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60 minutes? everybody knows that the only reputable sources o' news is al-jazeera and rt. that were sarcasm btw. am suspecting that more than a few folks wouldn't get that. HA! Good Fun!

btw, as israel has already committed ground troops, we suspect the operation ends only when israel feels they has achieved objectives o' tunnel destruction and crippling o' other hamas resources, or when israeli casualties get too high. idf pressure in gaza will force hamas to utilize tunnels they were trying to keep secret, which only plays into israeli hands. attacking and injuring israelis from secret tunnels not only reveals their location, but also reveals the magnitude o' the tunnel threat. that being said, if idf casualties do mount, it will be difficult to maintain this operation in the face o' pressure from israeli citizens. palestinian casualties, many of whom will be civilian, is largely a non-factor unless those numbers threaten to eclipse 2008 totals. HA! Good Fun!

am not certain how you is coming to conclusions. http://www.businessinsider.com/gaza-civilians-actually-reject-hamas-policies-2014-7 hamas is not politically strong at the moment. yes, a core group will be galvanized by the recent tragedies, but just as many palestinians will be even more angered by the actions o' hamas. israeli airstrikes in gaza and civilian casualties is being blamed on hamas almost as much as they is being blamed on israel. furthermore, you ignore pressures from the israeli populace. as an israeli, how many consecutive nights do you spend in air-raid shelters and bunkers before you demand military action? a couple days? a week? israelis were forced to do something even if it were largely impotent. 'course what israeli's no doubt really wanted is what the got: a legitimate reason to put down boots in gaza. that 33% diminished rocket capacity is nothing compared to the value israel is getting from the current operation. they is now able to destroy tunnels and the limited infrastructure o' terror hamas has. they is also able to hunt down individual hamas leaders and exterminate them. more significant to Gromnir at the moment is how bloodless this operation is for the israelis. a large number o' israeli casualties would not sit well with the israeli people. one reason the idf needed to endure so much o' the rocket nonsense is that the last few gaza operations did not sit well with israeli voters. nevertheless, hamas were planning for this and provoking it-- claimed that they were prepared this time. well guess what, the idf is going into gaza with no intention of holding territory, but surgically cutting out hamas assets, and they is doing so with a ridiculous small loss o' life on their part. yeah, it doesn't look like the folks in gaza have full iraninan support this time, but there is no doubt more than a few American generals who will be studying this operation so as to get some pointers on how to execute urban warfare operations-- just so long as things continue as they currently is. am disagreeing that this is pointless from israeli pov. every time israeli citizens went running for shelters, the likelihood increased that a greater idf response would become a political necessity for israel. furthermore, the israelis have been hoping for this since 2008-2009. they gots a very good idea where tunnels and hamas leaders is and they has been looking for an opportunity to get into gaza and eliminate resources. that being said, we kinda agree that this were pointless for hamas, but we s'pose it were political necessary from their pov too. "Out of context, everything is." is that meant as irony? you were the first guy in this thread promoting the body count test. but we agree, without context the body counts is meaningless... which is why we provided some. HA! Good Fun!

body count is a silly measure. the israelis had more casualties than did the palestinians in 1947 even after the arab invasion. so, does that mean that the israelis had moral high ground back then, but now they don't? is same issues now as then, yes? before the six days war, multiple arab nations put a total o' over 300k troops on the israeli boarder, shelled multiple israeli settlements with artillery and the leaders o' jordan, syria and egypt all called for the extermination o' jews in palestine. heck, egypt cut off shipping access to the red sea, which were as much an act o' war as anything else. nevertheless, the idf beat the snot outta the arabs in 1967. so, the israelis were the moral victors in 1947 'cause they had more jewish corpses to bury, but after 1967 they finally became the bad guys 'cause they finally surged ahead in body count. does that make sense? 1,663 rockets have been launched from gaza in recent weeks. iron dome is a missile defense system that is, according to experts, 70% effective at destroying incoming rockets. yeah, the gaza rocket attacks is random and not targeting specific buildings or any such as they don't have that capability, but it is only by the most extreme good fortune that no rocket attack has hit israelis thus far. should israel wait til they is hit before they respond? how many successful rocket attacks is needed before the idf were allowed to use airstrikes as a response? those airstrikes didn't work to stop the rocket attacks btw, so does that mean isaelis shoulda' waited longer before using ineffectual airstrikes, or should they have immediately gone with sending troops into gaza? am confused. 3 israeli kids is murdered. 1 palestinian kid is burned alive in response. the israelis actual did investigate the murder o' the palestinian kid, but riots ensue and israeli police is injured. predictably, palestinians is also injured in the riots. who were the bad guys at this point? the palestinians start firing rockets from gaza and the israelis respond with airstrikes. at what point is it ok for israel to respond? how long would US have waited to respond if a group were shooting rockets at American cities? egypt brokered a cease-fire which israel honored. the palestinians did not. this isn't shocking as the command/control o' hamas and other organizations is laughable, but regardless, the palestians kept firing rockets while the isarealis waited out the night. who were bad guys at this point? the israelis are better trained, have better equipment and apparently have better intelligence than does the palestinians. is not surprising that the palestinians, who is attacking from mobs or densely populated civilian areas and have none o' the aforementioned advantages we mentioned, is gonna be suffering more casualties. we noted above that we thinks the israelis is trigger-happy. ever since the last time the idf put boots down in gaza, they have been looking for an excuse to go at it again-- lord only knows why. occupying gaza were a tactical and strategic blunder and the israelis no doubt learned from their mistakes. hamas claimed that they also learned, but so far that don't appear to be true. regardless, body count is a stupid measuring stick. am not even certain when you start the count or how. did 9/11 give the US freedom to kill 3,000 terrorists? less than 100 o' those killed in 9/11 were military personnel. does that mean that the US had justification to kill 30 arab civilians for every terrorist to adequate balance the body count? sorry, but bodies is a ridiculous measure. HA! Good Fun! ps chomsky might wanna rethink his comments. prisoners o' war is afforded far more rights than is terrorists.

Not really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CROWS am thinking you miss our point about the machine gun. if your beach landing is contested (and who needs an armoured vehicle if it ain't contested,) then having a machine gun defending your exposed wheelhouse is not gonna be particularly reassuring to the pilot. honestly, this is common sense stuff. "What I understand it is not meant to be such assault vehicle that will take hostile beach, but instead a heavy carrier that brings tanks and other heavy land vehicles to beach after it's already secured or at least mostly secured." ... am thinking Gromnir is even more confused by the need for this vehicle if that is the case. oh well, i guess if the project keeps folks employed... HA! Good Fun!

This is just the prototype. The real version will have armor and machinegun. its a bass ackwards prototype. a machine gun will no doubt be much comfort to the pilot who is much exposed to enemy machine gun fire... and regardless, the thing is backwards. maybe it were purpose driving in reverse for video? dunno. HA! Good Fun! ps am s'posing it could be a proof-of-concept prototype wherein all they were testing were the propulsion system, but that seems kinda extreme. do that kinda thing in a bathtub, or with something much smaller, no?

for a beach assault craft, the wheelhouse looks a bit... exposed. also, is troops and equipment actual 'posed to disembark from the rear? potential needs to drive tanks and humvees and such towards water then circle around? the flippers look keen, but it not take a genius to recognize that there is some odd design choices that went into this thing. HA! Good Fun!

am curious where shady were taking pictures. colorado, yes? am seeing ski lifts in background, but in colorado that hardly narrows things. am kinda into purchasing real estate and while most everything we own is in CA, we were considering taking advantage o' some o' the cheapy property available near pueblo, co. nevertheless, am curious 'bout your pictures... we honestly only know colorado for ski destinations such as vail, aspen, winterpark, etc. HA! Good Fun! ps pueblo reminds us much of sacramento, ca. is arid and bland and you ain't far from mountains. you got a smallish state college in town. dunno. we like value, but it were perhaps too familiar. Those were taken in Crested Butte, CO gracias HA! Good Fun!

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am curious where shady were taking pictures. colorado, yes? am seeing ski lifts in background, but in colorado that hardly narrows things. am kinda into purchasing real estate and while most everything we own is in CA, we were considering taking advantage o' some o' the cheapy property available near pueblo, co. nevertheless, am curious 'bout your pictures... we honestly only know colorado for ski destinations such as vail, aspen, winterpark, etc. HA! Good Fun! ps pueblo reminds us much of sacramento, ca. is arid and bland and you ain't far from mountains. you got a smallish state college in town. dunno. we like value, but it were perhaps too familiar.

By misleading you mean "they don't show what you want". The statistics themselves simply are what they are and you were happy enough to use them when you thought they showed what you wanted, that they don't actually show what you want is unfortunate, for you, but that's all. There are very good reasons for using stats and maps with properly defined regions; it's far more rigorous and objective than appeal to emotion and what any person wishes was true. If you run around arbitrarily defining demographic areas based on particular agenda you can 'prove' just about anything you want, right down to the Armenian family down the road having an ethnic majority in their area, so 32 Jones Street shall now be known as the Republic of Armenia Really Minor heretofore. Easy, I wouldn't have a partition. by “misleading” we mean that your green (arabs… not palestinians as there has never been a palestiain state… ever. ) v. white (jew) maps is obfuscating or ignoring many obvious facts. the pre 1947 maps show jewish property ownership accurately, but anything not owned by jews shows up as green. now, considering that by all accounts near 50% o’ all land in the british mandate were uninhabitable, the suggestion that all the green area were owned by arabs is ludicrous. who the hell pays for uninhabitable lands? the previous owner o’ such undeveloped and largely useless lands is the State: british, ottomans, romans, assyrians, babylonians, etc. also, a considerable amount o’ land in the british mandate were owned by non-arabs. there were brits, french and even turks who still owned land and business in the mandate. so, your map is misleading ‘cause it is missing at least one additional color to represent State owned land and/or land owned by non-arabs and non-jews. grey? grey is a nice neutral color, yes? more than ½ of the pre 1947 green v. white maps would be grey if we is looking for accurate property ownership at the time. as for not having partitions, that were considered by the UN. both jews and arabs had been promised the opportunity for self-determination within the area o’ the british mandate. 1/3 of the population in the british mandate were jewish by 1946. the UN did not have complete faith in either the arabs or the jews insofar as protecting the other group’s civil liberties. so, how does you protect jews in the mandate from arabs? how does you protect arabs from jews in the mandate? yeah, the UN and british coulda’ both pulled out and let the chips fall as they may… which is actually what functionally happened anyway. the brits left and every arab nation bordering the mandate invaded with the intention of reducing the jewish population o’ palestine to 0. no partition results in what we got today, ‘cause the partition were never actual implemented. so… congrats and well-played? the un folks back in 1946 had an impossible task to accomplish in 3 months: come up with a plan that would result in long-term peace and prosperity in the lands o’ the british mandate. economically, the jewish presence appeared to be a boon to the local economy—arabs and jews alike benefited from jewish improvements to infrastructure and manufacturing. unfortunately, there were great hostility between the jews and arabs and the fact that the brits had failed to live up to promises made to both ethnic groups resulted in increased tensions. there were more than 200,000 jewish refugees confined to camps in Europe and nobody in Europe wanted them. at the same time, between late 1800s and mid 1940s, over seven million jews had been murdered—allowing a similar bloodbath to occur in the middle east were not considered a particularly moral option. partition were considered the best option, but even the UN folks and the brits (who played the role o’ pontius pilate in this little drama) were dubious that any plan would succeed. palestine did not belong to the arabs in 1946. it hadn’t belonged to the arabs for a Long time. similarly, the jewish claims o’ right to the lands near jerusalem were equal remote and tenuous. lots o’ promises were made to two groups o’ people living in the same geographic area and those two ethnic groups hated each other… and still do. the current problems is kinda predictable. hamas has not had any kinda majority support o' the arabs in gaza or the west bank and their influence with young arabs has decreased steadily. hamas needed something to galvanize support. at the same time, israel is trigger-happy. is some historical justification for their anxiety and suspicion, but that not change the fact that the israeli attempts to make peace seem more like pro-forma actions meant to appease supporters in the west. yeah, hamas were rather stupid to be looking for a fight, but they were doing so for political survival. at the same time, israel were looking for an excuse to bloody hamas and other organizations in gaza. no surprises. HA! Good Fun! ps http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/23/world/africa/sudan-woman-freed/ jews and christians alike doesn't fare particularly well in muslim arab states. leaving jews to the tender mercies o' the arab majority doesn't strike you as perhaps a bit myopic?

no doubt. if the government always lies to you, then you predictably become dubious 'bout anything and everything the government claims. however, knowing the root cause doesn't change the fact that those folks who has been lied to so frequent now grab a hold o' even the wackiest conspiracy theories to explain events. HA! Good Fun!

in hindsight, practical and rational reasons is rarely the actual reasons for these seeming random human tragedies. sure, stuff like 9/11 were planned out long in advance, but do not ignore the possibility that a chain o' causality that relies 'pon human error and stupidity is what were the cause o' this plane crash. am not saying there weren't reason driving the eventual decision to shoot down the plane. however, am thinking that it is very likely that numerous decision makers... failed. bad information, technical errors, poor judgment and a confluence o' improbable events likely all combined to result in this tragedy. then again, maybe the downing of the plane were part o' some kinda sinister and coldblooded plan. is gonna be some time before we know for certain. 'course it may not matter what actual cause or reasons is as many eastern europeans will prefer conspiracies to explain anyway. nearly 50% o' russians don't believe that the meteor that did so much damage in their country last year were actually a meteor. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2013/0222/Was-Chelyabinsk-meteor-actually-a-meteor-Many-Russians-don-t-think-so.-video is freaking wacky. no matter what actual evidence suggests, many will disbelieve any official version o' events 'cause the official version is necessarily a lie and cannot be true. just listen to some o' our resident board conspiracy theorists as they routinely bend over backwards to ignore or distinguish more plausible explanations. HA! Good Fun!

You know I'm not big on conspiracies but if you direct a civilian aircraft through a zone where you've lost multiple planes including at high altitude and where you know rebels shoot at anything that flies above (it's not like they can tell) you're either very negligent... or you're manufacturing an incident. The fact that the Ukrainian rebels shot down the plane from such a high altitude is very rare, so there haven't been other examples Also the Russians do have the flight recorder, why when I pointed this out did why you say " I don't know what I'm talking about" This thread always brings out the worst justifications and excuses from people in there support for Russia or the Ukrainian rebels. You guys need to learn just to accept certain things and not look for some conspiracy theories. IMO the plane was shot down by the Ukrainian rebels thinking it was a transport plane helping the Ukrainians http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/09/11/american-airlines-first-get-faa-approval-use-ipads-all-phases-flight-saving-1-2m/ the cost o' having to avoid airspace where any global conflict is occurring would be extreme. is perhaps cynical, but until the potential cost in human lives became real, most airlines were gonna take the admitted extreme small risk o' flying over the contentious airspace wherein this tragedy finally and predictably unfolded. how many commercial passenger airliners has flown that same or similar route for many months? how many has been shot down? how much money would some carriers have lost if they voluntarily had avoided all the dangerous seeming travel routes, particularly if other carriers were utilizing the more direct (cheaper) route and were able to offer relative discounted fares by doing so? somebody were eventually gonna lose the lottery, but it were good business to take that risk... as cold-blooded as that sounds. HA! Good Fun!

with thankful decreasing frequency, Gromnir does real work that takes up all o' our time. last big case we had were reason we were gone from boards for 'bout 20 months. am seriously considering retirement so we can devote our self full-time to a life o' sloth and indolence. HA! Good Fun!

"Like with Korean Boeing it's likely an error with the autopilot so the plane deviated from its planned course and ended up where it didn't belong." thankfully, that kinda thing is near impossible nowadays. significant changes occurred after that tragedy so as to prevent future occurrences. the ****pit autopilot interface were altered to avoid confusion, and the US made gps available for civilian use. no doubt after this tragedy, similar advances/changes will be made... although we suspect weapons technology will always be subject to human error. all it takes is a misinformed general, trigger-happy pilot or yutz in an anti-aircraft platform to make the wrong split-second decision that will cost hundreds or even thousands of lives. as tech becomes more readily available and lethal at ever increasing ranges, it will be difficult to keep mistakes from happening. am recalling that when rebels overthrew qaddafi there were numerous reports on just how much the rebels used and relied 'pon social media and burner cellphones to communicate. the notion o' the cia using social media to communicate and coordinate with rebels struck us as initially ludicrous, but perfect reasonable 'pon reflection. is a new world-- wouldn't complete discount social media sources and cellphone communications. that being said, we sure as hell don't believe all the nonsense floating around at the moment. is almost not even worth reading news reports at this time as many "facts" will be revealed as incorrect when looking back a few months from now. also, when you got eastern europeans, you will have wacky conspiracy theories. http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/2014/07/17/the-weirdest-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-malaysia-airlines-flight/Vga8tXxgp0g9z4t4OtctYL/story.html the putin presidential flight path is particular amusing to us as it has so much inertia but is based on a single unnamed source that even rt admits were contradicted. that conspiracy theory also requires the ukranians to have known o' the s'posed flight path. nevertheless, the best conspiracies only work 'cause o' absence o' evidence. is like an insane mad libs template where anyone and everyone can fill in the blanks howsoever they wish. HA! Good Fun!

You sir, are a true patriotic american. we don't want for bad stuff to happen to her. well, perhaps a severe case o' laryngitis so she can't sing would be an ill we would wish 'pon her. also, we would hope that somebody would teach her how to use a bow. her form is complete wrong. how tough is it to get her to keep her elbow up, pull back to mouth or chin, and hold longbows at a 45 degree angle? am joking o' course. wanting realism in combat is kinda silly. ... am kinda serious 'bout the laryngitis though. HA! Good Fun!

so? all o' your wikilinks is very nice and yet still extreme misleading. what is with you people and statistics and maps? break down based on ethnicity were exactly what the partitioning were meant to achieve. the jewish communities already had jewish schools and medical facilities and infrastructure that they developed by themselves. arabs wanted their own such facilities. the communities were already broken according to ethnicity, and ethnicity were far less arbitrary than were the lines drawn on maps without any consideration o' the deep political and practical divisions existing between the arab and jewish populations. the partitioning were done specifically in recognition o' ethnicity, duh. how on earth is you gonna come up with a jewish partition that isn't based on ethnicity? did that make sense in your head? and again, there were no palestinians pre balfour. the notion o' palestinians as a distinct group o' arabs arose contemporaneous with the british mandate and balfour. palestinians were having as much legitimacy as jews insofar as promises made by the brits. lord knows the ottoman empire didn't make any such promises to jew or arab. "And the WW1 british and the UN were idiots. "Deportation and forced re-location has never, EVER solved a problem in history." we read unscop report. the folks don't sound like idiots, and there were never forced relocation and deportations, save for the jewish settlers who were in excess o' the extreme limited and arab (not palestinian) protective white paper standards. as noted earlier, the arabs left the proposed partition areas and then attacked. that being said, the UN folks did have a clear misunderstanding 'bout the degree to which the arabs in 1947 were resistant to the notion o' an independent jewish homeland anywhere in the middle east and the degree to which jews didn't trust the arabs. the true tragedy being that as unscop observed, "The Peel Commission, in referring to the matter, had noted in its report that "there was a time when Arab statesmen were willing to consider giving Palestine to the Jews, provided that the rest of Arab Asia was free. That condition was not fulfilled then, but it is on the eve of fulfillment now." the brits weren't dumb, but they had decades to learn that the arabs and jews were not gonna be able to exist together. the UN had 3 months to come up with a plan, and we suspect that they very much underestimated the hate that had developed between arabs and jews under the british mandate. the UN folks were smart. maybe that were the problem. smart people could look and see that every would benefit from their plan. rational and reasonable were meaningful to smart folks, but not to the folks in the british mandate. "Never said it was the only standard, BUT body count IS more objective that any other standard you can provide. Especially in the context that most of those bodies belong to civilians." *eye roll* is terrible that you believe what you is saying. HA! Good Fun!

"I think the US is a very good example of a nation which is not based on any ethnicity. Nations everywhere should be based on similar principles." aside, cause we don't wanna complete derail, but ros is again being monumental obtuse. did you bother to look up lakota and oglala? probably not. should all nations be based on US principles regarding ethnicity? is debatable, but if you believe that then you got a serious problem. http://www.nps.gov/nagpra/documents/RESERV.PDF each o' those colored portions on the map is representing a domestic dependent nation, an ethnocracy if you will, existing within the united states. HA! Good Fun!

reading skills here is baffling. " the jews were given control o' the portions o' the british mandate where they already had a majority population. they also got places like the negev freaking desert and other virtual wastelands." we didn't say that the jews had a majority in the negev. we said that the jews were given areas where they had a majority and were also given wasteland. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Palestine_Index_to_Villages_and_Settlements%2C_showing_Jewish-owned_Land_31_March_1945.jpg you and your busted map reading. look at the big section o' southern israel. how many towns is there in 1945? why so few? 'cause it were a wasteland... and that shows only northern most part o' the negev. a very substantial portion o' their 56% were the negev freaking desert, and at the time, there were nothing there worth having. imagine how the jews felt when the first see partition and realize that the single largest portion o' their partition were wasteland. oh, and not-red on the map doesn't mean it were owned by arab palestinans. there were brit and turk and french ownership o' land in the mandate as well. and there were also a sizeable quantity o' what would best be described as State-owned land. example http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/files/2013/10/Pasted_Image_10_15_13_2_12_PM-2.jpg and that don't include individual state owned land neither. and who the hell cares what the zionist terrorists were claiming? your own quoted material o' balfour is: "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." the fact that some terrorist groups wanted all o' palestine is important why? how does that represent the intentions o' the brits, or the UN? or even the jewish majority... not that they matter in this instance. why should we care what admitted terroists groups wanted when figuring out what brits or UN promised? as for zor input, there is absolute nothing about granting arabs an autonomous state within the british mandate that conflicts with offering the same to the jews... which is what the UN partition were clear looking to accomplish. " Especially Poland had pre-war the largest Jewish population by percentage, so that larger region historically has had the largest Jewish connection in Europe (again, relatively speaking. And I'm not necessarily talking about Ostpreussen in itself, but the larger surrounding region)." and over 90% o' that population were slaughtered. and stalin, given his historic love for the jewish people, would have ever have agreed to an independent jewish nation smack-dab in the center o' the eastern bloc? you are a lunatic if you is trying to peddle that product. ... why? before we bother with further dismantling your increasingly bizarre argument, give us a why? why did the UN attempt to partition the british mandate as they did. you see the partitioning as manifest unfair, but explain to us their partitioning and their rationale. HA! Good Fun!

is nothing like a misleading map to brighten your day. point out negev desert on the map ros provided. lots o' that green crap is area that were complete unoccupied and were functional "owned" by the British government and nobody else. show us a map o' utah in late 1800's. go ahead, we can wait. now imagine that the US government is gonna complete pull out o' utah and divide land between mostly mormon settlers and the indigenous peoples. any place on the map not having a settler recorded deed will be showing green as is rightful belonging to the indigenous peoples. divide up map that way and how much o' utah shows green as "owned" by indigenous peoples? statistics is also misleading. the jews were given control o' the portions o' the british mandate where they already had a majority population. they also got places like the negev freaking desert and other virtual wastelands. 56% nonsense complete ignores what were there. Americans is perhaps more able to grasp that not all % o' land is alike. using utah, you want area around salt lake city, or the mojave desert if you is looking to add additional settlers in 1900? am not knowing if ros is doing this purposeful or not, but is comical. "So the British promised to "give" Palestine to the Jews at a time when Jews were only 10% of the population." he can't even read his own quoted material. the brits did not promise to give palestine to the jews when they were only 10% o' the population. the brits agreed to create a jewish homeland in palestine... you know, back when all those jews were being chased out of eastern europe. it were never evisioned or suggested that the jewish folks would get all o' the british mandate. heck, one plan were to settle the jewish folks in uganda... serious. *eye-roll* yeah, am genuine sorry that the jackarse UN folks ignored the bedouins living in the desert. am also not forgetting that the zionist terrorists in the british mandate pre-1948 were killing palestinians and brits. jews were sometimes on the receiving side o' those bloody conflicts, but the zionists in the british mandate were well and fully steeped in blood. there is no nice guys in this, but don't get suckered in by the bs that ros and others is trying to spin. HA! Good Fun! ps eastern prussia as a homeland for the jewish peoples? did we not just mention those pre ww2 pogroms and post ww2 jew huntings? and no doubt the ussr with it security council veto woulda' gone for that idea. *snort* come up with a worse idea... we dare you. pps is another funny about the map ros provides. near bottom o' 1947 map it says that the un partition were never implemented. next map shown in 1967. immediate after the brit mandate ended, the palestinians, egypt, jordan, syria, lebanon and others immediate attacked the jewish settlements with announced purpose o' wiping them out entirely. 1967 is six day war. you can read up on that if you wish. the maps is most amusing for what they don't tell you.

we like the circles as an option, particularly if combat is having any noteworthy complexity. the bg enhanced editions allowed you to specify a particular color for each party member's circle, which we were thinking were a fantastic idea. particularly at higher resolutions, isometric combats can be confusing. you potential got a half-dozen party members, some o' whom is gonna have similar gear, fighting against an even larger number o' enemies in darkened caves and tunnels. many such battles is gonna be close-ranged affairs and is gonna be frenetic, even with pause. colored circles let Gromnir know, at a glance, the location and identity o' each party member. is a much better system o' identification than is b00b v. no b00b armour as has been suggesting elsewhere. in a game where combat is kinda simple, no such circles is needed, but being able to toggle-on or toggle-off varied color circles is a good thing in our book. we don't necessarily want such circles to be ubiquitous, but is a good option. HA! Good Fun!

oversimplification, but we ain't a true expert, so perhaps others will clarify better. what is israel on a map today were, after ww2, part o' what were called the british mandate. the british mandate has origin going back to fall of ottoman empire... gets confusing. at the time the UN carved up the british mandate in 1947-48, creating jewish and palestinian territories, there were many jews living in the mandate. in fact, in many areas, the jewish folks were a majority. one reason there were so many jews in the mandate (don't call it palestine or it makes you believe it were run by and for palestinans) is 'cause as of late 19th century and before, there were concerted efforts throughout europe to get rid o' jews from many european countries. most o' the pogroms were in eastern europe, but jews were taking it pretty hard everywhere, with particular escalation from late 1800s... is not as if hitler picked jews randomn. ok now, here is one o' those dirty little not-so secrets o' european history that doesn't get much coverage in the history books. when jews in concentration camps were fed and eventual released by allied soldiers, some historians suggest near 1/3 as many jews were killed by local populaces as were killed by the nazis during all o' ww2. and the earlier pogroms had killed between 100 and 200 thousand jews as well. in another bit o' historic irony, 'cause so many jews were fleeing europe before and during and after ww2, the british set up concentration camps in cyprus to reduce the flow o' refugees to the british mandate. and yeah, they were technical concentration camps, and the conditions were pretty horrendous, but "concentration camp" necessarily conjures up nazi death camps, and that ain't what the cyprus camps were. nobody wanted the jews in europe. seriously, nobody. the jews were still being killed in europe even after world war 2. so the UN takes a look at a map o' the british mandate and recognizes that the jews there is already a majority in many areas and there is a lot o' useless desert area to dump new refugees into. also, the british had already promised to create a jewish homeland in the mandate territory back in 1917. at the time it were no doubt seeming like a great idea to let the jewish majority in the british mandate run things for themselves. nobody need be displaced and there were additional space, albeit inhospitable, for new jewish refugees. wins for everybody. *groan* HA! Good Fun! ps we purposeful did not mention holocaust victims, but keep in mind you is talking 'bout millions o' jews killed during the holocaust. to give perspective, total casualties we has seen for isarelis and palestinians (leaving other arabs out o' the mix for the moment) from 1948 to today might be a tragic but tiny number for many jews. 50,000 total casualties is probable high side for israeli-palestinian conflict, but even if you feel like bloat helps make some kinda point, add 20 thousand. assume 70k total and you got death totals for single death camps over a course o' a handful o' months. perspective can be a terrible thing.

how very enlightened. our notion o' a single romance thread were adopted by the mods. creation o' this thread shows impressive judgement. but as to romance, we hate the biowarian companion sexification mini-game. romance in a crpg and the companion mini-game is not the same thing, but as long as they is treated the same, we will necessarily be against romance. HA! Good Fun!

the post ww1 british and the UN in 1947 disagreed with you. the jewish folks had as much historical right to the land in what is now Israel as did folks now known as palestinians, which is to say, not much right at all. sure, the jewish refugees were a third o’ the population o’ the british mandate and many o’ them were moved from their homes when that mandate ended, but we can just ignore them as is inconvenient for you to do so. nobody in Europe were stepping forward to give jewish refugees (you seemed to put stock in refugee status earlier, but not now? Interesting) following the late 19th century pogroms, ww1 and ww2 a place to live. so, what were your solution then and now? if the right thing to do is give the poor and unfortunate palestians back lands that they were only holding at the sufferance o’ the ottomans and brits anyway, then am s’posing you thinks the displaced jews should be given back their lands and properties in Europe? *chuckle* no? do you even comprehend where your reasoning takes you in the present context? and again, were the British mandate. ain’t talking about Texans in America is we? nevertheless, the government does take land from folks all the time here in the US. those people gotta be compensated, but government can take and does. too bad for the palastinians, that they weren’t british, eh? and no, we don’t agree that an ethnocracy is necessarily detestable. Gromnir is Oglala you small-minded little yutz. we is technical a citizen o’ an ethnocracy as the Oglala is a domestic-dependent nation that survives within the boarders o’ the United States. as much as the Oglala and Lakota would like to have their ancestral lands back, even they/we ain’t so ignorant as to believe that the Americans who occupy those lands should be dispossessed at this point. and btw, as the lands in the Dakotas were subject o’ a treaty ‘tween the US and the Lakota people, there is far greater legal merit for Lakota claims as ‘posed to palestinains living in British mandate. regardless, no, we don’t find an ethnocracy necessarily detestable, particularly when that ethnicity has suffered historic abuses at the hands o’ other ethnic groups that approach genocide. HA! Good Fun! ps is also worth noting that most historical palestinan refugees is the result o' warfare. is not as if arabs living in the UN planned jewish portions o' israel were sudden denied citizenship rights and had their lands taken from them. the jewish territories were all having either a jewish majority or were so underpopulated as to make such distinctions pointless. negev desert? *snort* war starts and arabs flee. and when did war start? less than a day after end of british mandate.