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That happened largely because of the decision to stop those threads. People decided to vent elsewhere.

Now look whos whining like an 8 year old <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ::ZING:: My problem is when people say this is "for the best" or misrepreset hte reasons why this happened. When that happens, I like to state my opinion. But I'll tell you what, start an interesting topic that doesn't relate to this, and I won't touch it. You have to still deal with Hades tho (lub U doomy!)

Well, they did pick up T. Jones. I really think, as Offense goes, that they want Gage, Grossman, Terrell and Wade to learn for a year together. For offense and defense this really seems to be a "We'll get em next year" plan. Which is fine, I guess.

The Duke Nukem Forever posts too much? Man you yelled about these talks when they were in the proper threads I'm not sure what you want people here to talk about, did you enjoy "poll-ville" and KOTOR1 discussions more? I mean the game is a few months from being out and is being complete now. It's not like we can realistically effect it's devolpment. Without any news we have limited things to talk about. The IGN force thing was mostly old news. Hell, the Darth Maul type guy in the pictures managed to spawn a thread or two. It's not like we have a whole lot of choices.

Engine size?

Well, since France and Britian were at war, they were banking on the French in the area to back them. The whole idea was a mistake. Hell, even the people in the boarder states were openly supporting the "Canadians" and British by selling them food. They prefered the "recently departed from office" Thomas Jeffersons way of doing things. As for repelling the invasion, to be fair, you guys did repel it......but they were sooooo confident that there would be uprising to support the war that they brought a loose band of poorly trained men (which pretty much sums up the army at the time) through some harsh terrain, and isn't that always the case with a route? Toronto wasn't called Toronto then tho, fyi. Sort of how you guys burned Buffalo, but it wasn't called Buffalo then.

As I said, the coaches were letting Krenzel fight for the 2nd string position, how serious that offer was I don't know. EDIT: but there were questions at that position as late as the 4th preseason game. I still don't see anything about Krenzel that tells me he can't be a decent QB if he got a job, not from preseason anyways, as I only saw him once in college. Not saying he's the next Johnny U.... We agree on Terrell The Bears defensive (assuming the secondary, or should I say corners as M. Brown and Co. are solid, step it up) could be swarming tho, and I like the move of Urlacher to weekside LB.

Let us not forget that these release dates surprised the devs at Obsidian too! Now, here are the real reasons for the delay that I have heard rumored, in no particular order: - Holding of the PC version till the international release helps limit piracy in europe. Me: While it will help, it's not like X-box piracy isn't common place in Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if it was were mopre common than the states. - The "Grey Market". It's when markets outside of the US buy copies of the games to sell abroad that were intended for the US market. While this doesn't hurt sales particularly for LA or sellers, it cuts in to the European distributers bottom lines. They don't really like that. - LA has little faith in the PC version, tho it is superior in most ways. They look at the sales numbers of KOTOR1s PC version compared to X-box (tho the PC version was released months later) and assume that those numbers will more or less carry over to K2. So if it will sell "so few" copies, it makes reason #1 even a greater risk. - O, and a little pressure from Microsoft No one knows for sure, but call them educated guesses Unless California has broken away from the Union......

But it was possible, and according to Akaris post, still is BTW, not only did they not dispel the rumor, they started saying the release was Winter 2004 rather than Feb. And then made a weak attempt to cover it up with the calender thing

Obviously you havn't seen the Bears choose QBs over the years

Since X-box peeps have to get Live to get the extra content, that may be reason enough to not give the PC players that content.

And odds are we gain little or nothing in terms of a "polished game" because of the delay. I hope we at least get the Xbox live material, but maybe LA will make it X-box exclusive......considering the release dates. EDIT: I'd like to point out to any passing mod that this is a resonable discussion, albeit off topic.

It wasn't a rumor, again please look at the memo and dev posts. Plus, just because most people didn't know about the memo, doesn't mean it didn't exist. You can't brush it aside and say it didn't exist or that it was just "a rumor". Would people please stop doing that. I have to avoid most gaming sites and forums because LA broke a promise? See, while I'm not saying we should burn down skywalker rancher, people have the right to be reasonably upset at LA.

Not enough people to throw eggs at since David Blane (sp?) left I take it?

Since I highjacked the thread anyways........ Did you hear the latest rumor on that? Apparently, it may be using the Doom 3 engine O, and I'm not "mad mad", I don't going around cursing LA, but I'm slightly ticked on how things worked out. Not even about the waiting, but the spoilers I will certainly run into now before i can play. I feel worse for the devs, and how they can't put there best foot forward on their first game (The graphics will be much better on the PC version, not that graphics are everything). That and I don't like people painting this as something LA did to make the game better (or by default it will make the game better), because it isn't and most likely won't improve the game by "default".

If you want to look at it like that: Most people expected (as promised) that both versions of the game would be released at the same time.

This is what the devs had to say about all this, this is from a few weeks ago Why do you think I work every weekend? This is him after the news broke: How does that sound to you? Yes, "was" is the right word. Then the release date got moved. See memo. Then, it got moved back. See announcement. Yes it does, and if it matters to you take the above dev comments to heart please. How is that an excuse for LA? This is from a little thing called LA. Here is the link.http://www.lucasarts.com/vip/swkotor_sithl...TORII_Press.doc <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Your document is much older than mine, hence the OLD release date (and then new again release date.) Look, my point is simply that IF LA wanted to, the game would be out for Dec and that the delay is in no way the fault of Obsidian or because LA wants to put "extra love" into it. If I havn't been able to show that alreayd, I give up

The presskit I gave you a link for is from the LA website. Now who do you think knows more about K2's release date .....gamespot or LA? Plus, I'm pretty sure my memo is newer than the gamespot article. So how is it a rumor? DL the kit, and tell me if it's still a rumor. Note the source of the link. And Obsidian never said any of that junk about the Orthodox Christian Calender calender. LA did. lets get our fact straight EDIT: o, about the calender buisness. The memo is literally called "Cover Letter 8.4.04 Mailing". Inside it is dated (august 2004)....sooooo obviously they are on the same calender as us if Aug = 8th month.

Sorry to disapoint u, but when Obsidian said that release date, they were using an Orthodox Christian Calender, (dont ask me why) which extends into January 2005 for us at the latest. Then they must sort out the final details before release. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ........seriously, the people trying to defend LA on this one are just reaching sometimes. Ok, first LA said the above, but your explanation doesn't explain away "the holidays". A term I have never heard used to describe Valentines day (which is post the old Feb release date anyways, iirc)

The game isnt delayed. The original release date was feb 2005. It is the US Xbox version that has been moved forward <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, they both got moved forward. DL the zip from the link below (about 100mb) and read the memo in it. You will find that BOTH version were publically (as anyone who knew the site could get to it) announced for a release that would be "just in time for the holidays in Winter 2004 on both Xbox and PC" and BOTH version according to the devs could be on track for a Dec release. http://download.lucasarts.com/holiday_gift_guide.zip So, the game being moved BACK to Feb is a new devolpment. EDIT: The whole quote...yet again, if you don't want to DL it

While I don't disagree with the above, maybe they shouldn't have closed the thread(s) that were meant for the above discussion. Tho, if I recall, you were telling the people in those threads to shut up too

Us PCers will probably get a game that's less buggy with more content anyway. I'm not too worried. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1. The "extra content" will be the X-box live material, if anything. 2. Just because the release is delayed, doesn't mean the game gets extra work in terms of bug fixing. You have to consider that the game is/was scheduled to be done at a certain date and that the devs left on it were to move to a new project or position on NWN2 after that. They can't push those commitments back just because they have more time to polish K2 for the PC. Plus, LA still might want the game in their hands and completed by the original specified date. As the devs have said, that date didn't change just because the release date got moved up 2 months.

Yea, we torched Toronto. The ironic part is, instead of helping us against the British, you helped them..... only to have years of uprising and protests put down by the British till you finally got independece years later. an alligator and a pig? Sounds like it would be a short story.....

I wonder if "I wanted Gore" would be an acceptable deferment...... that doesn't matter anyways, as I'm 21 and usually too drunk to be drafted....no? Ok here is another one.... Seriously, 2 days ago Powell meantioned that if there was another draft, it would't be like Vietnam. AKA you couldn't get deferments so easily and such.

And what exactly does this mean? Are you talking an alternate fuel car. Or a car 'collage' from other cars. lol. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was a (bad , I thought Canadians were supposed to be funny. Remind me again why we havn't invaded you guys... ) joke suggesting his car was a hybrid because it's engine was a "hybrid" of parts from various cars.