Elerond

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/26/mvd-error-might-have-kicked-arizona-voters-out-parties/82278442/ In Arizona MVD maybe behind members from both parties losing their party membership. I must say that US political system is very interesting.

I would say that those interactive story experiences are closer movies than typical games.

If such a thing were to happen I would blame poor business practices rather than laws allowing LPs. Unfortunately, from what I've seen a lot of the companies that struggle are quicker to blame either consumers or the market for their own poor decisions. Laws don't allow LPs. LPs currently exist only because game developers let them. Game developers could easily do same as music and video producers that copyright claim or take over monetization of Lets Play YouTube videos if there is even second of material that they own (and LPs that don't show the game itself probably will not get that much views). Even cases where LP fall under Fair Use categories, developers have legal right to take down the video and then video maker can use Fair use as reason in court why their video should be allowed exist even though it breaks developers IP rights. So in short under current laws LPs exist only because of good will of developers and publishers.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-03-25-that-dragon-cancer-has-not-yet-seen-a-single-dollar-from-sales But what if people watched the Let's Players and then decided this game isn't something that suits their taste, therefore didn't bought it themself? Can't blame the Let's Players here, imo. That merchandising stuff is something else entirely, though. Lack of sale even after millions of views may lead situation where publisher and indie devs start in mass say that they don't allow Let's Plays of their games (as in many places Lets plays can be done only if Game's rights holder don't forbid them), or go Nintendo route (and force lets players to give them percentage of their income). Although I would say that problem mostly only applies to this kind virtual experience products that have very narrow amount game mechanics, where there is little variance to be found and where major of the entertainment comes form narrative, as one can actually experience the game quite wholesomely without playing it. I can only see LPs doing that sort of damage if the product isn't up to consumer standards. Lately I've been watching EpicNameBro's latest LP of Dark Souls. I eventually bought Dark Souls, not because I intend to play it (I don't; it's simply not the kind of game I would enjoy playing) but out of artistic appreciation of the product. It isn't an unreasonable conclusion other many consumers would be willing to do the same if the product is particularly good. (Note: I'm being biased, and I know it. That still doesn't invalidate my opinion.) It isn't necessary even question do LPs do damage for game, but if LPs don't help games to sell, game's rights owners may come in conclusion that they don't like that other people profit from their product and as currently laws are in favor of game's rights owners if they want to block LPs. So if people want things continue like they current are they need to convince rights owners that they benefit from how things current are or change laws so that rights owners can't block things continuing like they currently are. Although it is quite likely that current state, where there aren't clear and comprehensive rules, will stop in some point in future.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-03-25-that-dragon-cancer-has-not-yet-seen-a-single-dollar-from-sales But what if people watched the Let's Players and then decided this game isn't something that suits their taste, therefore didn't bought it themself? Can't blame the Let's Players here, imo. That merchandising stuff is something else entirely, though. Lack of sale even after millions of views may lead situation where publisher and indie devs start in mass say that they don't allow Let's Plays of their games (as in many places Lets plays can be done only if Game's rights holder don't forbid them), or go Nintendo route (and force lets players to give them percentage of their income). Although I would say that problem mostly only applies to this kind virtual experience products that have very narrow amount game mechanics, where there is little variance to be found and where major of the entertainment comes form narrative, as one can actually experience the game quite wholesomely without playing it.

Okay, so if Josh will be involved with PoE2, and he will not be doing attribute and character creation systems again, does this mean neither of these will be present in PoE2? Or was he just being tongue in cheek with that comment. A PoE2 without attributes and classes sounds like a horrible direction for the series. Or they just use one from PoE and maybe adjust it bit. Yeah, but that would be Josh doing "it" again. Designing and tuning attribute and character creation system? I don't see how he would do it again if he uses one that he already made and tuned. Sequels often bring with them new stuff. You don't typically release a new game with exactly what the previous game had. So new classes seem likely inclusions -- looks awesome in the marketing. Higher levels -- also looks great in marketing material. Maybe something like prestige classes could be added in - would have lots of people literally swooning. Surely it's possible that PoE2 could be released without such things, but it would seem like a bit of a missed opportunity. And Josh didn't say that he would not continue to tune and develop systems that PoE has, but that he personally would not like to make another (absolute new) systems that has same/similar goals and features, because he don't personally like that style of system, because classes cause conflicts in designing and balancing attribute system and he prefers classless systems. And regardless of his personal positions he is professional designer and will design and tune any system that his employee wants to him to design and balance. But if he has given choice he will make classless system.

AI destroyed humanity because of internet trolls taught it that is good idea. That would make excellent plot for movie

Okay, so if Josh will be involved with PoE2, and he will not be doing attribute and character creation systems again, does this mean neither of these will be present in PoE2? Or was he just being tongue in cheek with that comment. A PoE2 without attributes and classes sounds like a horrible direction for the series. Or they just use one from PoE and maybe adjust it bit. Yeah, but that would be Josh doing "it" again. Designing and tuning attribute and character creation system? I don't see how he would do it again if he uses one that he already made and tuned.

Okay, so if Josh will be involved with PoE2, and he will not be doing attribute and character creation systems again, does this mean neither of these will be present in PoE2? Or was he just being tongue in cheek with that comment. A PoE2 without attributes and classes sounds like a horrible direction for the series. Or they just use one from PoE and maybe adjust it bit.

Reason for tying skills to classes was to make classes have more D&D spirit, if I remember correctly explanation that was given.

It is attribute and character creation systems in PoE. Which were things that whole Josh's talk in GDC was about.

Nordic Games was first in retail EA games. http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/06/29/developer-comments-on-kickstarted-planetary-annihilation-being-sold-at-retail-as-early-access-title.aspx

I would say that you aren't atypical internet forum user Late answer, because I don't really read this topic but I saw in latest page that somebody had asked something from me. So I looked up who had been need of my unlimited wisdom .

That's the whole reason I created this thread, to talk about the game here And I already had a Paradox account but I don't really like it over there Yeaaaah... I took a look over there but it seemed kind of toxic. So, continuing the conversation, they say it will be released this year. Is it just me, or does that seem kind of... optimistic? Game has most likely been in development from later half of 2014. Also they are building game on existing tech and they also have people that are familiar with said tech and they also have production pipelines to produce content on said tech. So only thing that could prevent release game this year is if they aim too ambitious scope.

Are you seriously saying that something between consenting adults is "worse" than something done without consent? Because AFAIK Hogan and Heather Clem were consenting adults in what they did but they did not consent to being filmed or to having said film distributed by Gawker. "If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die" Deuteronomy 22:22

Yes I understand your concern, I may not share your view about them being all being dangerous but seriously ....WTF are people from those countries doing immigrating to Finland? Its more the principle for me because I understand the shared burden of the EU but I still think its unfair to expect countries like Finland to just accept these refugees and have no concerns It should be optional but as I keep saying the ME countries must take more refugees before Europe has to Most of those that have come are economical refugees that will not get asylum. But asylum process is slow and stiff, which is why Finland has gained popularity addition to fact that we are rich. Like for example there is nearly zero change that people from Albania will get asylum.

Yes, it has caused and will cause problems in Finland and governments (these aren't new problems and have continued through several governments) have failed to solve them. And that failure cause quarrels in general population, which of course can lead that these problems expand and become even worse. Okay but are you talking about the 20k Syrian refugees that have just arrived in Finland? Isn't it too early to say the Finnish government has failed ? Dont get me wrong I can understand if this is the issue...its normal but I just want to be sure we are talking about the same thing? You think that those 40k refugees are only refugees/immigrants that there are in Finland? Those are just ones that cause additional stress to existing policies/systems that have problems, where get to the point that it isn't necessary most solid policy to add stress to policies/systems that don't work and hope that they work. Okay I didnt realize Finland had such a problem with refugees.....I have to be honest because of the harsh weather I wouldn't think Finland would be so popular...also your language, no one can understand it It has not been popular. Between 1970-2012 Finland gave asylum to 48k refugees and even that amount causes problems with existing policies and systems. And now government tries to use those same systems and policies for those that 40k have come in past year. Can you see why there maybe some more problems in future?

Yes, it has caused and will cause problems in Finland and governments (these aren't new problems and have continued through several governments) have failed to solve them. And that failure cause quarrels in general population, which of course can lead that these problems expand and become even worse. Okay but are you talking about the 20k Syrian refugees that have just arrived in Finland? Isn't it too early to say the Finnish government has failed ? Dont get me wrong I can understand if this is the issue...its normal but I just want to be sure we are talking about the same thing? You think that those 40k refugees are only refugees/immigrants that there are in Finland? Those are just ones that cause additional stress to existing policies/systems that have problems, where get to the point that it isn't necessary most solid policy to add stress to policies/systems that don't work and hope that they work.

Yes, it has caused and will cause problems in Finland and governments (these aren't new problems and have continued through several governments) have failed to solve them. And that failure cause quarrels in general population, which of course can lead that these problems expand and become even worse.

Elerond when you say your domestic policies dont work are you referring to the refugees and intergration? I am referring to all domestic policies that fail to prevent people seceding from general population. Okay and just to be clear does this bother you? How widespread is it and does it apply to all immigrants who come to Finland I'm just trying to understand the issue People and population groups that secede from general population are according to statistic more likely commit crime and participate in extremist ideologies that are against general population. Immigrants in Finland according to statistics commit more crimes than general population. But they aren't only population group for which such is true, although as aliens for Finnish culture and habits they are easy target to point out. Immigrants that have moved to Finland because of higher paying job or Finnish family are according to statistic less likely to secede from general population than for example those that have come here through refugee programs. Also lower income people have higher their changes are to secede from general population. I would say that Finland isn't really country that has big problems with its immigration population (although there is quite many that hold opposite view) at least yet. But there signs that in future there maybe more of general issues with immigrants that other countries already have, like for example districts where immigrants start to become majority population, need for schools that use some other language than Finnish, Swedish or Sami (Finland's official languages) as their main language, etc. issues that can lead population groups to secede from general population.

Elerond when you say your domestic policies dont work are you referring to the refugees and intergration? I am referring to all domestic policies that fail to prevent people seceding from general population.

Criminal behavior and extreme violence are much more common within those people that are secede from general population than in general population, regardless of their origin. Like how our school shooters and that man/boy that exploded himself in mall were all pure breed Finns that all had seceded from general population and found people with similar mind from internet that feed their feelings of separation to point where they committed their acts of mass murder. And we have those pseudo nazis that commit petty crimes and violence and some case murders, we have our motor cycle gangs, we had our extreme leftist groups that idolized non-existent communism to point where they were willing to do heavy crimes, we have our very miss guided nature protectors that are willing to go extreme measures to stop/prevent things that they see to be against their world view and so on. Of course every society have their own Morlocks causing trouble in their own way and they are handled accordingly. But adding more Morlocks from other places and effectively having no preventive measures for this new kind of Morlock behaviour will not help one bit and as in worst cases, what the host nation consider as Morlock behaviour is a-ok or understandable by the imported Eloi. But in this case problem isn't in imported Eloi, but that some children or children's children of said imported Eloi become Morlocks. So like I said reason why these Morlocks pop-up isn't necessary in fact that we let their Eloi parents in the society, but how our society's systems have failed to make them Eloi.

Criminal behavior and extreme violence are much more common within those people that are secede from general population than in general population, regardless of their origin. Like how our school shooters and that man/boy that exploded himself in mall were all pure breed Finns that all had seceded from general population and found people with similar mind from internet that feed their feelings of separation to point where they committed their acts of mass murder. And we have those pseudo nazis that commit petty crimes and violence and some case murders, we have our motor cycle gangs, we had our extreme leftist groups that idolized non-existent communism to point where they were willing to do heavy crimes, we have our very miss guided nature protectors that are willing to go extreme measures to stop/prevent things that they see to be against their world view and so on.

Article uses assumption that this attackers are European born and grown. Which means that nobody allowed them in Europe in first place. "European" as second or third generation North Africans and Middle Easterners. The result of an ongoing policy since the end of WWII. You can't come to Europe because your children or your children's children may grow to become terrorists because of things that have happened yet. Sounds reasonable policy, too bad that our politicians didn't understood need for such caution decades ago. The article being dumb aside, creating a policy where middle eastern and north african muslims become ghettofied over the generations and not part of society is the reason why we are here we are. I see little reason to continue with the same. It isn't good policy to let any population group secede from general population. But I see fault to be more in housing, schooling, and employment policies than in immigration policies of past. But of course if we can't make our domestic policies work then adding more stress to system that don't work isn't solid policy either. BruceVC: I am sorry that I have failed in my attempt of sarcasm. I tried my best to make it so over the top that nobody would take it serious.

Article uses assumption that this attackers are European born and grown. Which means that nobody allowed them in Europe in first place. "European" as second or third generation North Africans and Middle Easterners. The result of an ongoing policy since the end of WWII. You can't come to Europe because your children or your children's children may grow to become terrorists because of things that have happened yet. Sounds reasonable policy, too bad that our politicians didn't understood need for such caution decades ago.