Ukraine Conflict - In the grim darkness of the near future, there is only war!

[Malcador]

They just need to call it "enhanced interrogation", and it'll be fine.

[Zoraptor]

9 hours ago, Elerond said:

Assassination of generals happens in every war

Yep, and personally I wouldn't call it terrorism either, despite the method. That does mean it isn't terrorism when Russia does it either though.

9 hours ago, Elerond said:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141417

That seems pretty standard, for war, and the complete lack of any statistics beyond an age range is telling. That always suggests the absolute number is low.

You'd have been better off quoting their most recent report about sexual mistreatment of POWs. Even then, the same thing is happening right now in Israel, and was very well documented as happening with the US as well. So there's an excellent case that's just par for the course for warfare but being highlighted here primarily because it's the bad guys doing it.

Most of the claims of rape being systemic still resolve down to one single Ukrainian official- who got sacked for lying too outrageously.

[BruceVC]

14 hours ago, Malcador said:

They just need to call it "enhanced interrogation", and it'll be fine.

Come on its Christmas and holiday  time 

You can  do  much better than that, playing the " look how bad the US is because of enhanced interrogation "   card  is so....so 2010ish 

 

I can appreciate  the appropriate use of whataboutism but this is not one of those times 

 

We talking about the reality of the long list of Russian war crimes   in Ukraine  and how some of the Russian military have been involved in rape and killing of civilians.

Lets stay on point 

 

 

 

[Malcador]

Was more thinking of the IDF, really, more than the bankrupt complaints on moral grounds from the US.  Hardly excusing Russia to point out that, but oh well.

They probably do refer to torture as that though, internally, sanitized language works well to reference Carlin.

 

https://kyivindependent.com/over-12-000-civilians-killed-in-ukraine-since-russias-full-scale-war-un-says/

~40k civilian casualties in 3 years. Still behind Gaza, hah. Although I think people say 100k died in Mariupol