing effort when dealing with such a vulnerable economy.

5 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Couldn't care less about being wrong on Ukraine in 2022.

and you still don't get that it ain't about being wrong. many people were wrong about ukraine. what you did were impugn the character o' people involved in reporting about ukraine in spite o' a paucity o' evidence or support. cops in sheboygan and uvalde is no different than the journalists you smeared before the russian invasion. you arrived at a conclusion o' moral turpitude, and then stuck with it and lied about it even when evidence did become available. blix calling bush a liar was never true; you made it up. when you were final confronted with evidence o' blix stating bush were truthful about wmds, you doubled-down and pointed out that blix were a diplomat, functional calling blix the liar.

am having been personal wrong many times. example: we thought trump were a smaller problem than many imagined in 2016. we pointed out that pretty much everything he were claiming he would do would require Congressional support he were unlikely to ever manage. we would like to go back to 2015 and give our self a good smack for our naivety. we did not foresee the scope o' trump danger... but we didn't suggest that those who saw trump as a transcendental threat were attacking trump for malicious reasons. 

so what?

it ain't being wrong which is the problem. your reflexive character smears before it is possible to make a reasonable and informed conclusions is problematic. your routine misstating o' history, sources and facts is problematic. your lies is problematic.

6 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

feel free, we'll see how long it sticks.

see, this is what you do. find where we said we had put you on ignore.

"you are pathological. took a while for the locals to come around to the idea that attacking the character o' individuals before relevant facts has had been established all too often makes the accuser look like a fool in hindsight. that sorta behaviour happens less around these parts than it once did. am hopeful these continued exercises have a similar positive effect. most o' us take factual claims made by fellow posters at face value, 'cause who could be bothered to check every link and source, but zor is so utter incapable o' intellectual honesty that it is good practice to search every source and verify every quote... or just ignore you."

you are the one clown am not gonna ignore anytime soon. even expressed our admitted wishful thinking that others begin verifying yourr source and fact checking when dealing with zor. why would we ignore you when you have provided us with multiple opportunities respond to and illuminate your misrepresentations since only the middle o' last year, and that is with us being in absentia for weeks and even a month at a time. we offered advice on how boardies should deal with you. ignore is indeed best, at least until you stop lying reflexive. converse, check all your claimed sources and experts. 

doveryay, no proveryay

bad advice when dealing with zor. don't trust. 

"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

am surprised to admit the recent french troll efforts is clever and amusing

and

previous posted

macron sporting the bidenesque aviator glasses deserves a bit o' a penalty, but am giving 'em a B+.

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

49 minutes ago, Pidesco said:

This would be a good time for Guard Dog to visit the forums. Really curious to hear how he's reacting to current events.

his health concerns no doubt take precedence. avoiding the aggravation is the path o' wisdom.

and even w/o him positing, am certain he would recognize how trump 2.0 has been a nightmare for personal liberties, truth and human decency, but do you believe he would budge from his contention that biden was just as bad and kamala might have been worse? we would be shocked if he had given a fraction o' an inch on the they are all bad bit. the ostrich impersonation survived january six, trump being found liable for digital rape, criminal fraud conviction for his business and trump refusing to return nuclear secrets to the national archives, yes?

that said, am genuine hopeful @Guard Dog is enjoying improved health... and wisconsin's -10 C temperatures as well as the ice fishing paradise that is lake winnebago in january.

late edit: if @Pidesco wants for us to take a serious stab at summoning guard dog, am offering the following

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

20 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

you are being obtuse.

Nope. I'm just not bothering to argue. As I said I wouldn't, from the outset.

You got the context, and they were all taken from, to forestall yet another semantic dissimulation, the top of the informational pyramid of a news article, ie where the most important, easy to see and most frequently summarised information came from. You complained about not getting direct citations yet apparently you got enough information to find them and read them too. Your summary of their contents is, of course... interesting, but that's par for the course, in any case it's clear that your demand for citations was not from any genuine need for the information but just for a complaint (and make work, lest we forget you've linked a 2 hour video with 'just watch it' before, for similar effect).

we posted the position o' a harvard economist who claimed that if russia didn't take drastic measures, they were facing a currency collapse.

As I said: your argument shifted to It's all the Harvard Professor's fault! once it became obvious Russia wasn't going bankrupt and indeed, hasn't in 130+ months since. Point proven, methinks.

what you did were impugn the character o' people involved in reporting about ukraine in spite o' a paucity o' evidence or support.

lol, the poor unfortunate journalists, it's their eternal good fortune that Gromnir is on the case to defend them from vile calumny on the Obsidian forums. Of course, works a bit less well when you've just thrown a Harvard Professor under the bus to avoid admitting you were wrong. And when you've accused Trump's medical staff of effectively lying about his health to prop up your speculation about it.

(Journalists had been wrong about Russia imminently invading for just about every year since 2022- that's the evidence. You don't get much credit nor benefit of the doubt for being correct, on the sixth(?) attempt. Indeed, I posted a rather long list (with cites) of them doing so. I've also posted a rather long list, with cites, of articles claiming Russia would be bankrupt in x months in 2014 to show a pattern there, the usual yellowcake/ WMD laundering from 2003 when you claimed no one lied over the lead up to that war and rather a lot of others. They are the reason I've come to the conclusion doing so with you is pointless and a waste of time)

you are the one clown am not gonna ignore anytime soon

In the eternal words of the great philosopher Kylie Minogue Stock Aitken Waterman: I should be so lucky. Seems you're well, never gonna give me up.

One might wonder why you bothered saying it as an option then, if you were so adamant about not doing it.

eu finish negotiating trade deal with india soon after mercusor deal

obviously more out of desperation than any improvement of efficiency

but cornered animal can be most determine and resourceful version of themself

after last year of disappointment much more assurance are needed now

1 minute ago, Zoraptor said:

Nope.

yes you are.

gosh, that's ez.

the rest o' your response is just more o' your lies. will wait for new ones as revisiting your reflexive blixing is offering diminishing returns, but...

2 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

One might wonder why you bothered saying it as an option then, if you were so adamant about not doing it.

you didn't bother to read, eh? it were an "or" option. again proving how obtuse you are. am agreeing it is a best approach to ignore zor, but until am seeing you tone down the reflexive and habitual fibbing, am gonna call it out when we see it. no doubt won't be a long wait.

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ps fixed a curious edit faux pas

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

Fed holds key interest rate steady as economic view improves

am certain trump's response will be cogent and sober.

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

3 hours ago, Gromnir said:

you didn't bother to read, eh? it were an "or" option. again proving how obtuse you are.

hmm.

3 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

One might wonder why you bothered saying it as an option then, if you were so adamant about not doing it.

What do you know, I stated it was an option, in the post you quoted. Oh dear.

Really, really not beating the accusations of throwing anything at the screen with that little gem. That may not be obtuse- if we're generous- but it's certainly reflex and, well, not very acute.

3 hours ago, Gromnir said:

you didn't bother to read, eh? it were an "or" option. again proving how obtuse you are. am agreeing it is a best approach to ignore zor, but until am seeing you tone down the reflexive and habitual fibbing, am gonna call it out when we see it. no doubt won't be a long wait.

again, are you this thick? we did not just supply "an option," but multiple. how could you pretend as if we did not offer multiple options while explaining why ignore were best? you tacit recognize this fact but nevertheless question why we would mention the ignore possibility? 'cause it were indeed a choice, a choice between multiple options, an "or" kinda choice, and we specific answered your query o'

3 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

why you bothered saying it as an option then, if you were so adamant about not doing it.

with,

5 hours ago, Gromnir said:

you are the one clown am not gonna ignore anytime soon. even expressed our admitted wishful thinking that others begin verifying yourr source and fact checking when dealing with zor. why would we ignore you when you have provided us with multiple opportunities respond to and illuminate your misrepresentations since only the middle o' last year, and that is with us being in absentia for weeks and even a month at a time. we offered advice on how boardies should deal with you. ignore is indeed best, at least until you stop lying reflexive. converse, check all your claimed sources and experts. 

you can see it right... how we explained why we would offer it as an option before you asked the question.

dude.

how do you miss the "or" and the already supplied explanation for your question?

serious? gonna go this obtuse with the sophistry and word parsing, eh?

you cannot be this willful obtuse, although the fact this is the hill you want to fight on does serious undermine the sophistry complaints, no?

HA! Good Fun!

ps am honest reaching the turin horse point where we begin to feel guilt.

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

7 hours ago, Pidesco said:

This would be a good time for Guard Dog to visit the forums. Really curious to hear how he's reacting to current events.

I'd be a lot more curious if we hadn't already heard from him a handful of months ago and he was still pulling the old "it'd be just as bad under Kamala" nonsense...

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Against stupidity we have no defense. Neither protests nor force can touch it. Reasoning is of no use. Facts that contradict personal prejudices can simply be disbelieved - indeed, the fool can counter by criticizing them, and if they are undeniable, they can just be pushed aside as trivial exceptions. So the fool, as distinct from the scoundrel, is completely self-satisfied. In fact, they can easily become dangerous, as it does not take much to make them aggressive. For that reason, greater caution is called for than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.

1 hour ago, Bartimaeus said:

I'd be a lot more curious if we hadn't already heard from him a handful of months ago and he was still pulling the old "it'd be just as bad under Kamala" nonsense...

for gd to give up they are all bad is an admitted heavy ask. his entire political identity is premised on the notion you should abandon voting democrat or republican. choose trump to prevent biden from becoming President or choosing harris instead o' trump is a deal with the devil and the americans will never see anything better from our government as long as people keep making the same pointless mistake.

is a whole lotta self-described libertarians who feel as gd, and while we did not share his pov, we were sympathetic to it... up until muslim ban.

gd didn't vote for trump like the maga faithful who see him as their savior from dei and the scourge of illegal immigration. gd didn't vote for rfk jr 'cause o' vaccines. gd didn't vote trump like so many relative indifferent voters who nevertheless continue to view trump as a successful businessman who could lower the cost o' groceries. gd ain't like the democrats who lost faith in the biden administration 'cause o' gaza or perceived weakness on the environment and voted trump or third party in protest. gd voted other 'cause he was certain that democrat v. republican is a no-win option, but he failed to recognize just how much a guaranteed loss a trump victory would be. gd were voting as a matter o' principle, may God have mercy on his soul..

post jan 6, we realized that they are all bad is a religious belief and not a political position. is gonna take a road to damascus event to convince gd that lesser of two evils is anything other than surrendering to evil.

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2 hours ago, Bartimaeus said:

I'd be a lot more curious if we hadn't already heard from him a handful of months ago and he was still pulling the old "it'd be just as bad under Kamala" nonsense...

I'm aware it's highly likely that might be his position again, but I would still be curious to see his thought process, in the face of evidence in front of his eyes.

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Anyone planning on watching the Melania movie? It officially releases tomorrow. I wont be watching it

I feel sorry for her because its hard to imagine the movie doing well considering who she is married to and the current levels of anger towards Trump

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Fulton County, Georgia, officials say the FBI has seized original 2020 voting records while serving a search warrant at the county's Elections Hub and Operations Center.

Well this isn't concerning.

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