Gromnir

there is so much hasty generalization fails in this thread. blame blm for any murder or injury to cops. blame the media as if newspapers, tv stations, internet sites and rando blogs linked as news on this site is all part o' some monolithic cabal with a uniform set o' tactics and goals. blame dems for violence happening under the trump administration, or assume dem groupthink even though many o' us watched the dem debates... and what were the point o' that if they is all the same? we do criticize antifa 'cause they their raison d'être is to use the means o' the fascists against them-- they say it is ok to use violence to prevent speakers from sharing their message. we do blame trump voters because they, all of them, voted for a guy who promised a muslim ban during his candidacy, and we see no way, particular for Americans, to justify such. etc. too much generalization and not enough focus on actual actions. why does it even need be pointed out how manifest unfair is the generalizations? stop blaming the media or the protesters. yeah, we can generalize and see trends we believe should be addressed 'mongst media and the protesters. would be swell if a few o' the more extreme media offerors could be more concerned with fact checking regardless o' the freedom they got from the Constitution to spew opinion like every other citizen... damn that first amendment, eh? and yeah, there is too many protesters in various cities who is not making the ghost o' john lewis proud. call the media sources out by name and admonish those protesters who do wrong, but resort to hasty generalization, particular when is convenient and matches the skree o' one's favored candidate, is just plain fugly... and stoopid. HA! Good Fun!

and that is what were odd 'bout the injunction and why we mentioned we were inexplicable in "the dark," as to the nature o' the ada obstacles. judges, ordinarily, is painstakingly specific 'bout injuries. also, the sat question is a bit less binary than suggested https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-22/grades-vs-sat-scores-which-is-a-better-predictor-of-college-success Emily Engelschall, UC Riverside director of undergraduate admissions, says she sees the shortcomings of standardized testing but that the scores do help evaluate grades across vastly different high schools. She also worries that dropping the testing requirement could exacerbate grade inflation. “If you don’t have some sort of standardized tests to balance out grade inflation,” she said, “then that does take one piece of the puzzle away from an admissions professional to help make a decision about a student.” Jessica Howell, the College Board’s vice president of research, has said that a greater reliance on high school grades in the name of equity would be “misguided” because grade inflation is associated with wealth. The College Board points to a 2018 study of North Carolina public school students in grades eight through 10 between 2005 and 2016. The study found that median GPAs rose across the board over time, but did so more in affluent schools than in low-income ones. The study also raised questions about the reliability of grades in measuring mastery of content. It found that only 21% of students who received A’s in algebra I achieved the highest proficiency level in end-of-course exams and 57% of those who received Bs failed to score marks indicating college and career readiness. end excerpt. as such, is arguable good grades, even more than test scores, is skewed by those socioeconomic factors the sat score is s'posed over reliant 'pon w/o having the benefit o' showing mastery o' content. regardless, given the complexities and social issues, this is not the kinda question which is ordinarily addressed in a court o' law and is exact why the "holistic approach" has been so effective in the past when schools attempt to avoid government entanglement with affirmative action or testing schemes. HA! Good Fun!

first, sharks are objectively terrifying. am knowing the chances o' getting bit much less killed is exceeding small, but the high degree o' unpredictability is part o' what makes us always afeared o' shark infested waters... though not afraid enough that it kept us out o' the water for long. second, this administration lies so consistent we now question stuff which we shouldn't have any reason to doubt. am understanding reluctance to believe claims o' efficacy and safety given previous wh claims. "it is reasonable to question whether a vaccine declared safe by the fda will indeed be safe, though again, ignorance is the real danger here as it is far more likely that a busted arse vaccine rushed through the final government protocols would be ineffective as opposed to actual dangerous." am not a conspiracy theory guy and even Gromnir admits we wonder if the administration would be willing to push a vaccine with known dangerous side effects just so long as the incidence o' such dangers is below some unspecific and horrifying acceptable amount. yet another reason to hope we get a new President following the november election. HA! Good Fun!

there is almost the exact same number o' troops in the middle east today as were the case in 2016. same foreign wars and near same troop levels. prescription costs actual went up on average this year. the wall were always a boondoggle... don't need a link. china were not paying for the trade war by having to meet us tariffs. etc. and you are way off on what we think is the worst things trump has done, though am gonna once again admit that anybody who voted for trump after he made his muslim ban promise should be embarrassed and cannot make claims of having voted their conscience w/o appearing utter laughable. and no, trump is not behaving like a politician. autocrat. we expect spin from politicians at the national level. as we noted, spin is traditional linked to political actors and their efforts to advance their own goals by presenting to media and public a version o' events most likely to benefit the politician. from even reputable politicians we expect the classic pivot. we also accept many broken campaign promises. however, the level o' mendacity and corruption from trump is beyond any expectations even we had back in 2016. false equivalency nonsense does not serve you in this situation. spin is what happens when politicians is bending over backwards to avoid the outright lie. trump has forgone any pretense o' honesty. also, we never claimed the media is blameless insofar as spin and influence, so strawman yourself to death if you want to. imagine another Gromnir response and then respond to it? that said, thank goodness the media need not be elected. we sure as heck don't want the media accountable to the electorate or to the government. “But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas — that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out.”-- J Holmes, abrams v. united states (1919) the idea behind the marketplace of ideas metaphor is that truth is more likely to be revealed if freedom o' expression is embraced. hardly a perfect system, and the internet is making increasing easy for people to avoid the market and instead loyalty buy, but the alternative is state run media which is swell right up until you get an administration like the current one. Harry Belafonte Blasts Trump After White House Spox Posts Fake Biden Video oh, and muslim ban. tell us again how it were never a promised muslim ban. tell us why it were ok for americans to vote for a candidate promising a muslim ban. fear? *chuckle* is exact what trump is trying to do in 2020. worse? this time is not fear o' foreigners but o' american citizens, and that should scare trump voters. it were middle east islamic terrorists and murders from beyond the southern border in 2016. today trump is selling fear he has costumed as radical democrats and blm protesters. HA! Good Fun!

University of California System can't use SAT and ACT tests for admissions, judge rules ... is a bit curious. at the very least we would expect the plaintiffs would need make a better show o' standing as nobody has yet been injured and the touchy-feely holistic approach for uc schools makes it difficult to claim they won't be accommodating o' applicants with disabilities w/o a test score. is also noteworthy how the court largely ignored the equal protection argument and focused sole on the ada (americans with disabilities act) angle. as such am suspecting the standardized test folks is gonna be extreme motivated to get creative and find a way to make testing more universal available in a covid-19 world, though the court didn't explain how the current testing situation disproportionate affected those with disabilities, not that we believe such hurdles is imaginary, but am nevertheless in the dark as to what has specific changed this year. regardless, is yet another blow to the standardized test scheme. sat scores and sports is what provided us a shot at becoming edumacated in the UC system, so am kinda disappointed. HA! Good Fun!

there you go... and weren't the media who did it neither. we knew somebody would not be able to help themselves and would supply the implied premise. admitted, we suspected the muslim ban would be a bridge too far for most to actual defend, though you took a half-hearted stab at gaslighting. even so, we were having faith somebody wouldn't be able to control their more base impulse. congrats. btw, spin, traditional, is referencing efforts by politicians, public officials or corporate entities to present stories to the media and/or public in such a way as to be most beneficial to their interests. in recent decades, the meaning has shifted a bit particular with the proliferation o' cable media "news" outfits having recognized/rediscovered that their audiences prefer stories which align with their already established beliefs and preconceptions. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spin doctor edit: avoiding doublepost keep in mind is kinda surreal to quibble over spin when we got one candidate routinely doctorng video, attributing false quotes to his opponent and spreading unsubstantiated snakes on a plane conspiracy theories. HA! Good Fun!

spun? those who perpetrate unprovoked violence should be prosecuted according to the law. ... am suspecting an unspoken premise. HA! Good Fun!

Fauci debunks theories of low CDC coronavirus death toll: 'There are 180,000-plus deaths' in U.S. On Sunday, Twitter removed a post retweeted by Trump that claimed the CDC had "quietly" updated its guidance to indicate only 6% of the country's coronavirus death toll — roughly 9,000 deaths — was actually caused by the virus, according to a CNN report. The tweet said the remaining 94% had "other serious illnesses." Fauci told the ABC program "Good Morning America" on Tuesday that the CDC guidance, last updated on Aug. 26, indicates that of the people who have died from the virus, "a certain percentage of them had nothing else but just Covid." However, people with underlying illnesses also die from Covid-19, he said. "That does not mean that someone who has hypertension or diabetes who dies of Covid didn't die of Covid-19. They did," Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the program. "So the numbers you've been hearing -- there are 180,000-plus deaths -- are real deaths from Covid-19. Let (there) not be any confusion about that." "It's not 9,000 deaths from Covid-19, it's 180-plus-thousand deaths," Fauci said. am thinking is good we got memorialization o' the original misleading info 'cause w/o is easier to dismiss gullibility and ignorance o' faceless masses. tell selves, "who could possibly fall for such obvious claptrap?" (am old enough that we actual use words like "claptrap," so sue us.) we marginalize those who don't know enough to know better, but these folks is also affected by the pandemic direct and indirect. their behaviour impacts others, including their own family members and friends, and they are not self aware enough to see selves as acting irresponsible. these nameless and faceless persons read something somewhere which tells 'em there is so much overreaction to covid-19 which is what they want to believe instead o' acknowledging the reality, a reality which is all to clear that the failure to take more serious action has placed the US near the bottom o' relative world deaths as a percentage o' population... and that is with first world medicine keeping deaths lower than would be the case in many nations who don't have mayo clinics and mt. sinai medical. were only one person on these boards who needs face unfortunate history regarding embarrassing promotion and tenacious embrace o' bad info, but is chances he weren't alone in believing the hogwash being promoted by many including the POTUS. should be a teachable moment, but hurl is far better suited for such than old Gromnir. am not particular motivated to empathize with those we see as lost cause, but such shouldn't stop others from doing the right thing. HA! Good Fun! ps https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/adults/reasons-to-vaccinate.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/index.html vaccines is, relative speaking, safe. you need to be open and honest with your doctor about existing medical conditions and any drugs you might currently be taking, but real long-term serious side-effects and dangers o' any common available vaccine approved by the fda is gonna be low, and much lower than dangers o' contracting or spreading diseases. talk with a doctor. we may make you feel embarrassed about questioning the safety o' vaccines, but is highly unlikely your doctor will behave so unprofessional. ask. don't rely on the internet.

nope, but call out lies for what they are shouldn't be something we do only with a magistrate forcing us to do so. lie 'bout antifa doesn't sudden become ok 'cause vol sees 'em as bad. state allows pro-life people to put flyers on car windshields at a state fair but not a white supremacist group? why? what is the basis for the difference in treatment? if the chilling behaviour is based on the content o' the message, then is unconstitutional. no guilt for Gromnir. we shouldn't need explain such. late edit: am hopeful is an unnecessary clarification, but strict speaking we didn't defend as we were invariably the plaintiff's attorney and the government were defense. HA! Good Fun! ps the only clients we ever actual regretted defending were purveyors o' adult entertainment 'cause our efforts directly resulted in more exploitation o' women who were statistic vulnerable.

proof. we have pointed out the inaccuracy o' vol crazy train generalizations of antifa and blm. is not same as defending the behaviours, and goals o' antifa. show where antifa as an organization supports rape as a tactic. you made such a claim and never backed it up with proof. constant recognizing the rabid and unsubstantiated gross generalizations made by vol concerning any number o' groups is not support o' such groups. as an attorney, we represented gangs and white supremacists and religious groups with questionable motives (cults.) we made certain each such client understood how we personal found their organization and members to be repugnant gutter trash and if we saw 'em bleeding to death in an alley we would possibly hesitate before calling 911, so help us God. such personal disgust did not prevent us from defending their first amendment claims, 'cause even though we saw such clients as ambulatory human offal, they might nevertheless be victims o' injustice. history made clear to us how it weren't so long ago that naacp and homosexuals were treated the same way we felt 'bout the kkk and the crips and recent events should make clear to all that society may regress as well as evolve. we criticized vol. is ez and is the right thing to do. criticize vol is not the same as supporting antifa. HA! Good Fun!

dude, if the only point o' the video is self-gratification, am gonna observe your kink is more than passing odd. also, while am ambivalent about blm (am thinking their lack o' coordination and leadership does as much to hurt the movement as help,) our position on antifa has been consistent critical. we will again wait for your proof o' antifa support. HA! Good Fun!

point to where we suggested anybody should be forced to take the vaccine much less executed for not taking it. HA! Good Fun!

Justice Department investigating BLM protest leaders, funding in Portland and other cities is not as if Gromnir has a crystal ball. this kinda thing is predictable and is the reason blm doesn't have a real organization or leadership structure. authoritarian governments target group leadership to suppress the message, which is precise why hong kong protests has eschewed leadership. even so, we stated earlier how perhaps blm needs a face and a voice to combat the wh lies 'bout the protests and protesters, but this kinda concerted effort by the state is designed to discourage anybody from taking a leadership role. and vol clip which takes innumerable quotes outta context is hardly compelling. we will however happily concede that folks like johnny depp should be ignored. celebrity is not conferring some kinda special social awareness or wisdom. HA! Good Fun!

you are making flawed assumptions. younger and healthier people who refuse to take the vaccine will indeed spread it to old people. the vaccine will not be anywhere near 100% effective and many old people won't be able to take the vaccine regardless. you have reversed. the hardcore vaccine denialists, if they approach 30% or more of the population as is being reported in the US, will severe undercut the mitigation effects o' the vaccine. https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/how-effective-does-a-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-need-to-be-to-stop-the "If the COVID-19 pandemic was just beginning and the population infected was close to zero percent, the simulations show that vaccine efficacy would have to be at least 60 percent to stop the coronavirus if the entire population was vaccinated. Given the number of susceptible people who couldn’t be vaccinated because of age or health problems and the number who would refuse to be vaccinated, that’s probably impossible." ... "How Many People Get Vaccinated Is Crucial "Based on these findings, a vaccine with an efficacy as low as 60 percent could still stop the pandemic and allow society to return to normal. However, most if not all of the population would have to be vaccinated. "This seems unlikely, given polls showing that only about three-quarters of Americans say they would get a coronavirus vaccine if assured that it was safe. "With fewer people protected, a vaccine would have to have an efficacy of at least 80 percent to be able to stop the pandemic by itself, meaning social distancing could be completely relaxed. This can provide a target to aim for when developing COVID-19 coronavirus vaccines." bruce has inverted the problem. HA! Good Fun!

but we know they are overstating. we know trump is going to kenosha in the hope it will cause additional protests. we know fox news and the rnc will doctor images if they cannot get lurid enough content to make old people afraid. we know the trump campaign can lie, cheat and steal and not lose votes, so what is their motivation to stop the lies when the alternative is to need embrace and defend the reality of september 2020? is ez to mock and ridicule the undereducated who is being targeted by the trump campaign. those undereducated people are registered voters. old people is often afraid and they know they ain't as sharp as they once were, which is why is so contemptible how old people is targeted by internet and telemarketing scams. How Old Is the Average Fox News Viewer in America? 65 is the median age o' fox viewers, and at least a few o' those folks is undecided. in a 2016 presidential race with terrible turnout, trump lost the popular vote by a near record number. with a pandemic to contend and orwellian efforts at voter suppression taking place in plain sight, it would not be shocking if 2020 voter turnout is also on the lowish side. trump won wisconsin by 22k votes. jill stein and gary johnson accounted for 140k votes. seeing such, is anybody shocked the republicans were pushing kanye to run for the Presidency? each lie and underhanded trump effort may appear paltry and impotent. nobody suspects the butterfly. HA! Good Fun!

the problem with a large % of people opting out of the vaccine is that the vaccine is only gonna be effective if a high enough percentage o' the population takes it. this is much like the bogus 94% underlying conditions article some persons latch onto. if you are too ignorant to understand your mistake, you could be reaching complete wrong conclusions. once there is enough doses such that the general public will be having access, forgoing the vaccine is not saving that dose for somebody else. rather, forgoing is placing old people and people with comorbidities at more risk than necessary. https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/work/protection getting the vaccine, particular if you are younger and healthier is a bit like wearing a mask as the main benefit is it will protect other people who are at a heightened risk of dying from contracting the disease, a disease which may lead to acute respiratory distress which is indeed a pretty freaking unpleasant way to die. some number o' people, possibly many old people, won't be able to take the vaccine. the wingnuts who disbelieve every media source but converse post every conspiracy theory or fringe source claims is gonna be suspicious regardless o' how well the vaccine is tested and they won't take. will be some who opt out for religious reasons and will be impossible to force 'em to take the vaccine. each such identifiable and predictable group is gonna make the vaccine, from a practical pov, less effective. the thing is, with the trump administration making it apparent he can convince the cdc and fda to report that which is not true, the ignorant and wingnuts and conspiracy theorists is gonna gain converts from people who otherwise would be salvageable. it is reasonable to question whether a vaccine declared safe by the fda will indeed be safe, though again, ignorance is the real danger here as it is far more likely that a busted arse vaccine rushed through the final government protocols would be ineffective as opposed to actual dangerous. is too many people too ignorant to know just how ignorant they are... which would be fine save for fact that in pandemic situations, such ignorance is not a personal choice with the consequences remaining personal. don't wear a mask and fail to social distance means you may spread the disease asymptomatic. 30% o' the population opts out of a vaccine which is initial maybe 60-70% effective and many old people die unnecessarily. there is no vaccine for stoopid. HA! Good Fun!

easy to miss the passing of herman cain as he has become a more prolific social media contributor in death than he was in life. Herman Cain account tweets COVID-19 ‘not as deadly’ as media says following his death attending the super spreader event in tulsa temporal proximate to mr. cain being infected, sans mask and w/o following social distancing guidelines, was bad optics regardless of how mr. cain became ill. oh, and is noteworthy that even in death mr. cain had the good sense to delete his original tweet proclaiming the misleading 94% underlying conditions silliness which were so recent shared in this thread. HA! Good Fun!

Twitter Flags Donald Trump Campaign Response To Joe Biden Speech As “Manipulated Media” trump can lie, cheat and steal and it don't matter to his supporters. oh, and to remind folks 'cause the rnc dog and pony show tried to make you forget... White House privately warned states of Covid-19 ‘red zone’ threat, records show if you are looking for a silver lining, at least the task force was providing states with useful guidelines and hard truths even if the President was publicly downplaying the threat and discouraging governors from following the task force guidance. win some. lose some. HA! Good Fun!

so sensationalist reporting which was accurate (it were the study which were flawed,) #s couldn't even find, and included reporting o' the flaws in the study? that sensationalist reporting? am also kinda worried 'bout your sources. brother of a minister said something and some guy you know who runs a funeral service... people say... i heard... alternatively https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ meanwhile we got other folks finding something new in what has been reported consistent and accurate by the sensationalist media since february/march: the people most susceptible to death from covid-19 is old people and those with preexisting conditions. duh. HA! Good Fun!

DC Circuit court rules against Flynn case dismissal an 8-2 en banc decision. ... what that means is that the two appellate court judges who earlier ruled in favor o' flynn were the only dc appellate judges to agree with their previous decision. kinda the legal equivalent o' the b!atch slap. 'course a similar situation arose with the congressional subpoena o' mcgahn-- were a 7-2 smackdown in that case. on remand, the same two appellate judges fu'd the en banc decision and now we gotta go through the whole process again. it is so easy to understand why people become frustrated with judges and the law. HA! Good Fun!

old people tend to have multiple health conditions so, duh. HA! Good Fun!

underlined is hyperbole. the most common value method in eminent domain situations is fair market value. of course there is horror stories where a property owner gets screwed, and often a property owner has a very different notion o' how fair market should be determined than does the government. "i wouldn't sell for less than $500,000" does not mean the minimum market value o' the property is +$500k. income generating property made worthless by government efforts on adjacent properties also results in holdouts getting screwed by an income approach. am also disagreeing 'bout second amendment. am thinking the framers, not just madison as there were multiple drafts which were debated and altered and agreed 'pon by the assembled, had valid reasons for adding... and the portion gd finds offensive were added after reflection. the original right to bear arms bit had no mention o' militia, but every subsequent draft did. simple declaring a general right to bear arms were considered and rejected. keep in mind that for near 150 years, there weren't all that much confusion and consternation 'bout the second amendment. is genuine a bit curious how the right to bear arms evolved. were original presumed to be unincorporated and only applicable to the Fed government. the municipal and frequent draconian regulations o' firearms and/or ammo were widespread until the 20th century. for most o' US existence, folks took for granted that firearms were subject to state and local level regulation. original intent readings o' the second amendment is problematic precise 'cause gd knows enough history to recognize what kinda weapons were appropriate for a militia which were to be our alternative to a national standing military. furthermore, a textualist reading means we cannot ignore the well-regulated militia bit. sadly, gd is afeared those freedom hating activists on the Court will ignore text and history and point out how we have a military so the second amendment may have been rendered m00t. is no reading which gives gd room to breathe safe. there isn't a way to read the second amendment to make it a blanket and unqualified right to bear arms, which is appropriate 'cause such were the original draft text and the framers purposeful changed it. HA! Good Fun!

all of which ignores the point how the dubious aspect of a single study was being used to undermine the danger of covid-19 in general. it is unnecessary to chase rabbits. the known dangers of covid-19 is terrible enough to make any sane person wonder why, just as a random example, the US efforts to combat the threat were so lackadaisical and uninspired. is there authoritarian strongmen doing the reverse and using the virus to crush dissent? yeah, but such exploitive behaviour doesn't change the already facts regarding the dangers o' covid-19. again, is no question those in power may/will exploit fear for selfish reasons. is fair to question the motives and means o' authoritarian actors when they magnify real dangers. that said, just another virus responses is not particular constructive or wise given how readily this virus spreads in addition to the known mortality and additional long-term health consequences faced by many survivors... not that am accusing majestic o' such. opposite. even so, is best to not let the naysayers distract with relative irrelevancies. one dubious study, accurate reported, does not somehow undermine the known dangers o' covid-19. HA! Good Fun!

much in the post is inaccurate, but more important, with the memory o' a goldfish, you already forgot the gateway pundit claim you made. you had never heard o' it. sheesh. HA! Good Fun!

Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie says the United States is fighting two pandemics “We have to own the questions of leadership and the questions about policies,” Lurie said. “There is a lot to be discussed here on that and in the future. It is heartbreaking. These are needless deaths. We should be similar to most countries on this planet, and yet, we are an embarrassment, a tragic embarrassment. That is where we stand.” huh. in the past we only ever liked the eagles when they played the cowboys, or more rare, the patriots... and perhaps green bay. not much o' a fan o' the phillies or the flyers neither, and has been a long time since dr. j played for the sixers. for a minute or two we had positive feelings 'bout a philadelphia sports team? who woulda' thunk it? HA! Good Fun!