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them: if you would just be reasonable and realize the pandemic is 90% hysteria and 10% disease, we would already be back to experiencing pre-pandemic normalcy. ... is such a massive disconnect, and to think the disconnect were artificial and intentional is the real tragedy. pre-pandemic we had a hardened group o' antivaxxers, but they were few in number. then the pandemic hits and politicians begin conflating mitigation efforts with liberty and second amendment issues. keep in mind, the extent of the antivaxx response were not an obvious response even back in mid 2020 "them" thinks shady is buying into yet another liberal-democrat hoax invented to distract from real problems. your preoccupation with the pandemic is just another example of trump derangement syndrome, but is only partial shady's fault 'cause mass and social media is hiding the truth from you. it is imperative you self educate like "them" 'cause the real answers are out there. like so many issues today, the the pandemic became a binary with "them" being unreasonable and "them" looking very different depending on party affiliation and/or where/how you get your news. if you listen to conservative radio or enjoy fox, no doubt you are less concerned about an exaggerated disease which is only killing people with preconditions which woulda' killed 'em in a few years anyways. conservative radio listeners wonder why shady cannot be reasonable and see the obvious: mask mandates and the vaccine are just the first step in the government's efforts to take your liberty. didn't need be this way, but now that there is clear defined sides and a recognition o' "them" being unreasonable regardless o' your chosen position, we see no way to easily fix what is broken. *descends from soapbox* HA! Good Fun!

rooftops are frequently inaccessible save through dimension door. a few locals may be overheard mockingly referencing how difficult it must be for non flying mortals n' such trying to navigate the city, which am suspecting were owlcat's clumsy way o' letting you know some chests n' such would not be accessible save through extraordinary means. in the lower city there is a particular noteworthy belt and a star knife (in the unlikely event you use star knives) which you may only acquire with dimension door. the belt involves a fight with a boosted deathsnatcher (not playful darkness level, but tough even so) and a few adds, at least one which has a significant fear aura. am mentioning just as forewarning that going to the roofs via dd may involve lethal traps and encounters. if you are not immediate adjacent to a wall, camera rotate does work, but is indeed finicky and requires patience. annoyance o' need finding the exact right camera angle is no doubt why shady simple used dimension door as often as not. HA! Good Fun!

not unheard of, but prohibitive less likely. nevertheless, somehow the existence o' any vaccinated person dying o' covid, or extreme small numbers o' such folks, is a good reason to not engage in mitigation efforts or to get vaccinated. as the % of people who is vaccinated increases, necessarily the proportion o' vaccinated people who die from covid will increase. the math challenged cannot unravel the puzzle behind such an obvious result. HA! Good Fun!

you included self. you recognized you would do as did "friend's cousin" in a similar situation. ... if this is some kinda suggestion that mitigation efforts is doomed 'cause o' irresponsible people, using self as an example o' ordinarily irresponsible, am gonna suggest we see an obvious flaw in your reasoning which might be eluding you. HA! Good Fun!

am not certain how you may make such an observation on this board. perhaps one reason am arguable unfair measuring owlcat as being poor in their responsiveness is 'cause we need measure 'em 'gainst obsidian. just as an example: https://forums.obsidian.net/forum/157-grounded-technical-support-spoiler-warning/ see all the obsidian responses on only the most recent page? now view the wotr: https://forum.owlcatgames.com/c/pathfinder-wotr/bug-reports/22 point to us the developer responses. fans had long and serious discussions 'bout issues in all recent obsidian games, and were rare we were in the dark as to what were the obsidian perspective. sure, we were annoyed that josh in particular retreated from the obsidian boards to make his announcements, but via tumblr, twitter and a myriad o' other sources, we got far more feedback from obsidian... and as far as at least acknowledging bugs, obsidian absolute buries owlcat and most other developers. regardless, is an odd observation to make and make in this place. @KP on top of ZA WARUDO am believing your wall issue is not imagination. recommendation: do not have your party bunched up immediate adjacent to a wall or building which appears designed to move. back up a smidge, 'cause if you do not then in our experience adjusting the camera will frequent fail to produce changes desired. as for fps drops in the abyss and elsewhere, am suspecting is a memory leak issue based on feedback at owlcat. HA! Good Fun!

agreed. assuming the kings referenced is nba or nhl, that means is indoors, so makes a bad scenario even worse. then add people like "friend's cousin" who test positive and don't see anything wrong with trying to do an end-around on the system, and no doubt others who has acquired fraudulent passports, and such gatherings is kinda asking for there to be unnecessary spread. *chuckle* 'course even with rational limits on large venue gatherings am assuming "friend's cousin" would simple try and find a crowded sports bar to watch the game, and not see the problem in going to such a location following a positive rapid test. HA! Good Fun! ps can't spell friend?

... somebody missing the point. yeah, there is a loophole in the system, but who is the monumental a-hole who, discovering he current has covid by means o' rapid testing, moves to another line to gain access to a crowded sporting event? you answer our query, but is obvious the folks who came up with the three lines approach did not expect the kinda callous disregard for other persons displayed by yourself and the "friend's cousin." the flaw in the system is not predicting teknoman2 and the "quite a few people" you know who would do likewise. thanks for illustrating the problem. HA! Good Fun! ps how surprised would we not be to learn "friend's cousin" then informed his boss that he had tested positive and would need be taking the cdc recommended five-day isolation and would not be going to work?

is just so wrong we momentarily hoped antonio brown has cte. won't be able to know for sure until he dies and they autopsy his brain, but alternatives include mr. brown being an immature d-bag, and if such is the actual cause o' all his problems, then the only reason he were able to get to this point is 'cause coach after coach and team after team let him get to the jets game. just how many people balanced brown talent with his behavioral issues and decided to accept the predictable ab moments? if the latest is nothing more than a grown man throwing a toddler tantrum, then... if is cte, then there is no cure and no real way for antonio brown to fix his problems, so we shouldn't wish for cte to be the reason, but alternatives place the burden on parents, coaches, team owners, innumerable friends/loved ones and 'course brown himself. ab's most recent meltdown were not insular predictable save that no doubt many o' us expected something like this would happen eventual-- kinda an ironic example o' simultaneous surprising and predictable. regardless, am embarrassed to admit we kinda hoped for cte to explain.

the thing is, (warning: hawkeye spoilers) now sure, they made kate smarter and better at everything than just 'bout everybody but hawkeye, so is maybe not an ideal example o' a female protagonist with room for growth, but much o' the show involves clint saving kate's bacon, and her efforts to prove herself is resulting in predictable comic relief. *shrug* am not suggesting hawkeye is the best show ever, but am hopeful writers, directors and producers take notice o' the fact they may include a female protagonist who suffers a scene some audiences will reflexive label as a damsel in distress moment (over and over andoverandover) w/o such being fatal to the public reception. HA! Good Fun!

agreed. is absolute nothing wrong with a bit o' over-the-top. raimi and tarantino do such and am finding entertaining. am double impressed when the aforementioned directors is able to do so in a movie which is otherwise serious in nature. the thing is, the pregnant fight scene weren't embracing camp as far as we could tell. appeared to be deadly serious and aiming for extreme kewl, which felt... weird. HA! Good Fun! ps we misspelled "raimi."

sure there are. coulda' done as we suggested. is also nothing to prevent "ninja-tastic" (which in itself is wholly unnecessary) with a not pregnant woman at some point later in the show, if for whatever gawdawful reason reason you wanna go that way. show the woman dispatch a couple competent swordsman in a not silly fight would somehow diminish her skill in the minds o' viewers? you are not serious. sorry, but this is matrix reloaded all over for us. maybe you think the pregnant woman battle is fine, which is ok. to us the fight were indeed "glaringly wrong" and were unnecessarily campy. the fight distracted from what coulda/shoulda been a more emotional impactful scene. opinion. regardless, to suggest the fight were somehow necessary over-the-top is just plain wrong. is no doubt many ways the scene coulda' played out and am certain a few such ways wouldn't o' left Gromnir rolling his eyes and internal groaning. btw, if "ninja-tastic" requires superhuman abilities w/o magic, radioactive spiders or bionic man kinda stuff, then you have already left us outta your prospective circle o' fans... again, unless you is genuine going for camp as with five deadly venoms and the crazy 88s, but that scene did not strike us as trying for camp. HA! Good Fun! ps as improbable as it seems, or recollection is that jordan denied his aiel were inspired by herbert's fremen. supposed inspirations were real world bedouin, apache and zulu cultures and warrior traditions, which were simillar source material for herbert. anime shinobi were not listed by jordan as inspiration.

relevance? is accusations o' epstein being involved with israelis, russians or others, and possible sharing some info with fbi on the side as conjecture regarding his initial 2007(?) sweetheart deal. so, make the link 'tween such and a staged suicide in jail, 'cause am not gonna do it for you... or were you just doing a rando non-sequitur thing? HA! Good Fun!

complete disagree. reimagine her fighting a single guy and suffering labor pains simultaneous. make certain it is obvious to audience that the woman's opponent is not only competent but masterful, but the pregnant woman is nevertheless somehow holding her own... until a second man shows up and joins the fight. situation just became impossible. fight continues and the woman is suffering worse labor and becoming increasing wounded, but nevertheless manages to kill both her opponents, though she too takes a fatal wound, albeit not an immediate lethal one. now tell us such a fight could not be equal impressive as a fight scene. could be more profoundly evocative. could show the pregnant woman's personal resolve and the skill o' the aiel. could achieve everything one would want to achieve from a storytelling aspect and make more emotional significant 'cause it were not campy and cartoonish. we love stuff like five deadly venoms, 'cause over-the-top fights have their place, but does anybody wanna defend the matrix reloaded fight scene with smith and neo? weren't the cgi which made bad, but that contributed. were unnecessary. directors thought audience wanted kewl and more? had to somehow be bigger and with greater stakes, right? *shrug* from matrix fans we heard the reloaded fight defended, and those defenses were typical as bad as the fight scene.... and at least for matrix you had already made neo sooperpowered, so at least there were some excuse for excess, though such were also a good reason not to make reloaded in the first place. the linked pregnant woman fight didn't have the matrix baggage and it were not fun in a kung-fu campy kinda way, so what purpose did it actual serve? sure as hell weren't necessary to do that way. oh, and the pregnant woman fight were indeed "glaringly wrong," but that don't mean such excesses is inherent unacceptable or bad. gotta hand it to tarantino with kill bill. he were able to do both the camp stuff and get more serious, but typical you need choose one way or the other. haven't watched wot other than the pregnant woman clip and a bit more than sixteen minutes o' episode one, so perhaps am off the mark, but am assuming the pregnant fight were not supposed to be reminiscent o' the crazy 88s battle. crazy 88 were much better btw, in part 'cause it embraced the camp. choreography were better in kill bill, which is no surprise 'cause it were a big hollywood film. we were quits following the ya silliness in wot episode one. am now improbable more quits. HA! Good Fun!

could tell you weren't being sarcastic, which didn't compute, so we felt compelled to search the interweb, and sure enough... but perhaps hurl appreciated the scene for different reasons. HA! Good Fun!

is amusing you mention, 'cause in a recent video release an owlcat community manager mentioned all the ways they track community feedback, and he literal forgot the forums until somebody else reminded him. *chuckle* were especial amusing when guy introducing his fellow owlcat personages got to the discord guy and exclaimed, "jesus christ!" noting how good they guy's accent were, which the developer attributed to so much time spent doing the discord bit. even so, were kinda funny how the forums were initial overlooked and we genuine cannot recall which owlcat person present were s'posed responsible for the forums, 'cause am pretty sure nobody were mentioned-- were early in the video and we were acclimating to accents, so we missed a bit. as to alignment, am obvious not a fan. more immediate relevant, @KP on top of ZA WARUDO and Gromnir is in agreement regarding owlcat's implementation o' lawful being difficult to square with deities and characters who is s'posed good. we mentioned elsewhere that lawful choices in the game is functional what would regill do in this situation, and regill is lawful evil. am recognizing that in pathfinder a god may have multiple aspects and just 'cause iomadae shows mercy and benevolence as one would expect from a paladin, that don't mean such is the iomadae hulrun worships. our bigger issue were with owlcat making lawful options in their game skew much in the direction o' dispassionate cruelty. am also not a fan o' the owlcat mechanics insofar as alignment. got a lg character who chooses the good dialogue every time and a sprinkling o' lawful response will nevertheless shift to neutral good rather quick, which is gonna be annoying for paladins and the like. is what am believing @ShadySands is referencing. however, interloper gods offends our aesthetic more than does alignment. have interloper gods who correct their flock and make pronouncements to their followers ruin our notions o' faith and kill the chance for many storylines, including those focusing on redemption. we noted how in pnp, the hulrun at the start o' the adventure were reflecting on the harm he had done earlier in life. a hulrun who survived day 1 o' the pnp adventure mighta' come to the conclusion that his actions were fundamental wrong and sought to make amends, but such would be meaningless if iomedae through her herald, direct communication or a withholding o' inquisitor powers, let hulrun know, w/o doubt, that his behaviour were inappropriate. is bs and is also why we were particular impressed with the obsidian pillars solution to this narrative issue common in so many crpg settings. 'course kp is correct and if you got a setting with interloper gods who all too frequent involve themselves in mortal affairs, the explanation as to why they do not chastise a hulrun is never gonna be satisfactory. HA! Good Fun!

based on our experience with the owlcat boards, discovering the developers make any serious effort to read posts would surprise us. sure, the official wotr forum is an obvious and reasonable place to post concerns and the community may offer solutions/insights, but am having little faith in the usefulness o' reaching owlcat developers by means o' the owlcat forum. converse, we has been told that developers do in fact interact with the community via discord, but am having no experience with owlcat and discord. HA! Good Fun!

HA! Good Fun! ps the way rich folks in the US screw the system is either they pay enough to keep their dirt from ever being made public or once their actions is revealed, they take advantage o' a legal system which very much favours defendants and then hire the absolute best legal representation possible. try and imagine all the unlikely events necessary to make an epstein murder-in-jail possible. a jail suicide takes creativity and is obvious not gonna be a drug overdose kinda thing. go ahead and try and hang or suffocate somebody w/o defensive wounds. try and pay somebody who is likely an ordinary jail guard and NOT a contract killer to hang or suffocate somebody, and then hide any kinda money trail. etc. US and ny is not like china or saudi arabia or russia where there is control o' media and a system already in place to protect those in power. if there were a sudden change in jail personnel, such would be discovered and if media were prevented from discovering, that would also be news. and if you think the trumps or clintons have some kinda undue influence, the problem is there is just as many powerful people in the US who woulda wanna see trumps and clintons caught and they would be using their influence to make wrongdoing public. is not as if there is some weird pattern o' US epsteins neither. how many people has made extreme public accusations which has damaged famous people? quite a few. again, is the fact maxwell and epstein were able to get away with their shenanigan for years which is the kinda thing rich people in the US is capable o' doing to cheat justice.

quote self is gauche, but... the thing is, you may simple stack the unused armies at lost chapel or wherever, thus avoiding map clutter. it would be nice to declare the additional armies o' donated troops which serve no real purpose reserves or retired or something which might hide 'em so they didn't add another pointless unit to scroll through when accessing the crusade ui, but is not as if you need provision 'em or something with an actual in-game cost. on our list o' proposed crusade fixes, hide or retire unusable units would be not at the top. we consider this aspect a minor annoyance, and if we were unable to ignore minor, we would never have completed wotr. "How Hulrun wasn't smited for his numerous misdeeds while Staunton spent seven decades as a pariah for being tricked by a master of manipulation is just weird. But I think at least someone at Owlcat really does not like the Lawful axis. So far almost every (Lawful) option is pretty much the (Evil) one." keep in mind, 'ccording to owlcat, stauton's jaunt with the sword o' valor were "unauthorized." the unwise military escapade encouraged by a demon's machinations were illegal by its very nature. staunton knew what he were doing were a violation o' orders. converse, hulrun, like it or not, is acting with the authority provided to him and his cruelty is not driven by a desire to see others suffer or as an excuse for personal gain, or so the alignment argument goes. like it or not, hulrun has clear been given broad discretion to root out infidels and fifth columnists, real or imagined. hulrun's zealotry and paranoia is displaying monumental bad judgement but is quite possible he is acting under color o' law and is arguable he ain't even doing evil as his intent is not tainted-- he believes he is literal fighting on the side of the angels. regardless, is specific noted staunton's taking o' the sword of valor were unauthorized. one may only assume the inquisitors o' the crusade, such as hulrunn, is given wide latitude to ferret out threats. owlcat is clear embracing a simplistic but nevertheless rational interpretation o' lawful... and might not be appropriate to blame owlcat neither. from The World Wound Incursion: Witch Hunters: Prelate Hulrun might be the most notorious witch hunter in Kenabres, but he’s hardly the first. In 4622, during the First Crusade, holy warriors streamed into Mendev, where they encountered Sarkorians practicing their unique druidic faith. The crusaders, goaded by their righteous fervor, mistook the wooden fetishes and rustic rituals for evidence of demonic inf luence. In that first year, more than 40 natives of the region died at the hands of ardent crusaders. As the years passed, formalized groups of witch hunters emerged from the disorganized chaos of the First Crusade. These witch hunters were often self-styled, their tactics little more than brutal trial and error. The least bit of “evidence” could mark a target for investigation—a club foot, a thick accent, or even a “suspicious” absence of abnormalities. The witch hunter groups gained reputations for being cruel and arbitrary, although these weren’t always deserved. Demons ranged freely over the Worldwound and often spilled into Mendev. Demonic possession did happen, though not nearly as often as the witch hunters charged. Genuine witch hunters used divination magic and cautious investigation to draw out and destroy fiends, but they were rare compared to the inflamed inquisitors who burned innocent Mendevians at the stake. With the advent of the Fourth Crusade, the Order of Heralds took strong measures to end the bloody witch hunts of Mendev. The frequency of hunts has dropped substantially, but Prelate Hulrun remains an active and enthusiastic hunter. He maintains a troop of trained witch hunters he dispatches throughout the city to investigate rumors of corruption and possession. The power of the witch hunters isn’t absolute, but the sight of their Iomedaean vestments edged with orange flames makes even the most pure-hearted citizen uneasy. Hulrun’s witch hunters are led by the stone-faced Liotr Hawkblade (LN male human inquisitor of Iomedae 5), an Ulfen warrior who has served under Hulrun for the last 15 years. 'course pnp hulrun is also a bit more self-reflective: The next 50 years saw Kenabres swell to the size it is today, yet this growth was not always easy. The city’s famed prelate, Hulrun Shappok, first gained the trust and admiration of Kenabres’ citizens by organizing inquisitions against suspected demon-worshipers and witches. Hulrun and his force of elite witch hunters exposed dozens of cultists and spies—and, it is said, executed many more under suspicion but with no real proof. These events started the Third Crusade—widely accepted as the least effective and most self-destructive of the four crusades. Still, Hulrun roused respect and admiration in the populace as well as fear, and he agreed to guide the city as its prelate in 4682. Though Hulrun was forced to temper his obsessive witch hunts somewhat in his position as prelate, his inner zeal has only recently begun to truly diminish. Looking back on his actions has left him struggling with shame over how these events cast a shadow over Iomedae’s church and the crusades for decades to come. and if it makes you feel better, pnp hulrun ( a level 13 LN inquisitor o' iomedae) dies even before terendelev, which is hardly a surprise as hulrun were kinda near the top o' areelu's hit list seeing as how his witch hunting fervor instigated the third crusade. all o' which ignores fact the d&d alignment axis is monumental stoopid and wholly unnecessary. HA! Good Fun!

i wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life another way to look at is is that she made it to 99 and looked like she were enjoying life far more than most folks we know in their mid 80s... and some in their 70s. from our pov she won, as much as anybody can win. HA! Good Fun!

clerics or the like is ordinarily our go to to choice in crpgs. however, for pathfinder 1e pnp we were always a fan o' inquisitors, albeit mostly 'cause o' skills and the ability to make an actual useful ranged character. crpg wotr angel clerics is kinda op, so we skipped, but inquisitors ain't bad neither. sacred huntsmasters and sanctified slayers is amongst our two favorite wotr archetypes, and perhaps counter-intuitive, the crappy capstone ability for inquisitors increases their appeal for us as they have a sorta level sixteen sweetspot, which means three-to-four levels o' multiclassing gives 'em added flexibility. shady could make an inquisitor o' desna, which admitted requires a bit o' mental gymnastics. rid the world o' hulrun as kinda divine justice? a hulrunless wotr does make a couple later act encounters problematic, but on the plus side o' the ledger, perhaps hulrun may rest a bit easier knowing the considerable good use seelah achieves smiting evil with his sword during the early game. then again, wotr magus sword saints produce the similar kinda silly damage as they did in kingmaker, but you gotta follow a pretty freaking exact meta build plan to get the most outta 'em. 'course the vital strike damage in the multiple thousands is kinda a h00t. HA! Good Fun!

is arguable whether or not there is a formula success, but is most certain that the ukranian and russian model o' being overwhelming tethered to a single volatile export will most assured not be part o' the conversation. converse, if you wanna discuss bass ackwards formulas, the ukranians and russians is most assured gonna eventual get mention as exemplars o' flaw. HA! Good Fun!

thanks to a not good movie, there were a thankful brief period o' time during the 90s when, if you were dating, you better be certain to say "bless you," when somebody sneezed. lord knows how tedious such could be if you dated a woman who had seasonal allergies or hay fever. HA! Good Fun!

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the developers made almost no effort to balance wotr, save for adding stat bloat. am not a fan o' the runaway stat bloat, but am understanding how we get bosses with +80 ac and +50 save modifiers. we recent played around with creating a level 20 angel oracle (no multiclass) and achieved +70 ab and +100 ac. 'cause o' owlcat's quirky implementation o' pathfinder rules and the plethora o' god-tier level 100t, not to mention the nonsensical game breaking potential o' a few mythic + ________ combos, a player may metagame insane high attack bonuses and dcs while simultaneous generating improbable stacking debuffs. no doubt owlcat made wotr with the recognition that soon after release o' the beta, people would discover exploits and post such info... which is exact what happened. is unavoidable that each unbalanced archetype and each new level offers increasing options to break the game. this is why on higher difficulties it is the lower level boss battles which is the most troublesome-- your options when confronting an unfair shield maze water elemental and hosilla is limited. the ordinary player who is unaware o' all the metagamey nonsense is gonna see stat bloat and be discouraged. reasonable. it would seem owlcat didn't make the game for ordinary players. owlcat correct assumed that players would learn the exploits and as such stat bloat was no doubt deemed necessary to make at least a few battles challenge worthy, but the developers were clear ok with the reality they were giving a big middle finger salute to more casual players. again, am suspecting from owlcat pov stat bloat were not so much unfair as a necessary evil. got a sp game with reload so the odds is already skewed in favor o' the player compared to tabletop pnp. add mythic and a whole bunch o' archetypes and splat book stuff most reasonable pnp game masters would disallow save with restrictions to a game already favoring the player compared to pnp and the owlcat folks no doubt felt they had to do something to maintain some kinda challenge level. many/most owlcat fans view balance as a vulgar term, and stat bloat is owlcat's crude effort to balance the game, although most casual (sane) players won't see it that way. as an aside, now that skalds is mostly unbugged, the stat bloat for bosses is even more reasonable. the skald ability to share rage powers with a party has not been exploited much by players 'cause as often as not it ain't been working, but a high level skald is able to buff a melee party with not only basic inspired rage which provides significant increases to attack bonus but also abilities such as the lethal stance line and beast totem abilities, resulting in increased attacks, ac and critical threat range. skalds beat brown fur arcanists as far as party buffs is concerned and they is also quite competent in melee combat, though w/o multiclass they won't genuine be pulling their weight during the early levels o' the game, and skalds (other than court poets) is one class it is extreme costly to indulge even a one level dip. again, am not a fan o' stat bloat, but if the fan base is rabid opposed to balancing abilities available to players, owlcat has limited options for making the game challenging for players who indulge in meta or those who is already well-versed in pathfinder. HA! Good Fun!

similar age. gonna say the pov o' folks in a rural farming/ranching community were decided not celebratory. try and keep a 1970s ranch or farm running w/o petrol is a challenge, and when you live remote and basic needs is in best o' times delivered less than predictable by folks such as @Keyrock to small local feed stores, folks who is also now having difficulty finding fuel, you might suspect critical shortages would begin to occur. rural and poor folks is, as is usual, the ones hit hardest when multinational trade organizations or Presidents decide to measure their manhood in a trade war or similar. meanwhile, folks in cities would have the price o eggs or cheese rise by a few pennies and they would be forced to go to the park on sundays as 'posed to a road trip... maybe need use public transportation a bit more frequent. is no reason why an eight-year-old @Gorthwould be aware o' how tough the situation were for similar aged kids living in the rural US, and am suspecting folks elsewhere had it even worse than we did. regardless, were not just a walk in the park for many. ... as an aside, horse collars and manual plows is most assured not as ez to use as they look in old movies n' such. horses don't just natural take to a horse collar and plow, and those pieces o' equipment were likely in a sorry state o' repair, having not been used serious for decades, and often needing be shared 'mongst neighbors. aside, we were young enough such that it weren't 'til late seventies when the intentional insanity o' MAD began to sink in to our psyche, as often as not at 2am accompanied by some poor remembered but vivid nightmare. such swell memories makes us wanna punch the nose o' those who suggests a return to MAD or some kinda 21st century nuclear deterrent stance as being a swell idea. morons. HA! Good Fun!