Elerond

Who you think is best to lead UK out from EU May - We will sent notice to leave as early as next year maybe, ask me again in December 2077 after I have secured my position as PM. Gove - I am not sure what to do, but I love my country I even had to backstab put friendship aside to become Conservative leader and then new PM Leadsom - I will make sure that UK is out from EU next year and she will make Britain "the greatest country on earth" with her. I am Trump Thatcher lite.

I have also always find it is excellent way to stand up against unelected bureaucrats and megalomaniacs, by changing them to another group of unelected bureaucrats and megalomaniacs PS. I always wonder why people bother to put unelected before bureaucrats, as bureaucrats by their nature are unelected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI

You know guys that all countries in Europe, except Belarus have signed same rights for humans (european convention on human rights) and abide by rulings of same human rights court (european court of human rights)? This includes all EU member states, Russia and Turkey. Which of course don't mean that all people in those countries care about human rights or aren't willing to take them away from other people, but at least still they can't do so freely and without opposition.

Polls show that even though overwhelming majority of non-white people vote for remain they were only able to influence final result 1% towards remain from 53% (percentage of white voters that supported leave) to 52% leave. Non-Christian identified voters were able to move result 6% from 58% to 52% Under 65 years olds were able to move result 8% towards remain. People younger than 35 and people over 45 negated each others votes. If half of those under 35 that didn't vote had voted with similar split as those of them that vote then remain would had won. And then small lightening in form of somebody analyzing current situation in political leadership fight https://www.buzzfeed.com/saraspary/this-guy-tried-to-sum-up-the-****show-that-is-british-politi?utm_term=.efz6aelDp#.kuJPBVlYG

Extreme nationalism is in rise and in past it has had habit to create conflicts between nations.

That article is like at least 17 years late. And as fun fact it was Tony Blair (former prime minister of UK) that drive through realization of EU military forces (Common Security and Defence Policy) to ensure defense of UK. Here nice picture of European defense organisations. The European Air Transport Command (EATC) is the command centre that exercises the operational control of the majority of the aerial refueling capabilities and military transport fleets of a consortium of seven Western European countries. European Air Group (EAG) is an association of the air forces of 7 member nations (Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Spain and United Kingdom) working together to stimulate change and collectively to enhance the tactical capabilities of the Group’s air forces through better cooperation. The Movement Coordination Centre Europe (MCCE) is an international military movements control centre at Eindhoven Airport in the Netherlands whose members are predominantly drawn from NATO and the EU. The Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), formerly known as the European Security and Defence Policy (ESDP), is a major element of the Common Foreign and Security Policy of the European Union (EU) and is the domain of EU policy covering defence and military aspects, as well as civilian crisis management. The European Gendarmerie Force (EUROGENDFOR or EGF) was launched by an agreement in 2006 between five member states of the European Union (EU): France, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal, and Spain. Romania joined in 2009; Poland in 2011. The Organisation for Joint Armament Cooperation (French: Organisation conjointe de coopération en matière d'armement;OCCAR) is a European intergovernmental organisation which facilitates and manages collaborative armament programmes through their lifecycle between the nations of Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and the United Kingdom. Finabel is an organisation promoting cooperation and interoperability between the national armies of the member states of the European Union (EU). The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is an intergovernmental military alliance based on the North Atlantic Treaty which was signed on 4 April 1949. Article is about seems to speak about increasing capacities and responsibilities of EU Battlegroups (EU BG) which are military units adhering to the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP) of the European Union (EU). Often based on contributions from a coalition of member states, each of the eighteen Battlegroups consists of a battalion-sized force (1,500 troops) reinforced with combat support elements. Battlegroups have been fully operational from 2007.

Weren't nationalist racist old people the "cause" of this most horrid Brexit? But I guess such reasonings are only valid when it actually furthers some agenda, and when not are discarded once more. That integrity. It was nationalists (and political opportunists) in England that were major driving force behind Brexit, nationalist parties in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland seem to be mostly EU positive (which is most likely helped by fact that lots of English nationalists don't like EU).

How intolerant of the EU parliament to not accept different debate cultures, such as the british. That was so much tamer compared to day-to-day debates at Westminster, and most certainly compared to Thatcher vs. the opposition in the 80's. I am disappointed Farage has been in EU parliament past 17 years, that is how things go there always. He insults people and then they insult him back (sometimes other way around). It has been very constructive.

It's time to put Welsh independence on agenda – Leanne Wood It seem that all the nationalist parties are more than willing to take this opportunity offer their visions of UK's future to drive in their own agenda.

Brexit: Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU We will leave EU, but on hindsight how about only half us leave and half will stay. But it sounds interesting arrangement, where country's central government is out of EU but its semi autonomic regions will stay in. Arrangements that are other way, aren't that uncommon in EU, but this kind arrangement would be quite interesting to see if it could work.

Speaking about those legal loopholes http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-loophole-eu-referendum-mps-law-legal-legislation-constitution-a7105181.html

Big part of western democracies is the laws that prevent majority taking rights from minorities. Things like constitutional rights depend heavily on such systems. And democracy is constantly living thing that don't stop in singular vote but continuously evolve through series of votes and even if you lose one vote you continue to argue for values/things/laws that you think are best for society so that society can reflect them again in next vote and so on until end of time. Meaning that there isn't anything that is set in stone in democratic society but only things that society at any given point of time thinks are rules they as collectively accept to abide by.

Yes this is true, for some reason Scotland has always been very ungrateful IMO to what England has done for them To be part of the UK should be celebrated yet many Scottish people resent the UK, you almost want to tell Scotland " fine leave the UK " but Scotland is very relevant and important contributor towards the UK so we want them to stay Don't you live in country that fought their way out from British(English) rule?

I can understand skepticism towards them. As it seems that nobody has plan what to do now, not even people organized referendum in first place or people that campaigned for this result.

I enjoyed the section where he lists all the things the UK will have to do to leave the EU. He basically said "Now they have to work to do x, y and z." Usually when you set a goal you have to work to attain it, John. "We want to leave the EU." "But now you have to implement things that the EU has been dictating for you." "Yeah, that's the point." Although his point seemed to be more about reality to that UK has only up to 2 years to remake agreements that it has made in past 43 years.

Its not like you to post these types of video because this is just a cruel generalization, that women comes as incredibly stupid ....seriously I feel embarrassed for her She is the worst type of person to somehow represent the intellectual reasoning for BREXIT So again this type of video will be used by people to say things like " ha ha...look how stupid people in the UK are " Do you think its fair ....yes she is hot but this is not about her looks But she did it for chickens and eggs, and she even accounted in bad things like not being able to go in Disneyland in Paris, because borders will be closed. So I think that video is most likely just someone making fun about leave voters, but the scary thing is that people seem to accept it as truth, which is something that isn't that great for democracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdLxTXBaAY Probably best reason to leave EU that I have heard.

Article 50 1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements. 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. 3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. 4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. 5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49. As UK may not give their notification until October and withdrawal agreement negotiations may take years, which means that it is quite possible that we have new European parliament before UK's agreements with EU end and they actually leave the union. But at least we should have couple fun years ahead of us. Hi Elerond How you feeling about Brexit....are you negative....unsure ? Your view on this matter is important to me because of all the interesting posts you make and effort you put in to your comments It is what it is. People of UK wanted to leave union and it was their right to do so. It will most likely negate all economic gains that Finland has succeed to do in past year and sent us back to regression, because of uncertainty in economic markets, which will most likely continue for some time even after when UK actually leaves EU. If we look positive sides of things, this most likely means that some of those UK data centers need to leave from UK and move to countries that are still EU thanks to EU's data protection laws. And Finland is in pretty good position to offer them new home. And in theory our universities will get tens of millions euros in tuition fees from UK students, but I am pretty sure that their number will dramatically drop when their tuition rise from 0€ to somewhere near 18000€ per year. UK's exit has change to make EU politics easier as they were big country with lots of special rights in union and now that they leave it will make union more equal. On negative sides of things, this will make European nationalism stronger, far right parties will get influx on their popularity and we will continue to debate more about topics that actually only have marginal effect on things and much bigger issues get to be decide without public taking notice. But as I said it is what it is. It will not end the world, but it will make use take look on how things are going especially our unified Europe project.

Article 50 1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements. 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. 3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. 4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. 5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49. As UK may not give their notification until October and withdrawal agreement negotiations may take years, which means that it is quite possible that we have new European parliament before UK's agreements with EU end and they actually leave the union. But at least we should have couple fun years ahead of us.

I would say that Cameron's room is most likely much more interesting. Juncker probably don't even have plans to continue his political career after his tenure in Commission is over, which is probably before actual brexit happens. EDIT: It seems that Cameron's room has become much less interesting David Cameron resigns after UK votes to leave European Union

We see how it goes in two years (or longer if UK and EU so decide) after they officially declare that they will leave EU, until that current agreements are in force.

Nice to see they are getting a boost to their economy over this. It isn't necessary that good boost, because if people buy imported stuff then they actually may suffer even some lose. If they sell stuff that is produced in UK then they may get some boost.

And not so surprisingly SNP has started to speak about new vote for Scotland's independence and Sinn Fein leaving UK and joining Ireland.