Ukraine Conflict - In the grim darkness of the near future, there is only war!

[Malcador]

Zelensky still allergic to suits

[Malcador]

Trump is discreet as ever

[Mamoulian War]

16 hours ago, Malcador said:

Zelensky still allergic to suits

And Trump wearing suit in Ukrainian colors, few Russians and their trolls had a heartstroke after seeing this picture  

[Mamoulian War]

44 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Trump is discreet as ever

The details of 400k casualties (not KIA) from Zelenskyi’s speech.

“Zelensky: Since the start of the full-scale war, Ukraine has lost 43,000 soldiers killed in battle and provided assistance to 370,000 wounded. Around 50% of wounded soldiers return to duty. Russian casualties exceed 750,000, including 198,000 killed and over 550,000 wounded.”

[Mamoulian War]

On 12/3/2024 at 9:21 AM, Sarex said:

I still find it funny that people think it would be easy to fight a war against Russia. Even after Ukraine. I find the people wishing for it actively even more funny, when I'm 90% sure they would not volunteer once the mobilization starts.

Russia will implode to itself, before my service as a drone pilot would be needed during the mobilization though

[Sarex]

34 minutes ago, Mamoulian War said:

Russia will implode to itself, before my service as a drone pilot would be needed during the mobilization though

Not the propaganda center?

[Mamoulian War]

If you start to wonder for whatever reason, that Russia really cannot be so ****ed up country, as people say, you find this

 

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, Mamoulian War said:

If you start to wonder for whatever reason, that Russia really cannot be so ****ed up country, as people say, you find this

 

It never ceases to amaze me  how selective people throughput the world become when it comes to revisionist  history when it suits there ideological or political views 

[Malcador]

https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukraine-s-intelligence-neutralizes-russian-engineer-behind-kh-69-missiles-modernization-50473756.html#

Interesting that they were able to operate so deep.  Putting aside any ethical issues (as if Ukraine can do any wrong,haha)

[Mamoulian War]

Another war criminal met his demise in Moscow. One of the most influential Generals.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/12/17/7489424/

This time the guy responsible for supplying chemical weapons to Assad, and their usage in Ukraine. He was also responsible for nuclear forces of Russia. So whoever is behind it, saved the world from few weeks of nuclear blackmail rhetorics.

[Malcador]

He was in charge of their NBC Defence I think, not Strategic Forces.  Guess they'll keep this up after whatever ceasefire or peace is signed and hope they get the Blue Team buff where everything is ok.

Surprised Russia hasn't been assassinating people in Ukraine, guess the GRU isn't that good

[Zoraptor]

Russia has 100% been assassinating people in Ukraine, and outside- the guy who stole the helicopter and murdered his comrades who got popped in Spain in February for example. They (generally) haven't publicised it nor admitted it was them, and as with pretty much everything war related it's illegal for Ukrainians to report on those that happen internally without the approval of the Censor.

[uuuhhii]

assassination using disguised bomb are act of terror

guess the only thing can stop bad guy with bomb is good guy with bomb

[Malcador]

8 hours ago, uuuhhii said:

guess the only thing can stop bad guy with bomb is good guy with bomb

Don't give the NRA ideas

[Elerond]

11 hours ago, uuuhhii said:

assassination using disguised bomb are act of terror

guess the only thing can stop bad guy with bomb is good guy with bomb

This act of terror (I am not sure if it fits in definition, although it somewhat fits in FBI's state sponsored terrorism if we accept Russia saying that Ukraine is terrorist nation ) seem to be odd bit to get much of focus considering that countries involved are in all out war, where they shoot hundreds of cruise missiles to each other civilian and military infrastructure.  And hundreds some times thousand people die on fighting somewhere where they probably don't want to be. But then people get their sock twisted when one general  and his assistant commanding those troops and ordering those missile strikes get killed in strike that didn't even kill any civilians 

[uuuhhii]

20 minutes ago, Elerond said:

This act of terror (I am not sure if it fits in definition, although it somewhat fits in FBI's state sponsored terrorism if we accept Russia saying that Ukraine is terrorist nation ) seem to be odd bit to get much of focus considering that countries involved are in all out war, where they shoot hundreds of cruise missiles to each other civilian and military infrastructure.  And hundreds some times thousand people die on fighting somewhere where they probably don't want to be. But then people get their sock twisted when one general  and his assistant commanding those troops and ordering those missile strikes get killed in strike that didn't even kill any civilians 

 

act of terror make war worse just like those pager bomb make entire year of missle exchange worse

there isn't much to understand here

[Elerond]

9 minutes ago, uuuhhii said:

 

act of terror make war worse just like those pager bomb make entire year of missle exchange worse

there isn't much to understand here

You mean that raping and murdering civilians like happened in start of didn't make it already much worse?

[uuuhhii]

2 minutes ago, Elerond said:

You mean that raping and murdering civilians like happened in start of didn't make it already much worse?

 

it has been happening for 70 year and got much worse for 1 year

things can always be worse as long as one is alive

[Zoraptor]

1 hour ago, Elerond said:

(I am not sure if it fits in definition, although it somewhat fits in FBI's state sponsored terrorism if we accept Russia saying that Ukraine is terrorist nation )

The official USA position is rather too, uh, flexible to be of any use. Node #1, and thus by far the most important, in the flow diagram of actually determining whether something is 'terrorism' is "is the entity doing it friendly to us?" So this wouldn't be terrorism for the US, nor is Israel blowing up Iranian scientists or Lebanese medics who obtained pagers from HezB; but blowing up an Israeli or Ukrainian scientist would be, and AlQ blowing up a US military vessel (USS Cole) definitely is. If it's a friendly doing it (USS Liberty/ USS Stark) it's just a tragic mistake. State actors blowing up a civilian vessel also isn't always terrorism- see the Rainbow Warrior- nor is blowing up civilian infrastructure like nordstream.

Of course that's node #1 for basically every country's definition of terrorism. Russia blowing up the head of Ukraine's nuclear program wouldn't be terrorism to them, but almost certainly would to the US and Ukraine. Ukraine trying to blow up the Kerch Bridge is terrorism*; Russia trying to blow up the Zatoka Bridge isn't etc.

*for that the method most definitely crosses the threshold by any objective measure. Can't get much worse than using a civilian as an unwitting delivery mechanism. But even then node 1 applies for the vast majority in the west.

1 hour ago, Elerond said:

You mean that raping and murdering civilians like happened in start of didn't make it already much worse?

The difference is that that happens in every war, and the more realistic types tend to acknowledge that that is inherent human nature. Give some people guns and a feeling of impunity (or utter fright/ anger/ hatred) and that's the way they react. People like to pretend otherwise and that their side is just inherently more civilised, but the more realistic know there hasn't been a conflict in history where rape and murder doesn't happen. The 'terrorist' attacks are 'worse' because they're a lot more deliberative. Someone sat down to plan the Moscow attack, someone sat down to plan the pager attack- and knew that a lot of them had gone to Lebanese medics as well as HezB.

[Lexx]

I dunno man. I would probably differentiate between a rape case and sort of systemic rape (and murder). Obviously there will be a soldier who will rape (and murder) someone at some point. But if most of them do it, and it's kind of even expected, or at least not prohibited by their superiors, then... you know... it's not really the same in my opinion.

Edited Thursday at 11:25 PM by Lexx

[Zoraptor]

Well sure. IMO neither sides' conduct in Ukraine meets the threshold of being systemic though, for those two crimes.

 

[Elerond]

11 hours ago, uuuhhii said:

 

it has been happening for 70 year and got much worse for 1 year

things can always be worse as long as one is alive

But how this will anyway make things worse or increase hostilities? 

That weren't caused by killing 63 civilians fleeing war on railway station or killing over 20 people by blowing a shopping mall or blowing up a children hospital?

Generals are legitimate targets in a war so they will be targets of strikes 

[Elerond]

10 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

The difference is that that happens in every war

Assassination of generals happens in every war

[Elerond]

1 hour ago, Zoraptor said:

Well sure. IMO neither sides' conduct in Ukraine meets the threshold of being systemic though, for those two crimes.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141417

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Elerond said:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141417

Yes its well known and been reported on regularly the Russians systemic  practice of rape and killing of civilians 

Nothing new or surprising 

Edited Friday at 11:46 AM by BruceVC