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unlikely. proof is an issue for criminal and you are needing a beyond a reasonable doubt kinda standard for any possible criminal. knowing misrepresent mueller report is criminal and TWO federal judges accused barr o' doing just that... which in any other administration woulda' been huge headline news and woulda' had the nation and media going nuts. hardly anybody noticed. still, one need prove actual criminal intent and am thinking most o' us forget just how difficult it is to reach that level. virtual everything skeevy action barr engaged in will have contemporaneous memos showing he did so with the belief he were following the law and giving legal explanations for his behaviour. gonna be extreme difficult to prove criminal intent for somebody such as barr. more significant is fact the proper remedy is impeachment. you wanna wait on this senate impeaching barr? HA! Good Fun!

didn't know we had to provide every misstatement and mischaracterization by aoc. we offered multiple as well as her own quote on the relative importance o' factual accuracy. again, as seems to have been forgotten already, in response to a a misrepresentation o' pentagon spending (so, another example,) she opined, "I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right." and you are assuming we don't like aoc politics. progressives don't bother us. am bothered by folks such as bernie and aoc who make grandiose statements and promises w/o saying exact how their programs is gonna work in the real world. economic, elizabeth warren is as much o' a progressive as bernie and aoc, and while we criticized her native american stuff and her tax scheme, feel free to review the democrat debate coverage on this board. with perhaps one exception we observed how warren were the best prepared and most effective debater on stage. we liked warren. we preferred booker and klobuchar to bernie and the progressives, but find where we criticize warren 'bout anything save the native american stuff and her tax-the-rich scheme. converse, find where we has said positive 'bout aoc. not hard... 'cause we are fair. as much as we do not like how aoc ignores need to provide facts and seems not to care if facts is accurate when she presents 'em, we observed aoc were fantastic cross-examining cohen when he had to testify before congress. we also observed how while her claims that rich people were getting covid tests in march were unsupported by evidence, the fact the entire oklahoma thunder team managed to get tested when the entire state o' oklahoma had less than 200 available tests proved her correct... which is actual yet another example o' aoc making claims w/o facts and evidence. am fair. like with bush and wmds, blix and Gromnir criticized the cherry picking and the lack o' patience regarding inspections... but both Gromnir and blix disagreed with claims o' willful lies... whereas zor quoted a report which concluded no willful lies were made, but you attempted to bend the quote to fit your belief. opposite o' what Gromnir and blix did. so thanks for once again, in your tiresome and predictable way, bringing up the wmd bit. we criticized the US regarding how they handled wmd intelligence, and we were even more critical o' how the US did indeed lie 'bout post invasion troop estimates required for regime building. we don't have any difficulty calling the US liars... when lies is told. am fair. zor might try and be more like blix... or Gromnir for that matter. HA! Good Fun! ps blix wmd berkeley

makes sense, 'cause have not seen any estimate of remaining georgia votes which exceeds 5,000 much less 12,000. saw one estimate which suggested GA total votes remaining could be less than 500. DOJ official steps down over Barr's voter fraud investigation memo am knowing some folks may believe Gromnir is exaggerating the possible threat trump and barr pose in this post election situation, but pilger quit in an effort to make a statement 'bout just how wrong this all is. this ain't normal. this isn't right. trump and barr are not constrained by rules and norms. if the senate won't stop trump and barr, they can do just about anything. mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham and the other senate republicans is the people who will ultimate be responsible for making sure trump doesn't go too far, whatever that means, in this brave new world we have created.

... anybody wanna let mick in on the news that there is less than 55k votes left to be counted in az, and ~4k o' those is needing be cured by 5pm tomorrow or they go in the round file along with all those ballots the USPS failed to deliver on time? poor dear. trump can still win az. a bit better than 1/2 votes remaining is from red counties, but they is mostly provisional which makes 'em less red if they follow trends. the other 27k votes is from maricopa and pima, and pima has been skewing better than +20 for biden since election day. could be less than a 5k vote gap, but needs be something like 200 total for a recount. HA! Good Fun! ps am not certain what it will take to call georgia. perhaps waiting 'til after the anticipated recount?

shoulda' stayed loathe to do what you invariably do... 'cause as we has noted innumerable times, we criticized the US govt. for cherry picking only the intelligence supporting their wmd beliefs. we observed, as did blix, that the US were so convinced o' a conclusion that they ignored the intelligence which did not support the conclusion. blizx admitted he thought the iraqi's had wmds as late as the winter before the invasion. were foolish. US were stoopid. were wrong. not sure how many times we need say. however, were no knowing mistruth. blix and Gromnir agree and were once again zor reading and twisting specific quotes out of context to reach a conclusion no supported by the senate finding you quoted... or blix, who you claimed agreed with your assessment o' US lies. aoc is also stoopid all too often. she only sees what she wants to see. she willful ignores evidence which would diminish her cause and just pulls nonsense outta thin air, like the bread silliness, to lend credence to what she believes. bs artists made worse because she believes she is moral right. her and **** cheney should get along. and as for chairchucker "that strong"? *snort* r we stated, "aoc recent tweeted and did interviews claiming how the progressive platform actual insulated democrats from failure." just one article providing example. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-ends-truce-by-warning-incompetent-democratic-party again, how would you react if trump did similar? create a chart with covid-19 death rate compared to total cases as 'posed to total population. similar funny number nonsense to make a point. sure, you can argue the validity, but is a misrepresentation. you defend 'cause you like her and her policy and when trump does similar... converse, we criticize both aoc and trump when they pull similar shenanigans. she told you what her priorities are and it don't bother you. factual accuracy matters less than being moral right? HA! Good Fun! ps blix berkeley wmd and kp should know reposting paywall articles in full is a copyright violation... and wrong.

you didn't say anything new in the rest o' the post. and again, aoc came right out and admitted she prioritizes moral right over factual accuracy. even now you aren't willing to call her out over her claim o' moral right v. factual accuracy. avoiding does not strengthen your defense. aoc didn't apologize for her theft o' bread mistake or hoax mistakes or her campaign funding claims or her attempt to recharacterize the difficulty o' running as a progressive democrat in a country that looks very red when you get outside of major metropolitan areas. just like trump. yeah, trump does more often. he is constant talking and constant lying. aoc just doesn't seem to care 'bout facts 'cause again, as she said, it is better to be moral right than factual accurate. you like her policies. as for az... we explained above how trump is fighting in multiple states to delegitimize the vote counts, and all he really needs is a couple o' judges to delay long enough to give republican legislatures in states such as michigan and pennsylvania an excuse and time to overturn the results o' the election. say it can't happen? say republicans wouldn't go so far? haven't been paying attention these past 4 years. trump will do anything. he won't need work near so hard to break american democracy if a state such as az ends up going his way. also, fox and ap called az for biden. if az goes red, it proves to trumpers that the media calling elections is obviously flawed. az and georgia may not be necessary, but this is a post trump world in which we live. have you never watched a zombie film? HA! Good Fun!

why should it matter? call out the wrong. if you don't call out a wrong when it is your guy, what does that make you? this were the biggest single drop o' the day, and pretty much all red counties has exhausted everything but provisionals and those ballots waiting to be cured. https://arizona.vote/ballot-progress.html am suspecting yavapai will release a significant % o' their remaining 1300 tabulated this eve, and those should be serious in favor o' trump. isn't over, but is a tough road for trump to gain enough with the remaining votes being mostly maricopa and pima. HA! Good Fun!

dear lord. the hypocrisy is thick. if trump, in defense o' his misleading statements and factual inaccuracies defended by observing it were more important to be moral right than factual accurate, would chairchucker or any other aoc fan let trump forget it? *shakes head sadly* some folks never change. you accuse others o' the sins for which you most frequent commit. HA! Good Fun!

hardly thefts were down 7%... homicides up +20% the thing is, is fun to call out trump and is easy Tapper: I Did Not Fact Check AOC "Mischaracterizing" Trump Because He Didn't Say The Truth Either different treatment? why? in the more liberal media homesteads, they like aoc. trump does fail fact checks more than aoc... but is 'cause of volume. on a per statement basis? dunno. we assume both is talking out their arse until we verify. as we noted earlier, the last time we heard aoc making public statements, she were clear misleading. only days ago. the democrats in rural parts o' this country who failed to win their elections would not have had a better showing if they embraced medicare for all. duh. trying to spin numbers to create an alternate reality is gaslighting whether is aoc doing or trump. if you can't call out both when they do same bad thing, then you are no better. HA! Good Fun!

aoc recent tweeted and did interviews claiming how the progressive platform actual insulated democrats from failure. the chart she presented were misleading and failed pretty much every fact check site. also ignored how inconvenient fact that the overt medicare for all folks were not running in the contested elections 'cross the country. were obvious suicide for a democrat running in rural iowa to champion medicare for all, but the progressive platform were nevertheless ammunition for republicans running against rural iowa democrats. aoc tries to turn reality on its head. sorry you can't read all, but aoc has been extreme misleading... and if you haven't gone to fact check sites to see 4 pinocchios and pants on fire fact checks from the past year or less, then is 'cause you don't wanna look. and am not saying the progressive platform doesn't deserve a seat at the table or is bad for the party. all am saying is that aoc is willing to use bad and misleading facts because she believes there are, "a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right." she is not such a person. aoc needs learn moral right and factual accurate is hardly mutual exclusive, and her legitimacy is undercut everytime she ignores facts or purposeful misleads in an effort to promote what she believes is moral right. HA! Good Fun!

*sigh* if the election cannot be deemed legit until every hairbrained conspiracy theory, no matter how improbable, is proved impossible, then we will never have a resolution. we would never have a resolution... evar. as to aoc, we didn't need go back 2 years... a couple days. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/08/trailer-democrats-won-white-house-lost-myth-about-turnout/ Justice Democrats, the group founded after 2016 to elect Democrats such as Ocasio-Cortez, whipped together a chart of the wins and losses in key districts to argue that candidates who rejected Medicare-for-all, among other left-wing goals, did worse than those who didn't. “The swing-district Democrats who fell off the most from their 2018 results were more conservative than the candidates who outperformed their 2018 results,” said Justice Democrats spokesman Waleed Shahid. The chart was not convincing to many Democrats. It made calculations about results in New York, for example, that will be altered when absentee ballots are counted, and it counted Democrats who had co-sponsored left-wing bills as left-wing candidates; many, such as Maine's Jared Golden, had backed the legislation but rarely campaigned on it. aoc plays fast and loose with facts all the time. we went back two years 'cause she were honest 'bout what she were doing back then. HA! Good Fun!

... ... prove it isn't possible? and folks wonder how the qanon silliness takes hold. as to aoc, she is almost as much o' a fact checking nightmare as is trump. Ocasio-Cortez: People More Concerned About Me Being "Factually Correct" Than "Morally Right" "If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right." yeah... no. HA! Good Fun!

particular sneaky how they did in pennsylvania by allowing trump to improve his margin in philadelphia and pittsburgh but then actual went to red counties and reversed the trend. sure, trump still won almost all o' those red counties, but biden won pennsylvania by improving his losing margin in red counties. genius. if you cannot see how ridiculous you are being, am not sure what to say. legal standards does not embrace powerball odds. thank goodness. sure as hell not gonna delegitimize or holdup transfer o' power following democratic election 'cause o' such not quite impossible odds. HA! Good Fun!

prove it isn't impossible? ... you are not suggesting such is the credible basis for challenging an election, are you? it sure isn't the basis for lawsuits. @HoonDing most o' the 300 were eventually tracked, but ~150k were delivered late... "In several swing states, late ballots will still be counted as long as they were postmarked by Election Day and received by Friday. They include Nevada, where 4,518 ballots arrived on Wednesday and 635 arrived Thursday, as well as North Carolina (2,958 on Wednesday and 835 on Thursday) and Pennsylvania (3,439 Wednesday and 1,459 Thursday). But states such as Arizona (864 Wednesday and 559 Thursday) and Georgia (853 Wednesday and 610 Thursday) don’t accept any ballots after Election Day." pennsylvania ballots received late is actual current being sequestered and may eventual be counted. +5k votes. 'cause o' the Supreme Court decision, any ballot received after election day is sequestered. is unlikely to affect the Presidential race, but could be vital for down ballot stuff. HA! Good Fun!

trump is attempting to delegitimize votes in multiple states, which would force state legislatures and perhaps even Congress to decide who is the next President. each state won for biden makes it more difficult for trump to undermine the system. is gonna be new trump lawsuits filed daily from now until december 8, or perhaps even later. ... there is a case in georgia, which would affect 53 ballots. there is a case in pennsylvania, which would affect 600 ballots. there is a case in az which would affect election day voting in maricopa. there is a new case in michigan which would affect all o' wayne county or more than 800k votes. most trump campaign cases have been dismissed and the remaining options do not appear to be particular strong. however, one judge in say arizona or michigan could conceivably create enough uncertainty and delay so as to provide republican legislatures in those states an excuse to step in and invalidate the election. so what happens if he convinces judges in arizona, michigan and pennsylvania to delay just long enough... have people been watching trump these past four years? "he can't do that." "it's unconstitutional." "that would be illegal and no republican would support him if he went that far." am gonna once again remind @Guard Dog how he accused various news outlets o' fear mongering when they warned o' the possibility trump might contest the election. well? if you think biden winning +270 ec votes by such margins as to make recounts a non-issue is enough to settle the issue, you have not been paying attention for the past four years. messala is beaten, but he is gone use every last option, legal and otherwise, to remain President... and when it becomes obvious the Presidency is out of reach, he is gonna set fire to everything.

pfizer is producing globally, not just for the US. recollection is there is two US manufacturing locations and one in belgium. am honest not certain what is the % breakdown on manufacturing. HA! Good Fun!

very good news. safety data should be available at the end of the month. best case scenario is ~25 million individuals could receive the vaccine by the end of the year. @Guard Dog may be particularly pleased to hear that the pharmaceutical company which distanced itself from the fed and refused to take government money for research and development is the company with the most dramatic news o' initial success... which didn't stop the current administration for taking credit for the news. HA! Good Fun! ps perhaps ironic, but the spike in US cases actual sped up the timeline as requisite benchmarks depended on community spread infections reaching 94 cases out of X.

the maricopa twitter is tending to post after everybody else on the planet found out news elsewhere, and is often... unenlightening. however the table which shows how nyt is posting results is useful. for az specific, if people are genuine curious, we recommend the following: https://arizona.vote/ballot-progress.html is a detailed breakdown o' votes remaining. having followed since the election, am able to conclude with some degree o' certainty that the numbers is at least slight overestimated. nevertheless, the current votes remaining to be counted is 76997, and that includes those 6202 ballots requiring curing. also, this guy, affiliated with abc 15 in az, is posting results from the az counties in real-time. the self-proclaimed "data guru" is providing numbers same or slight before nyt is posting and with detailed breakdowns. HA! Good Fun!

fantastic day in az for biden, although is curious so few ballots were counted. the largest batch o' votes came from pinal county, which is extreme red and had the most outstanding ballots uncounted in obvious red counties. ~13k o' the 20k votes counted today came from pinal. maricopa, by comparison, which had 24k votes ready for tabulation midday yesterday, only released 7k, and those broke 55/44 biden/trump. trump gained 1658 on biden's lead today, cutting the overall margin to 16952. were an overestimation on curable ballots. is closer to 6k instead o' 12k. coming into today, trump needed 56-57% kinda numbers to pull ahead. now trump needs 59-60%. again, that is a simplification 'cause is the spread which actual matters, but am offering just for those looking at announced ballot dumps and wondering what it means. regardless, if trend o' today continues, which is not a good assumption to make, then biden wins by better than 10k. oh, and btw, az only has recount if margin is .1 or less. however, situation looked much different last night. one day changed things a fair bit, and at this snail pace o' counting, we could be waiting for tuesday (not counting the curable ballots) before we get everything counted. heck, a few more hours this eve could change the situation. late monday might be when we genuine know 'bout az. isn't necessary, but am hopeful home states o' john mccain and john lewis flip. also, the (frivolous) lawsuits from the trump campaign becomes effective moot if is such overwhelming ec numbers with which to contend. oh, and hospitalizations and death count from covid is rising dramatic... story didn't end nov 3 as trump predicted. we saw tapper at cnn lament the crowds in nyc, dc, atlanta and elsewhere. were not media silence on the issue as many claim. however, am hopeful biden makes a forceful announcement in the next day regarding the continuing dangers o' covid-19 and the importance o' social distancing. https://www.hiawathaworldonline.com/news/national/biden-aide-responds-to-crowds-celebrating-despite-virus/video_c4391e1a-28d3-51d1-8b68-e4643edd2cad.html at least the campaign is saying the right things, but this message needs to be communicated w/o equivocation. sure, the celebrations is mostly over, but the messaging needs be consistent if people are gonna take serious. HA! Good Fun! ps in the last couple minutes, biden's lead in az increased to 16985. +33 for biden. unfortunate, am having no idea how many votes were involved. could be 33 or 33000. pps it turns out there is a more practical reason the President is fighting the election results 60% of all money donated is going first to the trump election campaign account for debt retirement. "Other Trump fundraising pitches in recent days ask for help to “protect the integrity of this election” but lead to a donation page for Mr. Trump’s “Make America Great Again” committee. The fine print on those solicitations says 60% of a contribution helps the campaign retire debt and 40% goes to the Republican National Committee." yet another trump scam and his supporters is only too happy to enable the soon to be former President. HA! Good Fun!

video not available in this country. which speech? while am waiting, am gonna offer an alternative. is a speech from george w. bush delivered 'bout a week after 9/11. George W. Bush congratulates Joe Biden on winning White House, sending message to GOP about election’s outcome aside: @Hurlshot we watched snl last night for the first time in years, by accident. we were looking for a football game and happened to see the snl opening credits (missed the cold open.) we watched the dave chappelle monologue, and am glad we did. folks who stopped listening to your clip before they got to 14:31 did selves a genuine diservice. one more quick aside, am knowing we said young voters cannot be counted on for the next election. truth. however, am thinking with all the applause being showered on various groups for their effort to make the historic change in georgia and elsewhere possible, am seeing far less credit being given to young people. as much as Gromnir personal pokes fun at young people over a laundry list o' what we perceive as faults, regardless o' party affiliation, they came out and voted and as it turns out, their contribution to American democracy were pivotal. congratulations to young voters. you have our genuine and profound thanks.

as an aside, if not for the fact pennsylvania makes all this moot, people would be going absolute crazy over what is happening in arizona. am thinking both ap and fox called az for biden and as we noted earlier in the thread, based on current numbers, we would bet trump wins. given how close is the numbers, is probable none o' us knows who won az 'til tuesday as a few election day ballots need be cured with a deadline o' tuesday. 12k votes? also, in case anybody is wondering, we did double check and the biggest remaining vote drop for az will indeed be tomorrow, but it will be at 3pm pacific. am assuming maricopa announces near 38k votes tomorrow afternoon. HA! Good Fun! ps is likely a majority o' the 12k is not cured and won't count, but...

hmmm. 295 or 306 appear likely for the ec. georgia is trending up for biden and based on the kinda votes remaining, there is no reason to expect biden to lose more than 9k votes when is more likely he gains. 16 ec votes for georgia. 295 ec for biden if he wins georgia and pennsylvania and pennsylvania looks like a near forgone conclusion at this point. az however is a different matter. with ~100k votes remaining in az, trump is needing close a gap o' 18610 votes. for the remaining votes, trump needs average 56 or 57% as a few votes will necessarily go to a 3p candidate so is not as if when trump gets 56 then biden gets 44. this am, near 50k votes were announced by maricopa and the breakdown were 56.3% trump and 40.7% biden. ... maricopa should announce the results o' 'bout 38k votes tomorrow morning at 11am... or such would be what we would guess if tomorrow were not sunday. am not sure if their schedule is getting changed for sunday. if we were to bet $20 right now on who wins az, we would drop $20 for trump. if biden wins arizona pennsylvania and georgia, that gets him to 306. *shrug* HA! Good Fun!

this one speaks to us for some peculiar reason... HA! Good Fun!

we don't particular like trump, but there is some horrible landlords in maryland. as an aside, and for historical perspective on this auspicious day... charles curtis HA! Good Fun!

our only issue with the nato flag is it reminds us o' the bonnie blue flag. HA! Good Fun!