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'course the obvious solution is to find somebody named subaru to run for President. HA! Good Fun! ps edit due to dyslexia... to is v. is to

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keep in mind hazmat suits alone wouldn't accomplish the desired results. you also need a separate decontamination area for getting into and outta the suits as well as proper training for how to get in and out o' suits and the correct way to decontaminate. or, you could just follow simple guidelines including but not limited to handwashing and not going to work when sick... which would prevent the vast majority o' disease spread. all o' which ignores fact the query were never genuine and were just an excuse to indulge in predictable absurdism. real solution is to post something with math or direct to an outside source. he will repeat the same silly query a few times but just add another link or more math. HA! Good Fun!

keep in mind gd would say is fine and good to help others, but for Them and They to compel you to help others is just the next small step leading to (insert third reich iconography here). the government, recognizing its inevitable and undeniable need to grab more power unto itself, is a far greater threat than any disease. yeah, they would claim that pandemic mandates are temporary and limited, but (add slippery slope/no compromise silliness here). HA! Good Fun!

have made these same points with gd in the past. he doesn't listen and doesn't care. his notions o' personal responsibility is all inverted and backwards. somehow, the maskless idiot you cannot always avoid is your responsibility to avoid. what recourse does the bus driver have in avoiding the maskless idiot who nevertheless wants to use public transportation... or any o' the other passengers who sudden look up from their phones and realize maskless idiot is in their midst in a confined area? gd doesn't care, 'cause presumptive, government action is excessive or somesuch. they are always out to get you and here you are inviting them into your place of business to haul away americans doing naught wrong save possible spreading a highly infectious disease. have pointed out how 'cause o' the degrees o' separation problem, personal responsibility is impossible to divine. the maskless idiot in the store might infect a woman who nevertheless remains complete asymptomatic, and in spite o' the woman being to all outward appearances healthy and hale and responsible with social distancing, she infects a family member who also is asymptomatic... and so on and so forth. contact tracing for covid is a nightmare and if maskless idiot ends up sending somebody's grandma (with the new delta variant, all too often much younger individuals is needing medical aid to survive) to the hospital six steps removed from his store venture, is likely we will never make the connection and maskless idiot can never be held personal responsible for the damage he caused. masks is hardly perfect and is nowhere near as effective as is genuine social distancing. masks is also an extreme minor inconvenience and the same folks who reflexive understand they gotta put on a shirt and shoes before entering most stores somehow have their liberty reflex trigger 'cause o' a mask during a pandemic. the wacky part is gd is ok with the guidelines and thinks they is reasonable, but any government enforcement o' such reasonable guidelines is abhorrent? if the maskless idiot refuses to leave a store or place o' business, we may all just abandon the venue and stay away from him until he finally decides to leave. 'cause, personal responsibility. don't try and make sense o' it. is an ideologue thing. HA! Good Fun!

john mccain would be proud. a couple months ago a military commission/judge had ruled it is ok to use evidence acquired via torture in pretrial proceedings under certain circumstances but the biden administration is refusing to use the tainted evidence. we had difficulty finding fault with judge acosta's decision, but we kinda felt sickened by it even so. the ruling were o' interest to only a handful o' people not intimate involved in military jurisprudence and when judge acosta delivered his opinion on 18 may 2021, we saw virtual zero coverage from mainstream media. as such there were no heat on the biden administration to do anything other than accept the judge's ruling. thought the story were over. am relived we were wrong. the biden administration did the right thing. good on them. HA! Good Fun!

bunker troll vol has brought up nazis multiple times in the last few pages when criticizing the actions taken by US government and you were making such observations as you defended your criticism o' government covid actions. those observations were of course random and had nothing to do with your criticism o' US excesses of authority? serious? you were making a comparison. the comparison were noted. (edit: the earlier hitler comparison were 'bout saying anything positive re cuba. nevertheless, is a very vol tactic) and no, the US doesn't have the authority to forcibly sterilize people as even when it were embraced by the Court, it were done so as a function o' police power, which as you well know is reserved to the states. in fact, in 2015 (2016?) the US senate voted (unanimous) to support victims of forced sterilization with government assistance. the most recent state example? hmmm. california department of corrections was accused of sterilizing women as recent as 2010, but the Courts did not uphold such sterilizations as legal. what were being done in ca had been functional illegal since 1964 but explicit prohibited since 1979. the defense o' the corrections system weren't buck v. bell, but rather ignorance, those monsters genuine claimed they had no idea the law had changed and thought they were doing legal operations w/o the consent o' those custodial wards o' the state (i.e. women prisoners). states might argue based on buck v. bell that such a power to sterilize exists, even though current all states now have prohibitions on such, but it is unlikely to hold up in court. is a bit like when the trump administration tried to use korematsu as support for their initial muslim ban executive orders. you are gonna need work very hard to find any lawyer or judge who disagrees with the observation buck v bell is bad law, but there just hasn't been a specific case to overrule it which has made it to SCOTUS. HA! Good Fun! ps (edit) https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/documentaries/belly-of-the-beast/ saw this after posting. is 'bout the forced sterilizations in ca women prisons which were happening relative recent. but again, such sterilizations were not being done with legit government authority. nevertheless, am suspecting more than a few would be shocked to learn how recent such evils has happened. have not viewed, so we cannot say anything as to quality. pps also, there has been recent accusations o' women being sterilized while in ice facilities during obama and trump years, but again, nobody is actual arguing that if such sterilizations occurred w/o consent, they would be anything but illegal and thus not with government authority.

nice late edit... and 'course you once again bring up the nazis in true volish fashion. am gonna start considering the possibility o' a dopple if this keeps up with you self contradicting and resorting to nazi comparisons. add a lolz or two and am thinking the concerns is cemented. regardless, am gonna need be more specific with your example. as we noted earlier, you once again bumfuzzled a claim with your private land fishing complaint regarding covid. regardless, if the argument is that all government authority is tainted 'cause o' extreme exceptions, am gonna write this off as a predictable gd auto fail. btw, Gromnir has mentioned buck v. bell more than once on these boards. widely criticized but has never been specific overturned, but you are gonna need show the receipts. vague accusation, particular from you, is less than convincing. you tend to grasp bits from memory and all too often get important details jumbled in the process. that said, there were indian reservation doctors doing sterilizations far too recent for anybody save proud boys and stephen miller to support. for the nonce, all we see here is gd doing the marjorie taylor green silliness where she compares common sense covid restrictions to nazi extremes. vol ii? mini-vol? bunker troll vol? am kinda liking the last one. HA! Good Fun!

the mi example is the one we mention. multiple people, not family members, on a boat. and you is well aware the government has the authority to mandate mask wearing... thank goodness. if government couldn't mandate something so trivial, there would be little government could accomplish. you know very well state and local government has authority to mandate mask wearing, but you don't believe they should. huge difference, and your curious discrimination 'tween what government should do is just plain weird. you want government protecting your property, but protecting your life is a bridge too far. and for those somehow still confused 'bout masks: https://www.facebook.com/NOVApbs/videos/how-well-do-masks-work-to-stop-covid-19-schlieren-imaging-in-slow-motion/266023854703043/ that said, social distancing is best and a damp cloth/bandana pressed up against your face likely increases your chance o' getting covid. HA! Good Fun!

am unsure what is the confusion. the point o' the masks is to reduce the amount o' expressed droplets and the distance those droplets ordinary travel when an infected person exhales. HA! Good Fun!

desantis is popular 'cause he is resisting the authoritarianism of police state democrats. fauci is a wolf in sheep's clothing and just the most visible tool o' the lock down/shut down tribe o' liberals who want to squeeze southerners to financial death in the name o' keeping people safe from an overstated pandemic which is really just old people dying o' pneumonia and heart failure while the cdc cooks the numbers. etc. sweary warning: the no compromise americans and trump turned a pandemic into a freaking political issue where americans who see the linked video is almost equal divided 'bout who is the bad guy. HA! Good Fun!

am similar not intending on playing 'til more than a couple o' these bugs is addressed. is actual kinda amazing just how bad this build is busted with so little time remaining 'til september. HA! Good Fun!

+600k f'ing dead in part 'cause no compromise nutters couldn't follow common sense social distancing guidelines. did a few politicians who passed mask and social distancing mandates violate their own guidelines? yeah. technical most found ways to skirt actual violation. a govenor goes and has a group dinner in a county which allowed restaurants to remain open and have more than X number o' customers might technical not be a violation o' the state mandates the governor advocated for and passed, but it looked bad, which is why the liberal media blasted those guys for their hypocrisy. so what? is the individual hypocrisy o' a few politicians making so that the guidelines as a whole were more representative o' a police state? police state? serious? the only thing close to the fishing example you gave we found were where multiple people, not family members, were sharing the same boat and w/i a few feet of each other while fishing. regardless, minor citations is not gonna be your best examples o' police state excess... unless it is part o' your insane no compromiser narrative which ignores the freaking fact we had a pandemic occur with hundreds o' thousands o' people dying unnecessarily 'cause one portion o' the citizenry were believing that common sense efforts to slow the spread o' a deadly disease was just the first step ... and next they would be coming for your guns. some people were gonna be hurt financial by the pandemic. those damned police state democrats in washington kept trying to pass legislation which would allow states to close close businesses and subsidize those closed businesses for the short period o' time needed. look at places around the globe which actual followed shutdown guidelines. woulda' been brief and relative painless if not for our President, his loyalists in Congress and in state capitols, and the excessive number o' no compromise clowns who refused to recognize that those pictures o' freezer trucks and body bags outside US hospitals was not a media hoax. +600k dead, and even birx has said beyond the first 100k the deaths were complete unnecessary. unfortunate, too many americans saw any effort to combat the pandemic as some kinda rough beast slouching towards bethlehem, each bit o' mask advice from the cdc a step towards authoritarianism by They and Them. add a President helping conflate the pandemic and gun ownership and we ended up with @Guard Dog, and thousands like him. +600k dead 'cause some folks were obstinate to the point o' self harm and literal too stoopid to live. is many other countries who managed covid far better than the US and the reasons is two fold: 1) President Mc Coup 2) no compromise americans being no compromise americans 'cause next, they would be coming for your guns. and oh so tragic predictable. fools and madmen. +600k dead. ps if you agreed the mask advice were reasonable, you shouldn't have used as one o' your examples o' contradictory

bs the best advice, from the start, were voluntary social distancing, but when it became obvious americans (particular the obtuse, no compromise folks) were not willing to do so, masking and shutdowns became the alternatives. and yes, at the start, and in part 'cause the complete unnecessary shortage o' masks, we were indeed told it were pointless to wear a mask when asymptomatic spread was not understood. from start we were all told masks did almost zero to prevent a person from becoming infected with covid, and that observation has not changed. back in march o' 2020, wearing masks appeared kinda pointless for almost the entire population. unfortunate, lack o' social distancing by americans and new data 'bout asymptomatic spread changed the masking suggestions... as it should. when data and facts changed, so too did advice. just one example. the alt-right radio l00ns complaining 'bout conflicting mask info is just... bs. am calling bs. dear lord. more hyperbolic bs. gd is doing his best to channel marjorie taylor greene. whatever. hopeless. not funny.

you are overstating. when coal gas ovens were no longer an option for committing suicide, the suicide rates in the US and UK dropped precipitous, and those rates has never returned to previous levels. assume removal o' a modality will resort in people moving on to the next most convenient option is a mistake. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/563424-psaki-criticizes-loaded-and-inaccurate-vaccine-misinformation before doocy made an arse o' himself assuming stuff into existence, an independent and not government study showed how a relative small number o' sources is producing the bulk o' the misinformation on social media. 'course the study ignored folks such as doocy. point is, the sources o' misinformation is not as ubiquitous as bruce suggests. is kinda shocking how much damage is being done by what amounts to a bit more than a double- handful o' sources. but yeah, is not just a facebook thing (never suggested such, so strawman away on that one) which is part o' why am not in favor o' government regulation. fb "contributes" to the problem, and so does twitter and so does fox news and whichever conservative radio personalities has filled the rush void. where does the regulation with good intentions end? 'course the bigger issue is it is too late to fix the problem by demanding truth. the people who believe the government conspiracy which is covid and vaccines is not gonna give up their stoopid if the government steps in and tomorrow silences facebook and twitter and tucker carlson when they offer manifest untrue info. the opposite from the intended result is likely as censorship is gonna be seen as validation that gd's they is really out to get conservatives. too late. HA! Good Fun!

it's hardly scapegoating. +99% of the people current being hospitalized and/or dying of covid in the US is unvaccinated. antivaxers, pre 2016, were limited to a segment o' the minority population and liberal women/mothers particular in a few geographical strongholds which tragic led to publicized measles outbreaks and the like. what changed? instead o' hippie moms, why is now white and male conservatives, who if you use a venn diagram has considerable overlap with those who believe the 2020 election were stolen, is now making up the bulk o' those espousing vaccine hesitancy? why did so many male conservatives sudden become vaccine hesitant when for years they thought immunization were fine and good? at this time last year, people in the US were dying of covid. this year people are dying unnecessarily o' covid. +99% bruce. in a few days, the rate o' vaccination in canada is gonna eclipse US numbers, in spite o' fact that today near anybody in the united states over a certain age and not immuno-suppressed is eligible to get a free covid vaccination. again, +99% o' those dying and/or facing hospitalization due to covid in the US is unvaccinated. the misinformation is literal killing people, and the longer this continues, the chances o' variants increase which put everybody, even the vaccinated, at risk o' a repeat o' 2020. am glad Gromnir don't have some kinda special authority to shutdown social media platform disinformation. we don't have responsibility so is easier for us to make observations 'bout long-term impact o' government interference with the internet. we don't have the spectres o' unnecessary dead weighing on our conscience. not scapegoating. not even close. HA! Good Fun!

am thinking you are looking at this wrong. often there is no good solution, and even if there is, all too often the precedent set today breaks things in unanticipated ways in the future. from our pov, the right question is as follows: who do you want making those necessarily imperfect choices 'bout what should be allowed on an internet platform? Gromnir and @Guard Dog do not trust the government with such regulation. gonna suggest bruce indulges a read Fahrenheit 451. get enough o' the right registered voters complaining 'bout the threat of antivaxers or muslims and all kinda limits may be designed to protect society from those threats. "enough" doesn't even need be a majority in the US system. do you trust facebook or individuals to make the right calls on such issues? if so, you are, from our pov, naïve to the point o' self crippling. again, am recognizing there is no good or even best solution, but am much concerned what happens if we put the hard choices 'bout liberties up for a vote. let biden, corporations and consumers put pressure on facebook. if people are able to shame facebook into changing policies, how is that any different than civil rights groups putting pressure on coca cola during the 50s and 60s? regardless, we don't trust US Presidents to consistent make the right call and those representatives o' our fickle democracy constitute the biggest threats to our liberties. HA! Good Fun!

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biden saying mean things 'bout facebook don't count as a first amendment violation, and suggesting the proliferation o' misinformation regarding the vaccine on social media platforms is contributing to the deaths of americans is hardly a controversial position at this stage. whatever. is amusing, but the only reason why facebook can play the role o' pontius pilate and claim it has no responsibility for that which is published using their resources is 'cause o' Congress and not the first amendment. Congress could, if it so desired, remove the immunity from litigation facebook enjoys regarding material third parties publish using their platform and doing so would not violate the first amendment. however, that act by Congress would most certain severe undermine the free exchange o' ideas via the internet. biden is pointing out the obvious and letting facebook and other maintainers o' internet platforms decide what to do 'bout it. is not a free speech issue. is a balancing quandary for facebook and others, but is not freedom o' speech from any legal sense. how much liberty to post dangerous mistruths is ok? ain't the government deciding but facebook, so is no government censorship issue. is a question o' responsibility and facebook is clear motivated by mercenary concerns as 'posed to the well being o' the american people... which doesn't necessarily make their relative hands off policy wrong. facebook has not attracted new users for a few years and as such they is desperate to keep their current pigeons fat and satisfied. increase moderation and their birds will fly away to other venues. refusal to moderate more aggressive is based on facebook's bottom line as 'posed to some kinda sense o' civic duty, but so what? Congress were not wrong when they first granted groups such as facebook immunity from civil suits. increase the responsibility o' folks such as facebook (or obsidian maintain this message board) means the free flow o' ideas would be diminished to some uncertain but no doubt significant degree. regardless, biden saying mean and true things 'bout facebook is not a free speech issue. HA! Good Fun! ps as we has said in the past, all liberties has a body count, whether you wanna admit it or not.

... germans will ruin everything if you give 'em a chance. take a sea shanty and make it sound like they is 'bout to invade __________, and they is gonna enjoy doing it. shouldn't be a surprise at this point. charlie don't surf HA! Good Fun!

the problem is we got a good bs detector. just a couple examples, but ask self, where is true neutral or sharp_one? we confronted 'em 'bout their s'posed jokes, and they got angry. clear their jokes were more serious than claimed or they wouldn't have had their little apoplectic events. fact gd says he is joking 'bout they are all bad, then defending that very same point in multi-page threads over and over again is not a particular strong defense that he is joking, yes? sure, he finds funny that the right or the left doesn't realize like he does that they are all corrupt, but he is in fact quite serious 'bout the point that they is all bad. bruce ain't been paying attention. and no, we don't take lcrimson serious. am self aware enough not to make rocket's mistake. HA! Good Fun! ps added the movie clip to keep relevant to the thread.

saw the first three episodes of we are lady parts. am not usual a fan o' the english brand o' humor (with a few notable exceptions) which depends excessive on physical gags and finding creative ways to string together an improbable succession o' increasingly embarrassing moments for the protagonists. even so, we did smile frequent and laughed more than once. it's... fun. HA! Good Fun!

you are as bad as gd. that said, rest assured, we do not take you serious, if that were a genuine concern. at times bemused? definite. serious? anything but. HA! Good Fun!

major bug: if you save and then load on a map, non party npcs on the map in question may from that point forward be rendered incapable o' dialogue interaction. complete exit the game and reload does not fix. this is a quest killer bug and as such am setting the wotr beta aside for the moment. HA! Good Fun!

sounds like an added bonus, depending on the President at the time. not sure who takes the snake plissken role. is simple no possible replacement for maggie, cabbie or brian hellman. ... am embarrassed to admit that when @Malcador made the nuke suggestion, for a deranged moment we wondered what time o' year would be most advantageous for florida's prevailing winds to avoid unnecessary fallout for the rest o' the continental united states. HA! Good Fun!