Pure not as good? Multi class better?

[Moritsuna]

Hello, I have some experience from PoE 1 and decided to make a monk - but I heard some stories that after a patch pure monk is not as good anymore. Would it be better to do monk/rogue or monk/paladin?

 

 

Also, I do understand that they reach their power level later but do multiclass get locked out of tier 8 or 9 even with DLCs?

 

Thanks

[baldurs_gate_2]

Hello, I have some experience from PoE 1 and decided to make a monk - but I heard some stories that after a patch pure monk is not as good anymore. Would it be better to do monk/rogue or monk/paladin?

 

 

Also, I do understand that they reach their power level later but do multiclass get locked out of tier 8 or 9 even with DLCs?

 

Thanks

Well, i would say, pure Monk is still Tier 1 on Single Class. But a multiclass is most of the time better, because you have two pools with ressources to use and some powerlevel VIII and IX talents are just not good.

 

Monk is pretty good with goldpact paladin or bleak walker.

 

MC only reach PL VII at Level 19, no access to VIII and IX.

[Boeroer]

Single class characters not only reach PL 8 and 9 but also get all abilities (except from PL 1) a lot earlier.

 

Most abilities scale with Power Level. For example Flames of Devotion's base damage scales with Power Level. So a single class Paladin (who has more PL at the same level as let's say a Paladin/Chanter) does more damage per (pure) FoD use.

 

Monks are especially good as single class characters because their fists scale with Power Level as well. Also their high level abilities (PL 8 & 9) are really great.

 

I personally don't think that SC lacks power compared to Multiclass in general.

Edited September 27, 2018 by Boeroer

[Elric Galad]

Top Tier Single Class :

Wizard

Monk

 

Good Single Class :
​Priest
Druid

 

​Okay Single Class :
Cipher
​Chanter
​Barbarian

​Meh Single Class :
Fighter
​Rogue
Ranger
​Paladin

Edited September 28, 2018 by Elric Galad

[Hulk'O'Saurus]

^ is that in party play or solo?

[Boeroer]

Actually I find Ranger single class quite good. Whirling Strikes is not bad (try Amra with Bleeding Cuts).

 

Barb also. Especially with dual mortars single class Barbarian is a beast due to Heart of Fury. Counterintuitive, I know because it's ranged. But SC Barb Serafen with his dual mortars just annihilates mobs.

Edited September 28, 2018 by Boeroer

[Lampros]

Actually I find Ranger single class quite good.

 

Didn't Twinned Shots used to be a modal in PoE 1? I never played Ranger in PoE 1, so I cannot be definitive, but that's what I recall.

 

If so, then that makes a pure Ranger even less attractive for me.

[Boeroer]

Yes, but now it works for all ranged weapon (including guns) and it has no penalty. Bit of course PoE's version was more powerful.

 

I meant melee ranger in particular though.

[Hulk'O'Saurus]

Deadfire has a fair bit more procs per hit... so I reckon they thought they should change it so that it's not that broken in some cases... I mean the Twinned Shots.  

Edited September 28, 2018 by Hulk'O'Saurus

[Boeroer]

And introduced AoE procs per mortar, Blast and Citzal's Lance as well as WotEP and Wahaī Pōraga...

[Elric Galad]

The Single Classes above don't belong to the bad Tier, but to the meh Tier.

 

And they don't belong there because their abilities are bad but because their ressource pool is so low that they can't use them more than a couple of time.

I think the low ressource pool is a consensus.

I actually like ranger abilities. Twinned Shot is cool, Whirling Strikes is one of the best melee ability of the game (probably the best if Heart of Blunderbuss is not counted), the new Heart Seaker Shot is great too.

[Verde]

Top Tier Single Class :

Wizard

Monk

 

Good Single Class :

​Priest

Druid

 

​Okay Single Class :

Cipher

​Chanter

​Barbarian

 

​Meh Single Class :

Fighter

​Rogue

Ranger

​Paladin

I'm actually playing a single class Trickster now but I just started. Up to this pt I've been a big advocate for it being a top tier multi. We shall see...

[rheingold]

I'd say sc ranged ranger is good as well. Not like a wizard, but certainly good. Completely underrated class. Loads of great weapon options with plenty of crowd control or dps. Twinned shots is great. Only issue is pet probably needs more buffs for PoTD. But on any other difficulty they are actually very useful.

SC rogue and barbs are also good, and by the easiest ( most boring) playthroughs has been with a sc beckoner which I reckon comes close to wizard. Obviously nowhere near as flamboyant but so good, steady and easy. It's the only class I can start a high level fight, go make some coffee, read a book, and I know that there is no possibility that I lost the fight. Course a wizard would finish the fight waaay quicker, but that takes actual effort. So it chanter v wizard really depends on how you value efficiency (wizard) v amount of effort required (chanter).

Edited September 28, 2018 by rheingold

[Boeroer]

Sasha's Singing Scimitar + Empowered Eld Nary all day makes enemies weep.

[rheingold]

^^^ yeah it does, but I'm finding the weapon summoning invocation on a beckoner absolutely insane. Really all that is needed for a chanter. And sadly more effective than the dragons which are just unimpressive all around.

[Boeroer]

I meant generally for Chanter. Since empowering summons doesn't do much.

[Elric Galad]

I meant generally for Chanter. Since empowering summons doesn't do much.

 

There's a compromise : use the other upgrade of the scimitar (complete refund of phrase cost).

 

Then you can cast empowered eld nary at the beginning and then use the weapon summoning invocation.

 

Sure, you won't be able to do it each fight since you don't refund the empower point but you can still do it when it matters.

So if we're speaking about raw power for a Single Class Chanter, that's probably the best solution 

Sure it is a bit less fun for common fights.

 

 

Oh well, I'm whining a lot but what I'm really thinking is that the game is quite close from "perfect enough" Class Balance.

Which is really impressive considering Obsidian had to cope with Multiclass balancing. 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Elric Galad