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There's still some issues (I don't know about nursing, specifically) in some situations. http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.full Synopsis. 127 scientists looked at an undergraduate applicant's paperwork. 63 were told the applicant was a man named John. 64 were told the applicant was a woman named Jennifer. Scientists were asked to rate the applicant based on competence, hireability, salary conferral, and mentoring scales (out of 5). The scientists were made up of both men and women, and the results of these evaluations were based on a split based on student gender, and further split on faculty gender. (That is, they look at how male/female students scored split by male/female faculty). In all cases the effect of student gender was significant (significance meaning the difference in values were not due to random chance, as opposed to "large" or "important"), while the effect of faculty gender was NOT significant. In other words, female faculty members were also harder on female applicants than male applicants. The suggesting here being that there may be assumptions that people make about someone's capability based on their sex, and that it affects all people and not just men. Here's a breakdown of the scores Competence: Male Faculty Male applicant (M/M): 4.01 Female applicant (M/F): 3.33 Female Faculty Male (F/M): 4.1 Female (F/M): 3.32 Hireability: M/M: 3.74 M/F: 2.96 F/M: 3.92 F/F: 2.84 Willingness to mentor: M/M: 4.74 M/F: 4.00 F/M: 4.73 F/F: 3.91 Salary offered: M/M: $30,500 M/F: $27,100 (88.9% of Male) F/M: $29,300 F/F: %25,000 (85.3% of Male) The study discusses the following point: I think it's important to point out that stuff like this is possibly (I'd say probably) not intentional. That is, no one is consciously suggesting that the woman is less qualified simply because she's a woman. Thats an interesting study. In my mind there is no doubt that certain women can also be unintentionally biased. But that doesn't mean there isn't a perception problem that needs to be rectified. You raise another good point that I see in South Africa, people have certain prejudices but they aren't founded on true bigotry. Sometimes a person is unaware of it for cultural reasons. For example there was this white model who won a local beauty pageant in a predominantly black town. In the local newspaper there was a photo of her, a black guy phoned in on one of our radio talk shows and basically said " how can you put a white women in a black newspaper highlighting the fact she won this competition. Its wrong" What he didn't realize he was saying is " A Black person somehow can't vote or find a white women attractive in a pageant dominated by black women". It was basically a racist comment but thats not how he saw it because in his culture you don't cross racial lines. We know that beauty is irrelevant to the race and is really about how a person looks and carries themselves when we talk about it in the context of modeling competitions

I had Spare Ribs last night and I made a delicious potato salad. Very easy potatoes (obviously ) raw onion cut finely chives Feta Cheese Mayonnaise and Sour Cream as the liquid base for the salad

Its an interesting concept, a robot capable of true physical and emotional responsiveness. But then I would also want the robot to have its own opinion and to challenge my view if it feels its not appropriate. So now you need to program into a robot not just the concept of emotions but also the fact that it needs to disagree with me but not just for the sake of disagreeing ..there must be a legitimate reason. Very complicated

Yeah sometimes someone makes a point that sounds very informed and is difficult to understand but actually doesn't address the issue at hand

Well if someone is romancing a Khajiit and the romance takes them to the bedroom, and the Khajiit decides to go on all fours while someone want's to have sex, then it basically has the appearance of a cat. The Khajiit may have other characteristics of a cat and not just appearance. It may also mate like a cat with the male behind them. As I said, you don't seem to have a problem with someone romancing and having sex with a cat. If you want to bring up intelligence and emotions, the same can be said for Centaurs with having the intelligence and emotions as a human. I'm trying to understand why you don't have a problem with humans having sex with cats but Centaurs are a no no. In regards to robots, while you're okay with romancing and having sex with robots, what sort of feedback would you expect from the robot. I'm curious what you would expect the robot to say or do during the romance. if it was programmed to have human emotions, what sort of emotions would you expect it to have. Would you like to see a whole range of human emotions (the affection, enthusiasm, cheerfulness, monotony, boredom, arguments, nagging, ... ) or would you be inclined to have only the good emotions from that robot that you're having romancing and having sex with it. You asking some detailed questions, it is like having a debate with a hardcore promancer. But I'm enjoying it In your scenario around the Khajiit it doesn't matter if they prefer sexual positions of a real cat or they look like a cat. Its irrelevant because the Khajiit is capable of the full spectrum of human emotions. Sex is also about the emotional connection and not just how someone looks. So having sex with a Khajiit is not the same as having sex with a cat. A Centaur does have emotions but its not a humanoid and has some completely different physical attributes. So in that case I see a difference. Its like saying "I want to have a physical relationship with a Yuan-Ti". Its going to be difficult...very difficult And yes in a world of sexbots if you want to have a relationship with one they would have to be capable of the full range of human emotions or the relationship would just be about sex and be lacking something

To suggest a man could educate himself on womens' issues (cough cough a.k.a. feminism cough cough) is fundamentally fallacious. Rather than tossing about trite graphs implying female professionals in the western world are paid less than males, an issue like discursive colonialism would be more appropriate. Agx sometimes I find your posts make no sense? In this case you are just being dismissive but you have cloaked your comments in intellectualism Of course a man can educate himself on womens issues, part of the problem around not adequately addressing sexism and misogyny is ignorance. Of course a graph can reveal facts, why is it inappropriate?

Take it up with the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Why would you say that? I haven't seen anything that would indicate she's not real. I agree, also this is one of the best days to raise issues around gender inequality. Our Womens Day is in August and its a very significant day due to societal problems like the high levels of violence aagainst women in South Africa I just wonder, what are your thoughts on this thread: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/64780-kaineparkers-hopefully-attractive-women-thread-episode-iv-a-new-grope/ Is it objectifying? Its an interesting question. Those people that know me on these forums know I'm very vocal in my support (some would say annoying )of various social justice issues, the main ones I tend to raise is sexism ( and the objectification of women is part of that) and homophobia I have learnt through the years that at times you are dealing with ingrained stereotypes that people have around certain topics and you need to choose you battles and also debate in a certain way, you end up achieving more that way. Men will always look at attractive women and be interested in pictures of them, its one of the things that will never change. I don't know if that thread does objectify women? One response could be "yes" but then I have to ask " do we really want to live in a world where men feel guilty about appreciating the aesthetics of a lady" Sorry if my answer is vague

*insert silly pic here* you are saying that if we ain't rendered turgid by bio' viviwahtever or manifested's farm girl, we should seek medical help? ... if that is how you feel, am thinking that the one who needs doctor is not Gromnir. *shudder* is something serious wrong with some o' you folks. HA! Good Fun! Gromnir I'm concerned there may be something wrong with you....what reassurance can you give me that you are fine.....

Why would you say that? I haven't seen anything that would indicate she's not real. I agree, also this is one of the best days to raise issues around gender inequality. Our Womens Day is in August and its a very significant day due to societal problems like the high levels of violence aagainst women in South Africa

I assume real ? Surly you don't expect some kind of subterfuge

No Kaine, even though you could get that information from the graph the purpose of it is to highligh the income gap difference between men and women

Relevant post, but it still highlights the obvious income gap in the USA. Loads of work still to do

Its really refreshing and good to see an American on these forums saying something positive about there country and not seeing Obama as a complete and utter failure. So thanks for this post

Any usage of pro-Russian fakes would come as no surprise to me

Has anyone else been concerned that a policy of "They speak our language, they're our citizens" effectively means the UK is obliged to invade most of the planet? Hi Walsie

Okay. So you don't have a problem with other people romancing and having sex with cats. So as long it's humanoid, it's okay for you? What about in sci-fi crpgs. Would you romance a robot as long as it looked humanoid? Well a Khajiit isn't a cat, its race that has the appearance of a cat. But it is as intelligent and emotional as a human. And another good question around a robot. If you take a TV series like Almost Human you basically have robots\cyborgs that look and can behave like humans. You also have "sexbots" in that show which humans use for physical gratification. So to answer your question if a robot looks and behaves like a human then I don't see it being a problem for a Romance option? But I can see how that may be a controversial one..because does a robot truly understand human emotion which is a big part of interaction in Romance

So Orcs are okay. What about a Khajiit (cat person) in Skyrim? Could you play that type of race or romance one? is it too 'animal' or are you okay with cats? I think if someone wants to Romance a Khajiit thats fine. I wouldn't, the rule generally is people Romance humanoid creatures and thats what differentiates a Centaur from an Orc or Khajiit

What if a centaur was a playable race and you could romance an elf with your Centaur? Would this be okay? It still fits into the playable and available race to be a Centaur. Mmmm..a valid question. I would be cautious to criticze fellow promancers but personally I wouldn't engage in that type of Romance option. And obviously Romance with a elf or even a Orc would be fine but I typically only initiate Romance with humans, elfs, half-elfs and other similar types of races. Remember you need to be able to RP a Romance encounter and I just wouldn't be able to get my head around a Centaur

Dude, serioulsy, where do you find these things

I don't have an issue with any Romance with any availible race, but with an animal I have to draw the line. A Centaur is a good question....I consider that physiologically more like an animal so I would have to say no !!!

I think Obama has been the greatest USA president I have ever seen in my life, and I'm sure history will remember him favorably. There are many people on these forums who I like and respect immensely but don't like Obama, like GD, and thats fine. We all have our own opinions and perspectives. One thing that people must realize is that I see Obama from an outsiders perspective. And trust me when I say this is that from a global view George W Bush was much more unliked and reviled and fairly or unfairly tarnished the image of the USA that America still has to deal with. For example when the USA was considering attacking Syria due to there contravention of using Chemical weapons the standard response was " oh another country that the USA wants to invade for oil, like Iraq" Anyway here is a good link that raises some of the positive things that Obama has done http://whatthe****hasobamadonesofar.com/

Hiro I think you just need to be direct, no need to be ambiguous. You are asking if in PoE there will be the opportunity to Romance a Sheep. And we get it, you are Australian. You are among friends here, you can be honest

As opposed to the subject matter that came before it? Romance itself has nothing to do with PoE, since it won't have any. Which is why I'm completely baffled that the other thread has been allowed to exist here and even spawn a sequel. I mean, am I free to start a thread called: "the case for first person shooter mechanics" here on the PoE forums without it getting locked or moved? Just curious. No thats not applicable, there is much more interest and opinion around Romance than a topic called "the case for first person shooter mechanics" and I think you know this. That would be my logical reason for the Mods creating an extended "Case for Romance 2"

You mean this conversation that has nothing to do with PoE? This conversation that's devolved into one of prepubescent sexual innuendos? Yeah that same one, the same one that you've been an active participant in

Nice, good thinking Gfted1