The All Things Political Topic - SNAFU edition

[Zoraptor]

Oh no, Trump didn't get the peace prize. How sad, I'm sure there will be no intemperate toy tossing from the big orange baby.

The Committee really is an absolute joke though. Not quite a Kissinger/ Obama tier pick, but we did for a brief and glorious period have Machado's well cited support for foreign armed intervention in Venezuela and the Nobel citation for 'peaceful transition' literally adjacent on her wikipedia page (before, inevitably, a power user came in and removed the former while Protecting the edit).

 

Edited Friday at 07:55 PM by Zoraptor

[uuuhhii]

seem like usa are really pushing that regime change at venezuela

 

[rjshae]

6 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Oh no, Trump didn't get the peace prize. How sad, I'm sure there will be no intemperate toy tossing from the big orange baby.

Apparently one reason he didn't win is that he campaigned for it so hard. 

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The Nobel Committee awards the Peace Prize to leaders who champion "arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democracy and human rights, and work aimed at creating a better organized and more peaceful world," according to its website.

Does that sound like Trump? Not really. Yes he has been involved in peace negotiation, while attacking unarmed boats in the caribbean. He certainly hasn't made the world better organized; quite the opposite. His efforts with regards to democracy and human rights have been sadly lacking. I'm not aware of any arms control efforts.

[HoonDing]

 

[Gorgon]

he's ****. 

[Malcador]

Sort of amusing the US has to save him despite how elections go.

[Gorth]

Honest Government ads take on New Zealand and its National Party (putting the 'n' back in cuts)

 

 

[Zoraptor]

May sound harsh to outsiders but actually far, far, far too kind to our current bunch of clowns.

[uuuhhii]

On 10/11/2025 at 3:54 AM, Zoraptor said:

Oh no, Trump didn't get the peace prize. How sad, I'm sure there will be no intemperate toy tossing from the big orange baby.

The Committee really is an absolute joke though. Not quite a Kissinger/ Obama tier pick, but we did for a brief and glorious period have Machado's well cited support for foreign armed intervention in Venezuela and the Nobel citation for 'peaceful transition' literally adjacent on her wikipedia page (before, inevitably, a power user came in and removed the former while Protecting the edit).

 

 

at least someone in that committee made a lot of money by gambling on the winner

absolutely joke but not absolutely useless

[rjshae]

Well whaddya ya know, DJT finally did something useful and of note. Not that I buy any of this "historic dawn of a new Middle East" messaging. This is just another interlude before the next conflict. The only question is, how long will the ceasefire last?

[uuuhhii]

lebanon are bombed after whatever ceasefire they signed

syria get bombed invaded and small part of it was occupied after a friendly regime was installed by coup

iran was stab in the back in the middle of negotiation

wouldn't take more than 1 week

2 days most likely

[BruceVC]

8 hours ago, rjshae said:

Well whaddya ya know, DJT finally did something useful and of note. Not that I buy any of this "historic dawn of a new Middle East" messaging. This is just another interlude before the next conflict. The only question is, how long will the ceasefire last?

Trumps peace deal for Gaza  has broad support in the region and globally 

We have been talking about how terrible this war has been for 2 years and no single country could have pulled off what the US has achieved because its the only country that has real influence over Israel and good relations with Arab countries that matter around Hamas influence like Qatar and Egypt 

The first few deliverables of the Trump plan  have been successfully implemented 

It could still collapse around things like how Gaza is governed going forward because Hamas wont be part of that and if Hamas is still around that will motivate Israel to continue its military campaign

Those points of the plan need to still be implemented

I dont see this  as a final solution to the Israeli vs Palestinian conflict because I firmly still believe only a 2 state solution can achieve that 

But its more about ending the latest war and that is definitely achievable 

 

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by BruceVC

[BruceVC]

7 hours ago, uuuhhii said:

lebanon are bombed after whatever ceasefire they signed

syria get bombed invaded and small part of it was occupied after a friendly regime was installed by coup

iran was stab in the back in the middle of negotiation

wouldn't take more than 1 week

2 days most likely

Nuclear holocaust or re-emergence of the black plague in the ME ....its going to happen !!!!

Either way the entire world is over because of the USA 

 

 

[rjshae]

9 hours ago, BruceVC said:

I dont see this  as a final solution to the Israeli vs Palestinian conflict because I firmly still believe only a 2 state solution can achieve that 

That's true for the US and Israel because of their humanitarian heritage; if Israel were instead a loyal Russian ally, then the solution would be to relocate the entire Palestinian population to Jordan. I.e. there's more than one solution, just only a single tolerable one for the West.

[Zoraptor]

Eh, Trump's original 'solution' was relocating all Gazans. Specifically so he entrepreneurs could build hotels along the foreshore. Like it or not you don't get any more US than its President, and you don't get any more 'West' than it either. 

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The president repeatedly doubled down on his suggestion that nearly 2 million Palestinians should be relocated from battle-leveled Gaza to new homes elsewhere so that the US could send troops to the Strip, take ownership and build the “Riviera of the Middle East.”

That that did not happen was mostly due to the resistance of the arabs and, unsurprisingly, no one wanting 2 million angry and permanent refugees. The Euros- with a few exceptions- were perfectly willing to throw every moral qualm and supposed principle out the window.

[Gorgon]

31 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

The Euros- with a few exceptions- were perfectly willing to throw every moral qualm and supposed principle out the window.

I wonder how things might have looked on that front if not for Ukraine. If you look at the polls the Spanish and the Irish are the most pro Palestinian in the EU, by huge margins. They are also the furthest away from Ukraine.

[uuuhhii]

just realize ireland are not part of nato

maybe uk can invade it again as distraction from internal problem

[Zoraptor]

Didn't take Israel very long to start abrogating the agreement. The Palestinians are meant to have 72 hours to return bodies (specref:part 4; and also the Hebrew text published in Israeli media), or give all the information they have on them and Israel is already refusing to open the Rafah crossing, halving the trucks allowed in and, quelle surprise, killing more civilians returning to their homes based on them not returning bodies.

"Israel Agrees To Go Back To Killing Palestinians On Less Frequent Basis" indeed.

4 hours ago, Gorgon said:

I wonder how things might have looked on that front if not for Ukraine. If you look at the polls the Spanish and the Irish are the most pro Palestinian in the EU, by huge margins. They are also the furthest away from Ukraine.

Don't think Ukraine made any difference to be honest. You'd have hoped, if Europe's 'ideals' were actually ideals, that a campaign of indiscriminate bombing, collective punishment, mass destruction of civilian infrastructure, mass detention, mass torture, systematic sexual violence as part of that torture and mass starvation would garner some sort of functionally negative response whoever was carrying it out. There's no reason to think it wouldn't have got crickets without Ukraine, and several reasons to think Ukraine should have actually galvanised a response from them if only to avoid embarrassment at the obvious double standard.

Id est: it was a highly embarrassing comparison having Ursula and Kaja (but notably, not Josep) burble on about the indiscriminate Russian bombing campaign in Ukraine while tacitly applauding/ being silent about Israel doing far worse in Gaza; or complaining about Putin and Lvova-Belova being accused genocide fugitives from justice who'd kidnapped (a few hundred, lest we forget) children while not even closing EU airspace to Netanyahu who'd outright killed far more than 10,000 Gazan children. It would have been far less embarrassing if they'd done the absolute bare minimum against Israel as well, but even that was too much. End result: there's yet another example of a double standard to be thrown in the faces of the Rules Based Order for the next 20 years.

Edited 5 hours ago by Zoraptor

[rjshae]

In the end, Trump will get his Mediterranean resort. Just you watch...