Drowsy Emperor
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The other day a former US military attache in Syria, in other words a CIA spook openly said on CNN that using cruise missiles on supposed chemical weapons will be ineffective due to them being stored in hardened bunkers. He also said that there are far too many rocket delivery system for them to be destroyed this way. He continued to say that the US could easily get drawn in further because they'll have to start using airplane delivered bunker busters (thereby going further than planned). He also said its very likely that planes will be shot down, necessitating military rescue operations which in turn leads to full scale invasion down the road. The only questions are if this was the plan from the start and how other countries will react.
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Evidence of what? Is the US going to let itself be convinced that the people of Saudi Arabia are crying out for freedom and that the Saudi king is a brutal dictator that should be toppled? Assad, like any other leader, in any country, is fully within his rights to put down a rebellion. How is a leader to manage an uprising if not by force of arms? What is he supposed to do, buy them a coffee at Starbucks and send them on their way? The US, Israel and certain EU countries purposefully escalated the uprising to a full scale civil war. Assad in fact has no choice but to fight to the bitter end because if he gives up they'll hang him in a kangaroo court like Saddam Hussein to cover up their own crimes. What exactly do you expect of him? To jump into the sunni noose or die like a dog due to lack of adequate medical care in a US sponsored court like Milosevic?
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Nothing new. The albanian UCK was designated as a terrorist organization by the State Department (?) right up to the bombing of '99. With ties to islamic fundamentalism no less. Didn't stop the US supporting them. The business interests that drive US foreign policy have a habit of ignoring their own intelligence organizations whenever they do their job - in other words, speak the truth.
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Don't want things accidentally bombed, after all. Also I guess it plays well at home to make a show of that - standing up to the West or something along those lines. Its a wonder how quiet the Chinese are too. They took the loss of their assets in Libya (I read they had something in oil there, a concession or whatever) without so much as a blink. But their first aircraft carriers haven't started rolling out yet so that might be less surprising. You can't really play poker without cards after all.
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I have no clue what the Russians are doing at this point. I suppose they sent the ships to protect their naval base against "accidents"
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Actually Zoraptor's observation is quite accurate. The similarities are so many that at this point the propaganda is so worn out its only any good for internal use. Even Americans aren't buying it, if they're asked directly and not ethically "blackmailed" by the chemical weapons nonsense. If it wasn't so terrible it would actually be amusing, the way Obama drew the line for intervention at chemical weapons and Assad, if you trust CNN, happily obliged to use them just a week later.
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It didn't take much effort to convince you that Assad is an incarnation of Satan. Even though Syria was one of the more secular and progressive places in the Islamic world under his rule. It is a well known fact that Christians had a decent position in Syrian society, unlike Egypt or SA where they're persecuted, churches burned and sometimes killed. Like the rebels are doing now: http://www.dw.de/several-christians-killed-in-attack-by-syrian-rebels-near-homs/a-17027117
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It was the same with Hussein, Milosevic, and a host of other, previously western supported leaders. For as long as they did what they were told everything was fine and they could do what they wanted unchecked, when they eventually held enough power to lead their own politics they became a barrier to US political and business interests. The US found out that its much easier to have all or most sides in a quasi democracy on your payroll while playing them against each other than it is to control one man who is not entirely spineless. With his back against the wall he will fight (like Assad is doing) - with a pretend democracy you can always blackmail or pay off someone, somewhere to get the government to collapse. So yeah. This was is about Assad being an independent leader in an area where everyone else is a US puppet or vassal. Neighboring countries: Turkey - NATO vassal Iraq - occupied territory Israel - US policy maker/ally Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc. - all US puppets Syria and Iran are the only strictly independent and sovereign countries left in the region. If I was in Iran I'd be pretty worried now. Specifically about 6 years from now. Unless the whole Syria thing escalates into something more.
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Lol, almost half of those 100000 (ridiculous number games in any war while its still in progress) are Syrian army and police, so the rebels have in fact, about as much blood on their hands as the regime does. I suppose you're going to claim its self defense next? Please. Nothing in the rebel camp even suggests they could form a semblance of government or why they should even be allowed to form it.
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That is a gross oversimplification of any conflict, lapsing into typical good guy-bad guy mentality. You cannot or should not call to action without thinking of the long term consequences. Saddam Hussein for one would have gone away in time. Not a very long time at that. Why did Iraq need to be dragged through hell with countless civilian casualties and destruction on a massive scale that tore the country to pieces? What for? The suffering multiplied a thousandfold for nothing. None of them can even say that it was napalm or who threw it. A jet flew over, so what, it could have just as easily be a mortar attack. Seriously, this isn't even reporting its just an exercise of constructing a story with a single fact. The fact is, a building that is apparently a school was hit with a bomb of some sort. Everything else is pure speculation with intent to inflame the public.
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The fleet is already there, the report will be just one of those sad footnotes in history when it eventually appears. Analysts are saying that this attack on Syria will most likely be limited to cruise missiles, because of the Russian anti-air system Syrians are sporting. Its outdated apparently, but still good enough to give the US pause. What will be most interesting are the also Russian made ground to sea missiles that Israel failed to destroy. Some are saying they're a threat, others that US missiles out-range them.
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Every nation in the world has principles, you don't possess a goddamn monopoly on morality. Besides, if the US doesn't intervene (fat chance of that now) the various rebel factions (some of them with Al Quaeda links) will be defeated soon. Why is that not an acceptable course of action? The poll is sort of skewered. Questions about chemical weapons presume that the questioned are sufficiently informed about them. Since the majority isn't the prefix chemical just serves to make a bogey man out of something that has been around for a century and that is also notoriously ineffective. The depleted uranium shells that the US used to bomb Serbia are infinitely more sinister and dangerous. Cancer rates spiked tremendously in the years post bombing, especially in Kosovo where the majority of the bombs fell, because the radioactive waste trickled down into the ground and into the water everyone drinks. So yeah, they poisoned the ****ing water for at least a generation. Where is the moral outrage now?
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That theory doesn't add up. Assad is a member of a minority shia sect and to stay in power he still needs the, at the very least, silent support of the sunni majority. That majority can't be bullied into submission by mass murder or he'll lose support among those sunni that are still friendly (or at least undecided) to the government. Its one thing to assert your authority as a government by being forceful, but the terror tactics they're accusing him of don't make sense from a political perspective. Its no good to win the war and inflame the majority permanently against yourself. These are the same accusations leveled against Milosevic in '99 and they didn't make sense there either. I know what its like for a government to fight a terrorist insurgency and seek to retain legitimacy with an unfriendly/on the fence population at the same time. The army and the police are ordered to demonstrate power on the terrorists to prove that they're in control, while at the same time avoiding antagonizing civilians so that the terrorists recruitment pools are bled dry. It worked back then, Serbian police had all but wiped out the UCK and then the US intervened before the final mop up could be completed and peace restored. This is what's happening now. Another fun fact: there were more casualties in the '99 war among the Albanian population from NATO bombing than any other cause. in other words, when the missiles start flying the casualties will in fact increase, defeating the whole purpose of the action.
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There are dead people on both sides and many of them died by US army donated weapons. Many more will die when the cruise missiles start flying. Empty moralizing is empty, because none of this is, or has ever been, about the well being of the people. And here is were you are wrong. Stopping chemical weapons use is about the well-being of the Syrian people. Or at least it was when that option was still on the table. By now it's blindingly clear that no effective intervention will come from the west and endless bickering in UN over reports and security council meetings only prolong the inevitable. As sad it is - given that the best way to handle the conflict is to let Assad gas-away unchecked. But we are far too hypocritical for that. In fact, you're wrong. No one knows who exactly used chemical weapons. Assad is winning the war with conventional weaponry and has less reason to use chemical weapons than the rebels, who desperately need to get the US involved. This is corroborated by the US sending its fleet, as a military operation is planned, as a rule, well before the troops are sent. What this means is that a while ago the analysts in Washington decided that the war cannot be won in the current state of affairs and that intervention would be needed. Some sort of pretext is needed for it to make the decision appear as though it was made in just moral outrage. And how very kind of Assad to play along and bring out the chemicals just when the US is ready to intervene. Its a story as poorly fabricated as Iraq. Assad want's to rule these people and you can't rule people whose children you gassed to death. Its politically counter productive, stupid and short sighted to use a weapon that is only really efficient against civilians,if they're your civilians.
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There are dead people on both sides and many of them died by US army donated weapons. Many more will die when the cruise missiles start flying. Empty moralizing is empty, because none of this is, or has ever been, about the well being of the people.
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Kinda reminds me of Saddam Hussein's grand WMD arsenal. Seriously, can't the Washington spin doctors come up with something new? The whole UN system is collapsing and it will all end in a major war when the US finally attacks an important country right next to China or Russia and they're left with no choice but to intervene.
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Good thing there are still some decent people in the British parliament. I've been following the whole chemical weapons nonsense. Some random dead people, who may have died of god knows what and a room with a few rusted cans of whatever. Yeah, a real potent arsenal... if the wind blows in the right direction. Its the same story all over again. If there was something to really hold against Assad apart from him being independent of the US the media would have been all over it from day one.
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The (hopefully) attractive women thread.
Drowsy Emperor replied to PK htiw klaw eriF's topic in Way Off-Topic
Every time I see Megan Fox I think of what triumph the insult dog told her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx3fg5zGSxg -
The (hopefully) attractive women thread.
Drowsy Emperor replied to PK htiw klaw eriF's topic in Way Off-Topic
I initially wondered at the uniform, who knew staff officers dressed like that. Watchign this at work as well..nothing to do but torture myself, really. She's really pretty. There are a lot of bombshells on this thread that would look bad without all the makeup and silicone, but this aint one of them -
I prefer your rap name, RPGMaster Boo. It was a phase man, give me a break But RPGMaster Boo is really da lvl cap, in the world of role playing nicknames.
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What did you think of Shadowrun returns?
Drowsy Emperor replied to Nirgal's topic in Computer and Console
Well if there is a lesson to be learned here its: don't put more than 15$ into a kickstarter game. -
Yeats. I like the poem and I'm terrible at inventing nicks. I drew and animated the avatar for the nickname, obviously showing the Drowsy Emperor moving the moon while asleep.
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Its a good question as to what interests could possibly be served by worsening the relations with Russia. Maybe its a response to the Snowden thing.
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The usual double standards.
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The do-gooder Western liberal, who will not rest until the world as we know it is wiped out. I blame lobbying. With enough money and resources you can convince the public of anything. A Gallup survey (I believe on a 20000 strong sample) found that Americans believe that over 30% of their countrymen are gay (actual numbers go from 1% to 3.6%). Its beyond incredible. Strong media presence managed to convince people of something that can be refuted by simple observation made by a person of less than average intelligence. A public so overwhelmingly easy to convince of anything, will, eventually, support anything.
