Nvidia RTX Series

[Sarex]

6 minutes ago, Bartimaeus said:

Yeah, if I was doing anything that needed or really even encouraged me to upgrade, I'd probably find the motivation to do so. But gaming isn't really a major hobby for me anymore (and hasn't been for maybe seven years now), and even when I am inclined, it's by and large either retro-styled or straight up emulated crap that doesn't need it, so...

Same deal for me, although I have much more free time on my hands so I still try to enjoy some games. Which is a sad affair as I spend a lot of time watching other people play games after work, well that and youtube. The younger me would be pretty mad I think...

Edited January 4, 2023 by Sarex
After work...pff who am I kidding...it's ussualy running in the background.

[majestic]

Interesting take by Der8auer. The 4070 Ti has an MSRP of 899€ for the EU. If it actually comes to market at that price, it will - depending on the games and the resolution you play at - give you performance between a 3080 Ti and a 3090 Ti, at 1080p more than a 3090 Ti, most of the time, with the largest performance deficiencies in 4K (where it drops to 3080 levels in some games, see the GN video).

Assuming the 4070 Ti hits the market at 899€ or only slightly above that, as the other 40 series cards, at least for Central Europe (Germany), it is much better value than current 3080/3090 Tis that go in a price range from 1600€ to 2000 Euro. It is less than 30% more expensive than current 3070 Ti stock, giving it a nice generational uplift, and if you set the card to 70% power target it loses 10% performance but the power draw drops to 170w while playing.

Zero chance of the card only costing 899€ though, so that's all theoretical.

Still not paying 899€ for a card.

Edited January 4, 2023 by majestic

[LadyCrimson]

Steve's (and other YT'ers) ever growing frustration/anger/befuddlement has been quite entertaining. 

I think I'll want to buy at least one more gpu/pc in the next 3-7years, but after that I may never build another PC. I honestly use my tablet for net browsing 98% of the time now, there's firestick or other options for streaming tv services (so I don't even use a PC for that these days), and I rarely game more than 8-12 hrs a month anymore (vs. addiction, haha). More and more often it's zero hours. I'm reaching a different stage of my life or whatever you want to call it, at a good time, I guess.

Edited January 4, 2023 by LadyCrimson

[majestic]

18 hours ago, majestic said:

Still not paying 899€ for a card.

Well:

Okay Amazon.  

[majestic]

So, launch day prices for the RTX 4070 Ti in Central Yurop €-land: 900€ for the cheapest, the same asking price as the RTX 3080, 15 to 20% cheaper than any available 7900 XT and a whole lot cheaper (like 45% cheaper) than any available RTX 3080 Ti and never mind the 3090 Tis, which are still being sold for prices similar to the RTX 4090. RTX 3070 Tis are 750€ right now.

On 1/4/2023 at 10:02 PM, LadyCrimson said:

Steve's (and other YT'ers) ever growing frustration/anger/befuddlement has been quite entertaining. 

It sure is, but it is predicated on the US pricing reality that simply does not exist for us commies, as such I can only watch and be slightly amused by the exasperation. As per curent pricing, given the performance and efficiency of the RTX 4070 Ti, it's currently the best value card on the market. It's ridiculous.

[Keyrock]

Ultimately it comes down to meeting your goals. What are your goals? Is it 1440p max settings? Is it 4K max settings with RT? Is it 1080p with medium-ish settings? Then the next question is does your current setup meet those goals? If no, then get the cheapest parts that will meet said goal. There's something to be said for future-proofing, but how far into the future are we talking? Game developers tend to design games with the lowest common denominator in mind, which is the MSony consoles in most cases. We are relatively early in the current console cycle and I have doubts we'll see mid cycle upgraded models like last time around. With that in mind, I don't see games making any giant leap in requirements for at least 4 years, generally speaking. There will, of course, be outliers.

[Bartimaeus]

4 hours ago, majestic said:

It sure is, but it is predicated on the US pricing reality that simply does not exist for us commies, as such I can only watch and be slightly amused by the exasperation. As per curent pricing, given the performance and efficiency of the RTX 4070 Ti, it's currently the best value card on the market. It's ridiculous.

Socialist safety nets, or cheaper video cards? It's your choice.

[majestic]

1 minute ago, Bartimaeus said:

Socialist safety nets, or cheaper video cards? It's your choice.

It was both in the past. Actually... in the not so distant past.

4 hours ago, Keyrock said:

Ultimately it comes down to meeting your goals. What are your goals? Is it 1440p max settings? Is it 4K max settings with RT? Is it 1080p with medium-ish settings? Then the next question is does your current setup meet those goals? If no, then get the cheapest parts that will meet said goal. There's something to be said for future-proofing, but how far into the future are we talking? Game developers tend to design games with the lowest common denominator in mind, which is the MSony consoles in most cases. We are relatively early in the current console cycle and I have doubts we'll see mid cycle upgraded models like last time around. With that in mind, I don't see games making any giant leap in requirements for at least 4 years, generally speaking. There will, of course, be outliers.

Currently, I only play at 1080p and the RTX 3060 that I currently have is plenty for that, even on the highest settings. It was pretty much the only reasonably priced card available to buy at the time when I ordered the computer, and I thought about upgrading it relatively soon, but unless my screen does and I replace it with something with a higher resolution I'm likely skipping this gen, unless nVidia stops pricing their cards in a way that is supposed to clear leftover 30ies stock first.

Guess that's not going to be any time soon.

[Sarex]

Maaaan, Pathfinder WotR is dipping below 30 fps in open areas with rainy weather. I've actually been looking at those 4070ti's, but spending 965 to 1110eur is so unappealing...

[majestic]

46 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Maaaan, Pathfinder WotR is dipping below 30 fps in open areas with rainy weather. I've actually been looking at those 4070ti's, but spending 965 to 1110eur is so unappealing...

I also realized that my RTX 3060 is obviously only connected with one 8 pin power cable. I'd have to fiddle out another 8-pin cable from the cable management tray for the RTX 4070 Ti, and now we're instantly no longer in the realm of "do I really want to pay X money for a GPU?" and in the realm of "how I do overcome that impossible to deal with revulsion at the thought of installing the card?" - a place I was in after I bought a GTX 970 back in, uhm, 2014 or so.

I had that card for three months before I managed to conjure up the will to install it. I bought it to be able to better play Dragon Age: Inquisition, I game I had finished and no longer had any desire to play by the time.

[Sarex]

56 minutes ago, majestic said:

I bought it to be able to better play Dragon Age: Inquisition, I game I had finished and no longer had any desire to play by the time.

Of all the games...

Also you made me take another look at my PSU, would need to find where the other cable is...

edit: it's in the back of my case...

edit: it has 3 plugs!

Edited January 8, 2023 by Sarex

[majestic]

So, a YouTube channel I made the mistake of watching a video or two of (it happens) just announced that laptops with Ada Lovelace are basically dead on arrival because "European manufacturer XMG" confirmed to him that their RTX 4090 based laptops will cost over 4000€, and nobody's going to buy them in this market.

Perhaps, but it betrays a certain lack of knowledge. XMG is a premium manufacturer where you get built to order computers (it's where I got mine). They only let you select from a handful of carefully picked components, and there's no compromise on quality (except perhaps on desktop AIB cards where they generally allow you to pick whatever is available at the moment, but that was not always the case), their products are assembled to order (each of them has a two to three weeks delivery time if components are readily available at the time of ordering) and go through rigorous QC (tested twice by different employees), and they come with a three year warranty for desktops and a two year warranty for laptops, and if indeed something goes wrong, then they offer top notch service.

In other words, whoever wants an XMG notebook with an RTX 4090 in it will pay that premium because they want to. That might just be a very small, select clientel, but that's their business model. Heck, they offer calibrated 4K IPS 100% AdobeRGB LCD panels in some configurations, that panel alone costs more than some lower end laptops as a whole.  

Of course, tech companies are in for reduced revenue, and Nvidia's pricing is by far and large to dump existing Ampere stock, which by all accounts works pretty well, and it is entirely possible that nobody's going to buy mass manufactured notebooks with 40-series GPUs, but basing an estimation of future sales for products that aren't even available yet on what amounts to premium, assembled-to-order notebook models is perhaps not the best of ideas.

By the way, their website offers a decent clue as to why RTX 4070 Tis are selling pretty well in Central Yurop, in case you've seen the tweet from one of the German retailers and wondered what the hell is going on:

Pick a system that comes with an RTX 3080 as base configuration and make it cheaper by adding a faster and more power efficient card? Gee, makes you wonder how that happens that such cards sell well. You'd have to be one ginormous dunderhead to order a 3080.

[Keyrock]

5 hours ago, majestic said:

You'd have to be one ginormous dunderhead to order a 3080.

I think it was P.T. Barnum that said "there's a dunderhead born every minute." 

[Bokishi]

2080ti vs dual 4090s

[Bokishi]

Lol the 4090ti be looking pretty thicc, wtf

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidias-quad-slot-geforce-rtx-4090ti-titan-800w-graphics-card-has-been-pictured

[Keyrock]

On 1/31/2023 at 10:42 AM, Bokishi said:

Lol the 4090ti be looking pretty thicc, wtf

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidias-quad-slot-geforce-rtx-4090ti-titan-800w-graphics-card-has-been-pictured

Assuming this is accurate, I shudder to think about the price tag. With DLSS this might actually be the first viable 8K card, albeit 8K with compromises aplenty. I have no interest in 8K for the foreseeable future and I can already do 4K comfortably so I'll pass.

[LadyCrimson]

I bet it'll have a MSRP of ... $2499.  I suppose it might be $1999 but I wouldn't cross my fingers on it.

Well, at the least this is promising in terms of that whenever I maybe build totally new, whatever it is by then would be enough to last until I die or physically can't game anymore or whatever. And it'll probably only cost me $6k by then! For the GPU....

*does a little cheer for Intel to keep improving their lower range gpu's, instead*

[majestic]

Just for the fun of it, because they can be (pre)ordered now. Behold the XMG NEO 17:

So, what sort of prices are we looking at? Uhm... with...

• Intel Core i9-13900HX
• nVidia RTX 4090 Laptop 16GB
• 64 GB SK Hynix 5600 DDR5 (comes with a buyback option for the upcoming 6400 MT DDR5 once they pass validation and QC checks)
• 17" IPS 99% sRGB WQXGA panel
• 4 TB M.2 Corsair MP600 PRO NH
• Mechanical Cherry MX keyboard
• XMG OASIS Rev. 3 portable AIO water cooling system
• 2 year warranty

So, anyone here with some leftover money who wants to buy me a new laptop?

[Pidesco]

How does a mechanical keyboard work inside a laptop? Those keys look pretty flat to me. Also, water cooling? Lol.

[majestic]

1 hour ago, Pidesco said:

How does a mechanical keyboard work inside a laptop? Those keys look pretty flat to me. Also, water cooling? Lol.

Buy one and find out! Pretty sure that's just the regular keyboard though, the mechanical one is an upgrade option. 

The XMG NEO is also available with regular air cooling, but you can bet that both the CPU and the GPU will start throttling down the moment you turn it on. Complete waste of hardware and money. Arguably either way, but more so with air cooling.

[LadyCrimson]

They make low profile Cherry switches these days. Plus I would guess that laptop's much thicker/higher back-end (vs. more common gaming laptops being more evenly bottomed), while needed for built-in mega cooling and other reasons I assume, could have a side benefit re: helping with a low-profile KB appearance.

Llike this low profile Cherry KB on Amazon is less than an inch high. Maybe for laptops they've made them even shorter now.
Edit: I might like one of those, except I tend to hover/rest hands lightly on the KB a lot, and user comments make it sound a little too sensitive for that.  

Edited February 4, 2023 by LadyCrimson

[Keyrock]

@LadyCrimsonI assume they make them in all varieties, including my beloved Cherry MX Brown with the nice soft tactile bump but no clicky clicky sound.

[LadyCrimson]

48 minutes ago, Keyrock said:

@LadyCrimsonI assume they make them in all varieties, including my beloved Cherry MX Brown with the nice soft tactile bump but no clicky clicky sound.

I'm not sure. Everything I've seen focuses on Cherry MX Red/linear, at least from that company. I haven't seen anything else ever mentioned.

Other companies do have their own low profile brown/blue and tactile/clicky options.

[majestic]

On 1/4/2023 at 9:45 PM, majestic said:

Still not paying 899€ for a card.

Good thing I only almost lied, as I just ordered a Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Trinity on Jeff Bezos' money making and labour exploitation vehicle for a bunch under the nVidia MSRP. Not looking forward to fiddling one more cable into my PSU, but I'll manage. Somehow.

[Sarex]

16 minutes ago, majestic said:

Good thing I only almost lied, as I just ordered a Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Trinity on Jeff Bezos' money making and labour exploitation vehicle for a bunch under the nVidia MSRP. Not looking forward to fiddling one more cable into my PSU, but I'll manage. Somehow.

Lucky bastard...