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Which is something I'm really curious about. If the godlike are a direct creation of the gods or a byproduct of their existence, it means they didn't even exist until about two thousand years ago. Then, around the time the Engwythan missionaries bring the news about the "true" gods to the heathens, boom. People start giving birth to creepy looking babies of all kinds. There ought to be some theological texts about that in Eora, some sort of explanation, perhaps made up by the Engwythans, or at least some speculation as to why they began to appear when they did. Sure, two thousand years is a long time, but it is a very unusual phenomenon, I doubt the people of Eora could have forgotten that the godlike hadn't always been around. Well, you can forget a lot of things in such a time span. Especially if there is an organization (the Leaden Key) that works towards helping people forget. It seems that nobody cares or remembers when the current gods first appeared on Eora (just like in our ancient history - gods came and went, beliefs changed), or whether there were other gods before them. But since their appearance, the godlike that started to spawn most likely were deemed as a just another real proof of gods existence. When literal visual manifestations of gods are walking around it just makes the job of converting people that much easier, no? But still, the question remains - are godlike a deliberate product of gods manipulation with the souls or involuntary byproduct of gods creation? I saw somewhere J.Sawyer replying that godlike theme will be explored more in POE2. Maybe Pallegina will finally get some answers.

Ah, I see, it's the usual "bow down to me and beg for forgiveness" kind of thing. Becoming one of those spirit things floating around the Burial island doesn't sound very interesting, just another stupid thing to do. Doubtful she'd ever go for it, but gods are patient there. And I'm not sure the gods can make an obedient servant out of somebody who pledges against their will. Maybe something like "serve, or back to the prison with you"? Anyway, I still don't get why it's evil to release her into the wheel, sounds stupid from all angles. For someone who sat imprisoned for such a long time I think Iovara didn't think her situation through enough.

There's no way for Iovara out of Breith Eaman that doesn't involve her becoming a servant to one of the gods. Regardless of how much she knows about the god's secrets, she could only act on that knowledge to whatever degree her patron god would allow. So for her, it's either an eternity of imprisonment, or an eternity of servitude to a god she knows to be fabricated. Destroying her soul is the only way to grant her true peace. At least that's how I understood it. Um, patron god? Afaik, nobody forces people to worship the gods on Eora. Their presence is undeniable and people know they're out there, but Eora is not one of the AD&D worlds where you either believe in some god or go the Wall of the Faithless to get punished. If they released Iovara's soul to the wheel then she simply would have been reborn through the wheel system and forgot about her past self - that's what she was against. She seemed to believe that the wheel system was in gods hands and didn't want to be a part of it.

Yea. Btw, doesn't her imprisonment in Breith Eaman indirectly prove that the gods can't destroy or wipe a soul? It could have been so much easier to do just that to her and there would be zero chance anybody would ever know their secret? Instead, now they got a leak in the system - a bunch of people know and it is yet to be seen in POE2 whether the gods will take action against them. From what we've seen in the trailers you and your companions are still alive (unless you killed them in POE1) and relatively well (you being stomped by marching Eothas looks like an accident - wrong place, wrong time). And from what I've gathered from the game, the gods are reluctant/unable to mess with the wheel system in direct order, entrusting what manipulation is available to mortal hands and Engwithan machines. The only thing that definitely changed in the wheel system with the creation of the gods are the godlike, but they could be some sort of involuntary byproduct (a glitch?) of gods insertion into the system.

Yea, sure, now that the game is delayed and I'm not going anywhere... I'll take a look a bit later.

Yea, exactly, that's why it's weird that this option is considered evil. I think I'd have preferred to do this, if that wasn't so and she wasn't so against it. Personally, I think it would have been way cooler if the Watcher had Iovara's soul instead of some random inquisitor. Could have been a more personal and impactful story that way, especially in the encounters with Thaos.

Yea, she's ok with it if you convince her with your logic. She likes that - the last rebellious act to stop being a cog in the wheel system and free from the gods. Kinda stupid though - nobody will know about her truth if you destroy her soul, nobody will know about her truth if you send her to the wheel (unless of course she Awakens later). So in the end it's only you, your party and Thaos who knows.

I recently replayed the ending section of POE - there was no option to return Iovara to the wheel, just destroy her soul, thus releasing her from the wheel entirely. As for Thaos, I doubt Woedica or any other god can undo whatever it is you decide to do. First, there is no evidence in the game that they can restore a completely destroyed soul, gone from the wheel, or restore memories of a soul wiped clean to it's primal essence, which is unprecedented as it is. Second, retconing POE1 major endgame decision by some dev whimsy will cheapen the whole game's plot and devalue time spent playing it. Also, returning dead villains always looks like somebody ran out of ideas, it's always more interesting to create a new villain. Sure you can return her to the wheel. Here you go I'm only saddened by the fact that this is supposed to be the 'cruel' and 'evil' option. Ah, I see. Interesting, never played cruel options, so I didn't see this. Weird that it's cruel, though. I thought destroying her soul was cruel. Still, that doesn't negate what I wrote about Thaos.

I recently replayed the ending section of POE - there was no option to return Iovara to the wheel, just destroy her soul, thus releasing her from the wheel entirely. As for Thaos, I doubt Woedica or any other god can undo whatever it is you decide to do. First, there is no evidence in the game that they can restore a completely destroyed soul, gone from the wheel, or restore memories of a soul wiped clean to it's primal essence, which is unprecedented as it is. Second, retconing POE1 major endgame decision by some dev whimsy will cheapen the whole game's plot and devalue time spent playing it. Also, returning dead villains always looks like somebody ran out of ideas, it's always more interesting to create a new villain.

Ha, releasing the beta for everyone to get even more feedback about features and bugs? Then the game will be delayed indefinitely. I think devs shouldn't even release any new beta for backers and only focus on finally cementing all the features and bug fixing what they've got already. As for giving away the beta for free, vexing backers who paid for it, just because the game got delayed? Get over yourselves. If you don't like the wait - get a refund.

Josh has replied to a post asking why there's a delay on his Tumblr. His response was "bugs". Also Obsidian's official Twitter has a picture of a calendar with someone circling the 8th of May on it. I don't think they've literally made an announcement but it seems all but confirmed. They did make the announcement, it is official: http://eternity.obsidian.net/news/pillars-of-eternity-ii-deadfire-releasing-on-may-8th

Except, he may be born again after quite a while and by that time you may be dead already. Will there be anyone to stop him then? So, nope, for me there are no second chances for that guy.

Nah, for me April will be like this: , and that . Still, I'm bitter, it better not get delayed again.

I'm not even gonna set any dates now, this can get delayed again and again...Good thing I can easily reschedule my vacations within a week.

Well said.

Brilliant, why announce release date too soon then?*ahem* Katrina Garsten departure? I hardly doubt her departure had anything to do with the delay. Unless of course she got kicked out for announcing a wrong release date. But more likely she just finished her part of the job on POE2 and moved on to do something else.

I had the same idea, seems like I'll have to postpone my vacation.

Brilliant, why announce release date too soon then?

Well, this sucks if true.

You should read this: https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/94345-portraits-folder-for-custom-player-portraits/

Anything I do he always ends up with the NM. Not that I care, but I wonder, how? Something in your dialogues with him, iirc.

Those are great and all, but I don't have time to photoshop whole galleries for watercolored versions. If anybody absolutely wants to play the game with some portrait then I'll accept a request (make it quick though, cuz I'm going dark in two weeks). Or you can make it yourself by following the instructions: https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/91743-portraits/?p=1956411

Fat chance. Personally, I think he's too dangerous even memory wiped, I had his soul destroyed.

So what do you guys think about Eder's endings? Is he better off in the Night Market or as a mayor of Dyrford? I'm kinda iffy about all religious bs in POE and plan on if the opportunity arises, so having Eder defend Eothas as a religious zealot (and possibly leaving the party) doesn't sit well for me. So I'm making him mayor.