BruceVC

As kirottu pointed out earlier in this thread, spiders aren't insects! :D Nah, they are all from the same family... critters that need to be squashed

Am I only one that doesn't find any insect cute or attractive on any level? ( Spiders are undoubtedly my worst.. I suffer from a mild form of arachnophobia )

But female gamers didn't have a choice so I don't see the relevance of your post to the modern campaign of gender equality in games? Actually I would argue this should be a social justice consideration, not an issue. More discussion and awareness gets raised this way

I concur sir, I concur

That's a nice story. Can you share what game you train them with and also isn't Sunny too old to be trained? I thought you had to train a dog from the puppy stage or the training isn't effective so I am keen to understand how you train your dogs.

Jadedmeister you are really weird. I like you

Holy Smoke Barti !!!! That's hectic, do you think a virus caused it? Make sure you do a full scan and confirm your definitions are updated I don't understand. A virus that effects your system can cause major problems, you need to update your anti-virus software and run full scan...I'm worried Barti..I'm worried about other hidden issues Bruce, your messages are sometimes hard to decrypt. Apologies, I'll try to be more clear next time

Holy Smoke Barti !!!! That's hectic, do you think a virus caused it? Make sure you do a full scan and confirm your definitions are updated I don't understand. A virus that effects your system can cause major problems, you need to update your anti-virus software and run full scan...I'm worried Barti..I'm worried about other hidden issues

I have an exciting weekend planned, today I'm going for lunch at a restaurant called Eisbein and Co which specializes in, yes you guessed it, Eisbein and then tonight we off to the Armin Van Buuren dance event which is going to be epic The good news is that Monday is a public holiday in South Africa so I will have ample time to relax after the all night festivities http://bpmmag.co.za/news/armin-van-buuren-south-africa-one-night/

Every movement you mention in your post to Mamoulian had a clear purpose in mind, they weren't after abstractions they had a goal in mind. Gathering support was crucial to reaching that goal, but gathering support without a clear goal is just a rabble. That's what most people see when they look at SJW; rabblerousers and malcontents who rage towards established notions simply because they think theirs are better. Had they actually used all that publicity to gain some traction on a cause they might had gotten somewhere, yet it seems only the opportunistic made use of the movement's for their own benefit. I have said this before; if they asked for more games geared towards women rather than criticizing (an inherently hostile act) games that are not, they'd have less infamy and probably at the very least a few games exclusively for them. As for my personal opinion on it: I'm currently in debt from one of those college game programs that are nothing more than a con,I 'm taking a series of menial 3D related freelance jobs because there are very few openings in the game industry and it is thought to get into(they ask for experience you cannot get without working in the industry). On my free time I get to work on a game i'm currently trying to develop with some off my former classmates(since they're in the same situation). For years I heard about big name publishers terrible working conditions that drove all the talent away, I saw less game being made because of bloated budgets, corporate practices that were clearly driving the industry to the ground. So my opinion about Feminism complaining about women being misrepresent is simply this:"**** them! You can come and suffer through all this and then make the ****ing game you want. I ain't going through all this **** to please you. Because you clearly didn't give two ****s about game developers before; which I don't have a problem with, they free to do as their like. But now that you want something you're all complain about how it should be given to you. **** those spoiled brats and their entitlement issues!" Sorry about the rant and the cursing, I really needed to get that off my chest and is in no way directed to you and only somewhat related to the topic but it is where I stand. You make some good points based on your personal experiences. And from your perspective and how you have explained what you mean I can't disagree with what you are saying. So that's a good post as I do think the broader point of what you are saying is valid in certain cases and that is "you can't expect someone to be concerned about all aspects of inclusivity when they battling just to get a there initial product off the ground due to the costs and logistics. There are other priorities" The only consideration is a large, established and well resourced company like Ubisoft should be more concerned and want to address perceptions around there games and the reasons they give for certain decisions?

I'm not being cynical, I am just saying what I've observed. Journalist very clearly had something to said about the lack of women in AC or otherwise the question would had never been asked that prompted Ubisoft's response that has caused so much uproar. They could had simply acted maturely about it and never outright claim that Ubisoft is lying, normally that is not something a respectable journalist would do without concrete proof.(but then again games journalism isn't really respectable or journalism) As for the effectiveness of raising issues it can be summarize as this: "If I pretend to give a **** would you shut up?", that's the level of commitment they've gotten from publishers. You've annoyed them into acknowledging you, congratulations all around. As for what they get more right than wrong, all theories sound right until proven. No of course not, I don't want you to say something that you don't believe For me the ideal situation would be for people on these forums to take on objective position on a particular issue, listen to the facts and then decide if its a valid concern that needs to be condemned. That's all anyone can ask or really expect. My problem is I feel some people immediately switch off when a SJ is discussed without even considering if it may be relevant

Yeah, the outrage here is the way Ubisoft shot themselves in the foot and then just continued to saw off the leg. But hey, it's easier to just say "women should just shut the f**** up", so here we are. I'm not saying in any way, shape, or form that is what you have been saying, Calax; but the general message has been distorted in order to just simply rag on them females. OTOH, I get the feeling that journalist were out for blood after seeing that "AC: Unity didn't have no women"(something that could easily be patched in or given as a free DLC) and decided to make them suffer for it. Quite frankly this whole thing (the entire SJW crusade) is just childish and counterproductive, they been at it for years and all they've got to show for it is how many people they've grieved. Or how many grandstanding praise was given for little to nothing done. @ Orog Your cynicism makes me laugh Personally for me if I thought raising issues of SJ was pointless I would stop doing it. But I only see the awareness increasing and companies taking considerations like inclusivity more seriously. Yes I agree sometimes I know my intentions are misplaced but I think the greater cause of SJ gets more things right than wrong Sorry to tell you, but it is in Human nature, that the more you are pointing about some problem, the more they get annoyed when they hear/read about it and just start to completely ignore it... If you want to make people aware, you should be only raising issues about the most serious problems. If you starts to raise issue about it every day, the common populace just stops reading/hearing to you, because their short attention spam will not allow them to focus not even on the biggest issues anymore... Unfortunately the journalist's way how to handle this issue is already for many people at the level, that if there is more negative SJ backlash about content, the more likely they are to purchase that content. We have one proverb in my country: "Priveľa všetkého škodí." (Too much of everything is harmful.) And I think, people in other countries should take an advice from this proverb as well. I hear what you are saying but I have to disagree as the historical facts don't reflect what you are saying. For example look at social justice movements in the past like giving women the vote, the civil rights movement in the USA or Apartheid in South Africa it was only the constant awareness and campaigns that various groups supported that led to the changes in all these types of social injustice And yes I know we are talking about games but on the issue of inclusivity the principle is the same

Good question, I move onto the next issue. Remember Hiro I can't be everywhere at once..I need to spread my efforts to different targets if warranted. Also you don't want to go on and on about the same issue, I found this is unhelpful as people tend to get annoyed to keep getting reminded about something. So the better way is to raise awareness on multiple issues

I have to say this is a very unexpected, but pleasing, result Result is otherwise very good but if it didn't also mean that my bet failed miserably Elerond I am sorry you lost money but gambling is a vice and sin and you shouldn't be doing it, let this be an important lesson going forward !!! Don't worry, I haven't been wrong so far: So TN do you think you are going to get behind your team for the rest of the World Cup, nothing quite like an amazing and unexpected victory to increase that patriotic fervour

Holy Smoke Barti !!!! That's hectic, do you think a virus caused it? Make sure you do a full scan and confirm your definitions are updated

Yeah, the outrage here is the way Ubisoft shot themselves in the foot and then just continued to saw off the leg. But hey, it's easier to just say "women should just shut the f**** up", so here we are. I'm not saying in any way, shape, or form that is what you have been saying, Calax; but the general message has been distorted in order to just simply rag on them females. OTOH, I get the feeling that journalist were out for blood after seeing that "AC: Unity didn't have no women"(something that could easily be patched in or given as a free DLC) and decided to make them suffer for it. Quite frankly this whole thing (the entire SJW crusade) is just childish and counterproductive, they been at it for years and all they've got to show for it is how many people they've grieved. Or how many grandstanding praise was given for little to nothing done. @ Orog Your cynicism makes me laugh Personally for me if I thought raising issues of SJ was pointless I would stop doing it. But I only see the awareness increasing and companies taking considerations like inclusivity more seriously. Yes I agree sometimes I know my intentions are misplaced but I think the greater cause of SJ gets more things right than wrong

I have to say this is a very unexpected, but pleasing, result

Yeah creating carnage on the elephant does look fun. I also like the usage of the crossbow. FC4 looks good, very good

I hear you, I'll be watching the game on and off tonight

Big game tonight for your country against your old enemy of the last world cup final. You must be looking forward to it ?

Also bad press helps to improve things so I see it as constructive if it is valid

Okay that makes sense, I can see from your perspective why you aren't that comfortable playing a game like GTA. For me I enjoy the pseudo- realism of the cities and cultures, like the hilarious radio stations that you can listen to that create a parody of issues that our modern society grapples with. I have heard some of the funniest things I have ever heard in my life on those shows, like Martin talk show that you can tune into

Okay that worries me when someone of your reasonable and modest temperament also says that won't touch the franchise. If you don't mind explaining what are the issue you have with the GTA games?

I'm hard pressed to see how this is an inequality in any way that warrants outrage (putting aside how everyone on the Internet is a Daily Mail reader in terms of that). I guess it's inequality in the game universe where those female NPCs can't be assassins....but that universe doesn't actually exist. Women can play the game and enjoy it for what it is, no ? I always find it interesting when the typical response to some issue of inequality is something like "no need to stress or make a big deal about it, there must be a reason for it. SJW just need to stop making an issue about something that is not an issue" It's a video game, hence "no need to make a big deal about it". If women were being denied jobs IRL based solely on their gender then it would be reason to make a big deal about it. As for the "video games need more female heroes" stance, I don't necessarily disagree, though I'd argue that stabbing people in the neck isn't particularly heroic. As an aside, I really liked the idea of Assassin's Creed: Liberation, in part due to the fact that the protagonist was a woman of color, and seemed like she could be a truly interesting character. It's too bad that game was the very definition of mediocrity. The issue of no female representation in the game is not going to change the situation in Ukraine or address the problem of poverty in Africa, so you guys are spot on in that regard with it not being a big deal But since we are talking about gaming on a gaming website and this issue was raised by numerous prominent websites like Eurogamer and RPS I would say it is a big deal in the gaming world for some people. This of course is subjective but the issue of gender equality is relevant and popular talking point, so if you look at it from that perspective its certainly a big deal. But I ám not suggesting we crucify Ubisoft and boycott there games, all I am saying is this is something they need to pay more attention to

Wow, that's cheeky..very cheeky But you right, the GTA franchise should have a female protagonist. But those games are my guilty pleasure, I am still going to play them. I hope I don't let you down